help needed

[ianh 83]

hello all first post and could do with some advice. have learned a lot reading what you all have to say so thanks already. me and a [bANNED TEXT] av got two young dogs, one bull cross year old next week and a collie whippet few weeks younger. these are our first, he's had terriers and i use to keep retrievers so were ok with the basic training recalls getting there etc.

 

basically we are easing them into lamping first and have been out couple of times, slim pickings slipped the bullx twice last night but didnt connect. collie doesnt6 seem to be getting it yet on the lamp but will chase them big rabbits all day.

 

are we ok taking them out together? only ever slip one at a time but is this a good thing or bad while they still learning? we dont have anyone with a good dog to show us how its done.

 

also when lamping are we best sweeping the whole field (mainly smallish fields) or a bit at a time and how close shall we get before we slip?

 

any help much appreciated ta

[x38 179]

look for a few sqaters ...and let the dog get used to looking down the beam ....if it cant see it it wont run it .......take your time.

[bestdog123 12]

hello all first post and could do with some advice. have learned a lot reading what you all have to say so thanks already. me and a [bANNED TEXT] av got two young dogs, one bull cross year old next week and a collie whippet few weeks younger. these are our first, he's had terriers and i use to keep retrievers so were ok with the basic training recalls getting there etc.

 

basically we are easing them into lamping first and have been out couple of times, slim pickings slipped the bullx twice last night but didnt connect. collie doesnt6 seem to be getting it yet on the lamp but will chase them big rabbits all day.

 

are we ok taking them out together? only ever slip one at a time but is this a good thing or bad while they still learning? we dont have anyone with a good dog to show us how its done.

 

also when lamping are we best sweeping the whole field (mainly smallish fields) or a bit at a time and how close shall we get before we slip?

 

any help much appreciated ta

no taking them out together will do no harm. don't lamp the whole field about 100 yards at a time so you can get as close as you can. loads of easy kill there still young

[ianh 83]

thanks a lot lads, its fast becoming apparent that we need the training more than the dogs. will keep at it and let you know how we get on. cheers again

[Casso 1,261]

hello all first post and could do with some advice. have learned a lot reading what you all have to say so thanks already. me and a [bANNED TEXT] av got two young dogs, one bull cross year old next week and a collie whippet few weeks younger. these are our first, he's had terriers and i use to keep retrievers so were ok with the basic training recalls getting there etc.

 

basically we are easing them into lamping first and have been out couple of times, slim pickings slipped the bullx twice last night but didnt connect. collie doesnt6 seem to be getting it yet on the lamp but will chase them big rabbits all day.

 

are we ok taking them out together? only ever slip one at a time but is this a good thing or bad while they still learning? we dont have anyone with a good dog to show us how its done.

 

also when lamping are we best sweeping the whole field (mainly smallish fields) or a bit at a time and how close shall we get before we slip?

 

any help much appreciated ta

 

The problem you might run in to with both inexperienced dogs is the retrieve, if and when you do catch let your mate hang back a bit , the dog with the bunny might not be inclined to offer up his catch with another dog in attendance until he has the idea sussed, , as far as lamping goes,, give a quick flick, if ya spot anything,knock the lamp off, leave your mate there, walk up on the ditch side of where the bunny was, flick back on , if and only if your close enough , keep the lamp on your target , tell your dog theres a rabbit there, your dog is in such a focused state of mind , he'll pick up on any phrase you use very quickly,use it with every rabbit , But do not let him go until the rabbit bolts ,let him work off movement at the minute, the movement will trigger everything in the dog ,,if there are rabbits out in the middle of the field , dont slip him until you are sure he sighted his quarry, nothing more frustrating than a young dog going one way and rabbit the opposite ,oh and as your rabbit is coming up to the hedge, shake the lamp a little left to right , keeping it on the rabbit at all times , it just may turn him back out into the field and give the mutt an advantage for a split second,,,it,ll happen for ya bud , best of luck,,

[ianh 83]

