chimp 299 Posted August 16, 2010 Report Share Posted August 16, 2010 Read the act again. "Livestock" The definition of 'livestock' includes cattle, sheep, goats, swine, horses and poultry. Game birds are not included." If it was any of the above then yes. No mention of hares? Hare coursing is illegal as we all know, thats a different situation different act. Section 5.9 of The Hunting Act 2004. people quite dont get the whole livestock and game bit. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
artic 595 Posted August 16, 2010 Author Report Share Posted August 16, 2010 This has probably been mentioned before in the past, however I feel that all members who are not aware of it should have a quick read and maybe photo copy the act and keep on you at all times to produce to uneducated farmers and game keepers. This morning whilst out with the dogs having their daily excercise I was approahed by a chap in a car. My dogs were off the lead and to heal on a public footpath. This chap who claimed he was the farmers nephew asked me to leash up both dogs as he has pheasants put down in various spinneys. Well I wasn't shocked by his request but a little amazed by his uneducated country law. I politlely asked him where his pheasants were placed , so I will stay away from them. This was only stated as I wanted to remain polite. The chap pointed behind me and said that the keeper has put pheasants over there and will not be too pleased to see me walking the dogs off the lead. Well I laughed and told this chap that the dogs are totally stock trained, however one of them has caught a bird or two whilst out on walks. I also explained parts of the country side act to him that the dogs are not worrrying any livestock and are in total control as he could see. This chap then said "No mate the law states you gotta keep those dogs on leads" I then went on to explain that he has no livestock and that his game birds are not actually classed as livestock. I further informed him that I'm fully aware of the law, and that I'm not going to argue about what is what. I left the chap in his car and walked off. This whole converstaion lasted 3 minutes, short, and to the point. Have a look at this, and stand up for your rights. http://www.naturenet.net/law/dogs.html a man who claims to represent the land owner ask's you to put your dogs on leads , explains why and you answer with that , like ive said before :wankerzo4: :wankerzo4: :wankerzo4: Exactly, "Claims" and also is in the wrong. Gonetoearth, you need to calm down and take 5, it's no good for the blood you know. Answer with that you say??? It's a perfect polite and accurate answer, to a silly request from a boy who knows only an inch of the countryside act, and that is where the pens are located! This boy seems to believe that all dogs must be leashed up on a public footpath because he states "It's the law" LOLOL.... There are no livestock, it is not law to do so in this situation, and we have a boy here trying preach to others something that he does not know about himself. LOLOLOL. You sure it wasn't your friend? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
artic 595 Posted August 16, 2010 Author Report Share Posted August 16, 2010 Read the act again. "Livestock" The definition of 'livestock' includes cattle, sheep, goats, swine, horses and poultry. Game birds are not included." If it was any of the above then yes. No mention of hares? Hare coursing is illegal as we all know, thats a different situation different act. Section 5.9 of The Hunting Act 2004. LOLOLOL, Foxy, I wouldn't bother trying to explain. It's not rocket science..... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WILF 47,353 Posted August 16, 2010 Report Share Posted August 16, 2010 What I dont understand is why you want to be a dick to the bloke when he is telling you in plain English that he has birds down! f**k me it has been hard enough the past couple of years to keep some shoots going, to me your just being a complete twat! Walk your f*****g dogs someplace else. 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Flamin'Nora! 50 Posted August 16, 2010 Report Share Posted August 16, 2010 theres under control and under proper control, who can really predict exactly what their dog will do on every single outing? all it takes is for a poult to pop up in the bushes and even the best trained dog might be tempted. one place I hunt has partridges and pheasants on one half which you have to walk through to get to the rabbity bit, out of respect for the birds and keepers I always put my dog on a lead and walk round the edges as far away from them as possible it saves the dog disturbing them and stops the need for those kind of conversations in the first place Quote Link to post Share on other sites
artic 595 Posted August 16, 2010 Author Report Share Posted August 16, 2010 What I dont understand is why you want to be a dick to the bloke when he is telling you in plain English that he has birds down! f**k me it has been hard enough the past couple of years to keep some shoots going, to me your just being a complete twat! Walk your f*****g dogs someplace else. Wilf, I shoot and work my dogs in a respectable area. I was on permission and on a public footpath (which I didn't have to be on), beside a byway at the time I was approached. This chap did not know who I was and who I knew on the estate, and I have never seen him before. Later the same day I recieve a call from the estate owner (My friend) to appoligise for his nephews behaviour and manner towards me. Now there was no need for the call and the apoligie, but it seems form what I was told by the owner that his nephew since taking a little of reponsibility has done this many a time to people and members of the shoot who were walking their dogs on the estate. I asked the chap where the pens were placed because I knew where every pen was located as I helped in setting them up this year. Where I was confronted, I was no where near any of the pens what so ever. And even if I was, my dogs would not bat an eye lid at them in my presence. So Wilf I'm not being a twat, and will continue to walk my dogs on all of the estate (which is rather large). The reason for my post is, that although some of us have keepers and landowners as friends, it doesn't mean we have to suck up to them! I haven't, and I've managed to keep the same estate and gained others for over 20yrs. You never know who you are talking to, and politeness is always the way WILF........ 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
danw 1,748 Posted August 16, 2010 Report Share Posted August 16, 2010 The lad who stopped you was neither a keeper or landowner so what makes you think that they need educating on the countryside act? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
