Moslem marriges

[Tesco 28]

Muslim husbands with more than one wife to get extra benefits as ministers recognise polygamy

 

Husbands living in a "harem" with multiple wives have been cleared to claim state benefits for all their different partners.

 

A Muslim man with four spouses - which is permitted under Islamic law - could receive £10,000 a year in income support alone.

 

He could also be entitled to more generous housing and council tax benefit, to reflect the fact his household needs a bigger property.

 

Ministers have decided that, even though bigamy is a crime in Britain, polygamous marriages can be recognised formally by the state - provided they took place overseas, in countries where they are legal.

 

The outcome will chiefly benefit Muslim men with more than one wife.

 

Ministers estimate that up to a thousand polygamous partnerships exist in Britain, although they admit there is no exact record.

 

Potentially, the benefits bill for income support could reach £10m.

 

New guidelines on income support from the Department for Work and Pensions (DWP) state: "Where there is a valid polygamous marriage the claimant and one spouse will be paid the couple rate (£92.).

 

"The amount payable for each additional spouse is presently £33.65."

 

Income support for all of the wives may be paid directly into the husband's bank account, if the family so choose.

 

Chris Grayling, the shadow work and pensions secretary, said that the decision was "completely unjustifiable".

 

He added: "You are not allowed to have multiple marriages in the UK, so to have a situation where the benefits system is treating people in different ways is totally unacceptable and will serve to undermine confidence in the system.

 

"This sets a precedent that will lead to more demands for the culture of other countries to be reflected in UK law and the benefits system."

 

Mr Grayling also accused the Government of trying to keep the ruling quiet because the topic is so controversial.

 

Corin Taylor, research director for the Taxpayers' Alliance, said: "British taxpayers are paying a record amount of tax so the Government has a duty to make sure that every penny is spent properly.

 

"Polygamy is not something which British law allows and therefore British taxpayers should not have to pay for extra benefits for second or third wives.

 

"If other countries sanction polygamy that is fine but the British taxpayer should not have to fund it."

 

Ministers launched a review of the benefit rules for polygamous marriages in November 2006, after it emerged that some families had benefited financially.

 

The review concluded in December last year with agreement that the extra benefits should continue to be paid. But the decision was not publicly announced.

 

Four departments - the Treasury, the DWP, HM Revenue and Customs, and the Home Office - were involved in the review, which concluded that recognising multiple marriages conducted overseas was 'the best possible' option. In Britain, bigamy is punishable by up to seven years in prison.

 

Islamic law permits men to have up to four wives at any one time - known as a harem - provided the husband spends equal amounts of time and money on each of them.

 

The DWP believes the number of people in polygamous marriages entering Britain has fallen since the 1988 Immigration Act, which makes it harder to bring more than one wife to the UK.

 

But, while a married man cannot obtain a spouse visa to bring a second wife into Britain, some multiple partners may be able to enter the country via other legal routes such as tourist visas, student visas or work permits.

 

Officials have also identified a potential loophole by which a man can divorce his wife under British law while continuing to live with her as his spouse under Islamic law, and obtain a spouse visa for a foreign woman who he can legally marry.

 

Immigration rules say entry clearance may not be withheld from a second wife where the husband has divorced his previous wife, and the divorce is thought to be one of convenience.

 

This is so, even if the husband is still living with the previous wife and to issue the entry clearance would lead to the formation of a polygamous household.

 

Muslim couples are only married in the eyes of the British state if they undergo a register office wedding as well as a Nikah, or religious ceremony.

 

Muslim groups say it is quite common for men here to undergo more than one Nikah with different wives. This does not count as bigamy since only the first marriage is legally recognised.

 

A DWP spokesman said: 'There are fewer than 1,000 polygamous marriages in the UK and only a small percentage of these are claiming social security benefit.

 

"We recently reviewed the rules regarding benefit payments to customers in a polygamous marriage, which conclude that the rules in place since 1987 provide the necessary safeguards to ensure there is no financial advantage for claimants in a valid polygamous marriage."

 

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[iamduvern 62]

So whats your point??

[vixen 528]

So whats your point??

 

Oh My God, are you daft?? read the post it says that tax payers money is being handed out to muslims in this country with more than one wife!!!!!!!!!something which our own culture in our own country does not allow??????????

[Ideation 8,216]

Mate tax payers money is getting pissed away on a whole lot of things. . . . . . I don't agree with most things the government spends my cash on!

[iamduvern 62]

So whats your point??

 

Oh My God,   are you daft?? read the post it says that tax payers money is being handed out  to muslims in this country with more than one wife!!!!!!!!!something which our own culture in our own country does not allow??????????