The problem you might run in to with both inexperienced dogs is the retrieve, if and when you do catch let your mate hang back a bit , the dog with the bunny might not be inclined to offer up his catch with another dog in attendance until he has the idea sussed, , as far as lamping goes,, give a quick flick, if ya spot anything,knock the lamp off, leave your mate there, walk up on the ditch side of where the bunny was, flick back on , if and only if your close enough , keep the lamp on your target , tell your dog theres a rabbit there, your dog is in such a focused state of mind , he'll pick up on any phrase you use very quickly,use it with every rabbit , But do not let him go until the rabbit bolts ,let him work off movement at the minute, the movement will trigger everything in the dog ,,if there are rabbits out in the middle of the field , dont slip him until you are sure he sighted his quarry, nothing more frustrating than a young dog going one way and rabbit the opposite ,oh and as your rabbit is coming up to the hedge, shake the lamp a little left to right , keeping it on the rabbit at all times , it just may turn him back out into the field and give the mutt an advantage for a split second,,,it,ll happen for ya bud , best of luck,,

 

 

cheers mate that sounds like a good tip shaking the lamp. had a very quick wander last night, pretty clear no wind and not much out, let him slip on a bolting sitter around 55 yards, he caught up quick, few turns then hit it, looked like it was a sure thing but he dint seem to want to kill it, was a distance away by this time and not a great view but im sure he just nutted it a couple of times like he was happy to just chase n play [bANNED TEXT] it.

[Casso 1,261]

The problem you might run in to with both inexperienced dogs is the retrieve, if and when you do catch let your mate hang back a bit , the dog with the bunny might not be inclined to offer up his catch with another dog in attendance until he has the idea sussed, , as far as lamping goes,, give a quick flick, if ya spot anything,knock the lamp off, leave your mate there, walk up on the ditch side of where the bunny was, flick back on , if and only if your close enough , keep the lamp on your target , tell your dog theres a rabbit there, your dog is in such a focused state of mind , he'll pick up on any phrase you use very quickly,use it with every rabbit , But do not let him go until the rabbit bolts ,let him work off movement at the minute, the movement will trigger everything in the dog ,,if there are rabbits out in the middle of the field , dont slip him until you are sure he sighted his quarry, nothing more frustrating than a young dog going one way and rabbit the opposite ,oh and as your rabbit is coming up to the hedge, shake the lamp a little left to right , keeping it on the rabbit at all times , it just may turn him back out into the field and give the mutt an advantage for a split second,,,it,ll happen for ya bud , best of luck,,

 

 

cheers mate that sounds like a good tip shaking the lamp. had a very quick wander last night, pretty clear no wind and not much out, let him slip on a bolting sitter around 55 yards, he caught up quick, few turns then hit it, looked like it was a sure thing but he dint seem to want to kill it, was a distance away by this time and not a great view but im sure he just nutted it a couple of times like he was happy to just chase n play [bANNED TEXT] it.

 

 

Dont be too keen to knock the lamp off when the rabbit hits the hedge , sometimes with a thick hedge and a rabbit under pressure , he'll hit the hedge just to escape the dog but it wont be he home hedge , if you get my drift, and can be just sitting inside, a young dog can think its all over at that point, but an aul timer, will be waiting just those few seconds for that sound in the hedge of the bunny making his way through ,and dive in,,had a bitch before who developed a knack for it , ,,I dont bother lamping anymore with little or no wind, found it too frustrating,, best of luck bud,,

[bryson 562]

just stick at it mate it will come good theres some great advice from the lads on here you cant go wrong with that

[ianh 83]

yeah the advice from eveyone is spot on, helping loads. just need to get him to finish the job and actually kill the rabbit now, catches up with them but doesnt seem to strike properly just loves chasing em.

[Paul in North Lincs 15]

take em out together,no problem...... dot run em at the same time though...or you'll end up with dogs with possession problems which will be reluctant to yeild once they've caught..........last thing you want is to be running around a field after your dog has caught...... cos it wont let you near it!!!!

[ianh 83]

cheers mate, we only slip em one at a time so should be okay, i just wish i could take him out with an experienced dog, show him the ropes. ill keep trying though, his day will come

[KittleRox 2,147]

yeah the advice from eveyone is spot on, helping loads. just need to get him to finish the job and actually kill the rabbit now, catches up with them but doesnt seem to strike properly just loves chasing em.

don,t worry about not connecting properly,inexperienced dogs will sometimes try to swipe at the quarry with their paws etc but they soon learn to to get a grip,don,t get frustrated,sounds to me they should be ok just keep at it.atb.

[Jamie m 668]

A guy across the road from me said at night in the garden use a football and a powerfull tourch , he does a lot of lamping , reckons it's a good way to get young dogs used to it