FoxyWarrior 17 Posted August 16, 2010 Report Share Posted August 16, 2010 The lad who stopped you was neither a keeper or landowner so what makes you think that they need educating on the countryside act? I think he will need it even more so of he has been given some form of responsibility, espeacially if he is talking to members of the public and not telling them the correct information. Have a little think about it. Oh and WILF if that is you in your avatar, then you should feel ashamed showing such a small pair of balls! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
artic 595 Posted August 16, 2010 Author Report Share Posted August 16, 2010 The lad who stopped you was neither a keeper or landowner so what makes you think that they need educating on the countryside act? I think he will need it even more so of he has been given some form of responsibility, espeacially if he is talking to members of the public and not telling them the correct information. Have a little think about it. Oh and WILF if that is you in your avatar, then you should feel ashamed showing such a small pair of balls! There's no need to get personal Foxy, they say the smaller you are the harder you try to please. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Lambert&Butler Posted August 16, 2010 Report Share Posted August 16, 2010 Read the act again. "Livestock" The definition of 'livestock' includes cattle, sheep, goats, swine, horses and poultry. Game birds are not included." If it was any of the above then yes. No mention of hares? Hare coursing is illegal as we all know, thats a different situation different act. Section 5.9 of The Hunting Act 2004. REALLY...omg i had not realised!....And there was me thinking it was rocket science If you read my post AGAIN, i did not mention hares as included as a definition of 'livestock' the hares...... or rabbits, seagulls or pink fookin pixies...anything your heart desires...if it is chased by your dog on land and you are unable to call it off and straight back to heel, your dog is classed as NOT UNDER CONTROL, therefore needs to be leashed. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Matt 160 Posted August 16, 2010 Report Share Posted August 16, 2010 So if a hare jumped up in front of your dogs it would stay to heel and not chase it......i very much doubt it. Therefore your dog is not fully under control and a farmer is perfectly within his rights to shoot your dog. It is always the dogs that suffer because of mans ignorance /bravado. If in doubt keep it leashed! Wrong on all counts. No-one has a legal right to shoot a dog under any circumstances. Occupiers of land have a legal defence if they shoot a dog to stop it worrying livestock. That is not a right. Hares are game, and not livestock, so therefore, there is no legal defence available if a dog is shot while chasing a hare. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Lambert&Butler Posted August 16, 2010 Report Share Posted August 16, 2010 (edited) So if a hare jumped up in front of your dogs it would stay to heel and not chase it......i very much doubt it. Therefore your dog is not fully under control and a farmer is perfectly within his rights to shoot your dog. It is always the dogs that suffer because of mans ignorance /bravado. If in doubt keep it leashed! Wrong on all counts. No-one has a legal right to shoot a dog under any circumstances. Occupiers of land have a legal defence if they shoot a dog to stop it worrying livestock. That is not a right. Never mentioned a 'legal right' Any dog which is not a working dog can be regarded as worrying livestock merely by being off lead and not under close control in a field or enclosure where there are sheep. A landowner could shoot such a dog, if it can be proved that the action was necessary to protect livestock and that it was reported to the police within 48 hours. The dog's owner can then be subject to all the above penalties too - except being shot, of course. So be careful! Hares are game, and not livestock, so therefore, there is no legal defence available if a dog is shot while chasing a hare. Think i must be talking a different language to some of you on here today .... it does not matter if it is chasing a hare or fresh air, the fact that a dog is off lead chasing where livestock are present means the dog is OUT OF CONTROL, therefore should be leashed. Edited August 16, 2010 by Lambert&Butler 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WILF 47,353 Posted August 16, 2010 Report Share Posted August 16, 2010 The reason for my post is, that although some of us have keepers and landowners as friends, it doesn't mean we have to suck up to them! Anyone with half an idea will know that its got exactly f**k all to do with sucking up to anyone, its called having a bit of respect for other lads who work and may earn their livving from the countryside or fieldsports. And I dont know what a "respectable" shooting estate looks like, they are all pretty much of a muchness to me.......you come out with some shite, I will give you that. "Your friend" phoned you to appologise......I bet he did, told you to poke your boring rules and regulations up your arse more like. LOL 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Lambert&Butler Posted August 16, 2010 Report Share Posted August 16, 2010 its called having a bit of respect for other lads who work and may earn their livving from the countryside or fieldsports. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
artic 595 Posted August 16, 2010 Author Report Share Posted August 16, 2010 The reason for my post is, that although some of us have keepers and landowners as friends, it doesn't mean we have to suck up to them! Anyone with half an idea will know that its got exactly f**k all to do with sucking up to anyone, its called having a bit of respect for other lads who work and may earn their livving from the countryside or fieldsports. And I dont know what a "respectable" shooting estate looks like, they are all pretty much of a muchness to me.......you come out with some shite, I will give you that. "Your friend" phoned you to appologise......I bet he did, told you to poke your boring rules and regulations up your arse more like. LOL Wilf, yes my friend. "Friend" the word that you dont understand the meaning of. You continue to act the fool on here, thats all you know I'm sure. Respectable, where not just anybody with money has permission to shoot on the estate. People who are vetted out, people who are trusted, and not to mention what a high reputation the shoot/members have. Something maybe you would wish for, but if your the fool that you are on here in real life then carry on spouting eh..... "Come out with some shite" LOL listen to you! Poor Sod. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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