And you believe everything that you read in the newspapers?

 

 

 

[poacher3161 1,766]

Who gives a ff nothings ever going to change so why worry about it.

[Attack Fell Terrier 864]

Mate tax payers money is getting pissed away on a whole lot of things. . . . . . I don't agree with most things the government spends my cash on!

 

They can do no wrong in your eyes can they!

 

You're right in what you say about the government wasting money, but this would be an outrage if it were to happen. A total disgrace don't you think?

[Ideation 8,216]

Mate tax payers money is getting pissed away on a whole lot of things. . . . . . I don't agree with most things the government spends my cash on!

 

They can do no wrong in your eyes can they!

 

You're right in what you say about the government wasting money, but this would be an outrage if it were to happen. A total disgrace don't you think?

 

Actually mate they very much can, but as has been said- this is hardly consequential information. . . . evening standard and all that. If it was to go ahead it would be very wrong, i just think it's interesting how some folk will get very agitated at the thought of wasting tax payers money on that when they should already be agitated about the current wasting of tax payers money on just about everything the government can find to drain money.

[steveS.Yorks 161]

On the same lines but a little different.

 

A muslim man was convicted of drink driving[alcohol is forbidden by islamic law] and the judge didnt ban him because his solicitor said his 2 wives lived in seperate cities and it would make life hard for him travelling between the 2 on public transport and affect his ability to be a father/husband to his 2 seperate families.

 

This happened last year in Scotland,they pick and choose from their religion[cult] when it suits them,and the authorities here are as guilty as they are for allowing/encourageing this behaviour.

 

Their skin colour isnt caused by Melanin,its a coat of Teflon.

[Attack Fell Terrier 864]

Mate tax payers money is getting pissed away on a whole lot of things. . . . . . I don't agree with most things the government spends my cash on!

 

They can do no wrong in your eyes can they!

 

You're right in what you say about the government wasting money, but this would be an outrage if it were to happen. A total disgrace don't you think?

 

Actually mate they very much can, but as has been said- this is hardly consequential information. . . . evening standard and all that. If it was to go ahead it would be very wrong, i just think it's interesting how some folk will get very agitated at the thought of wasting tax payers money on that when they should already be agitated about the current wasting of tax payers money on just about everything the government can find to drain money.

 

The topic wasn't about anything else though, it was about IF a Muslim man was able to claim for more than 1 wife! In your first reply you didn't have anything bad to say about it, but just tried to divert the debate.

 

You've cleared that up now though and I agree with you that it would be very wrong, but I don't agree with "i just think it's interesting how some folk will get very agitated at the thought of wasting tax payers money on that when they should already be agitated about the current wasting of tax payers money on just about everything the government can find to drain money"

 

I think most people are really pissed off with any money that's being wasted by the government, in all honesty.

[poacher3161 1,766]

Who gives a ff nothings ever going to change so why worry about it.

 

come on poacher no need to be so apathetic,things can change if we all just praise jesus

TBH i have stopped careing the last 4 months have changed my outlook on a lot of things and muslims and how they live are the least of my problems as its not going to be one of them who burgels my fekin house wile i am asleep or is turning the street i live on into a fekin shit hole.

[readie 184]

Who gives a ff nothings ever going to change so why worry about it.

 

come on poacher no need to be so apathetic,things can change if we all just praise jesus

TBH i have stopped careing the last 4 months have changed my outlook on a lot of things and muslims and how they live are the least of my problems as its not going to be one of them who burgels my fekin house wile i am asleep or is turning the street i live on into a fekin shit hole.

could be one of the feckers though that blow your family or you up as your travelling to bus or rail stops though.

[Cajunrules 8]

Muslim man and woman coming out of a divorce court, man says: "Don't cry love at least we're still cousins".

[Matt 160]

It will cost less to pay for two married women than one married and one single parent.

 

Think about it...........

 

Personally, I couldn't care less.

[clint 45]

On the same lines but a little different.

 

A muslim man was convicted of drink driving[alcohol is forbidden by islamic law] and the judge didnt ban him because his solicitor said his 2 wives lived in seperate cities and it would make life hard for him travelling between the 2 on public transport and affect his ability to be a father/husband to his 2 seperate families.

 

This happened last year in Scotland,they pick and choose from their religion[cult] when it suits them,and the authorities here are as guilty as they are for allowing/encourageing this behaviour.

 

Their skin colour isnt caused by Melanin,its a coat of Teflon.

Alcohol in 1 drink is forbidden, in tea is ok. I see many moslom drink whisky & brandy , in tea 50/50