best all

[Flamin'Nora! 50]

I can vouch for what benny says being true I walked out with NB and Fury tons of times and this dog would do whatever task you put him to. He tried his best on whatever game got up in front of him, from the humble bunny and pheasant through to fox and deer he worked with the gun, worked with nets, worked off the slip on the lamp and also without the lamp, sounds weird? well NB used to do a quick flick to show the dog where the prey was then switch off and bang it back on again when he thought the dog was about to make contact, as soon as he did the lamp was flicked back off again and seconds later the dog was at his side again with his prey. A proper poachers dog if ever I saw one

[bendrover 556]

I can vouch for what benny says being true I walked out with NB and Fury tons of times and this dog would do whatever task you put him to. He tried his best on whatever game got up in front of him, from the humble bunny and pheasant through to fox and deer he worked with the gun, worked with nets, worked off the slip on the lamp and also without the lamp, sounds weird? well NB used to do a quick flick to show the dog where the prey was then switch off and bang it back on again when he thought the dog was about to make contact, as soon as he did the lamp was flicked back off again and seconds later the dog was at his side again with his prey. A proper poachers dog if ever I saw one

as you say flamin a true all rounder.do you know of anyone with a bad word to say about that dog ask m about j m asking wullie out coursing after the dog had just returned from lamping.2 hours later the dog was on some big land and killed 3 out a 3,he had killed 30 odd rabbits a couple of hours earlier

[camelion 4]

 

 

How many folk have the opportunity to do this though?

 

Everyone!.....if they can be bothered to get off their arse and make the effort

 

 

Exactly my point wilf

[Ideation 8,216]

 

 

How many folk have the opportunity to do this though?

 

Everyone!.....if they can be bothered to get off their arse and make the effort

 

 

Exactly my point wilf

 

Agreed, but most don't. If you are looking for a true all rounder i would say most have never seen one, i don't think i have, not one that has taken all quarry, on all types of land.

[Flamin'Nora! 50]

Wilf makes a good point, of course a lot of it is down to the dog, but the owner has to have the drive to get out there a lot and for the allround ability of the dog to be tested to the max, they have to want to participate in every activity going. In the case of NB and Fury, NB was the type of bloke who would get up at the crack of dawn for a stalk, home for a bit of brekkie then out ferreting coursing or mooching then back out again at night lamping so his drive for hunting coupled with the dogs drive made the perfect team

[dytkos 17,804]

If that dog did that, fair play but for every one like that theres'1000's of "point and shoot" or "get smashed up every time" dogs. Like I said, one trick ponies.

Best regards to the very, very few who have the real deal. I certainly haven't and never had have.

Cheers, D.

[WILF 47,344]

the question is what cross and pics , why do you lot have to turn it in to a argument

 

I dont think anybody is turning this into an argument, there are some really well considered replys to this thread.

 

To me, the thing is, untill you have travelled about the country a little bit and seen a few different dogs run on different ground at all sorts of quarry, then you really dont even know what the mythical "allrounder" should be.

 

I have met loads of clowns who will tell you that their dog is a legend, but the reality is they are out catching leverets in the summer and setting 4 dogs on to a lamped fox etc etc.....never leave their own locality, they kill all the easy stuff and make the rest lampshy.

They will happily reel off the body count to anyone who will listen and belive themselves to have the "allround" killing machine.....nonsense of course.

 

As Dyktos rightly points out, the so called "allrounder" isnt that common, the fact is the people who would truly know if they had one are not that common either.

 

I will never have one, but as long as you can be happy with your results most of the time that will have to be good enough.

 

Bottom line is, when you see the term "allrounder" mentioned, you should allways take it with a very large pinch of salt.

[poacher3161 1,766]

IMHO a dog thats been bred for a veriaty of quarry will never be as good as the purpose bred ones especially the hare coursing dogs but [bANNED TEXT] good fast type coursing dogs are put to other type lurchers very handy dogs can be produced.One i bred 20 years ago by putting a greyhound/saluki to a bitch out of a mix of collie/grey and beddy grey produced dogs that could catch most edible quarry on ground from deep heather moorland to the big rolling land of the yorkshire wolds also the small feilds around parts of s.yorkshire.

[WILF 47,344]

Very nice type Poacher ....looks a powerful animal.

[poacher3161 1,766]

Very nice type Poacher ....looks a powerful animal.

Hes long gone now he was no world beater just a good honest dog but with the different breeds in his make up he could seem to adapt better to different situations and ground than most lurchers i have seen thats been f1x crosses or those with a lot of greyhound in them one of the reasons i always prefer lurcher to lurcher bred types.atb dell

[romany52 313]

When most folk claim to have an allrounder, It's usually a cover for the fact that the dog is mediocre.

[bendrover 556]

Wilf makes a good point, of course a lot of it is down to the dog, but the owner has to have the drive to get out there a lot and for the allround ability of the dog to be tested to the max, they have to want to participate in every activity going. In the case of NB and Fury, NB was the type of bloke who would get up at the crack of dawn for a stalk, home for a bit of brekkie then out ferreting coursing or mooching then back out again at night lamping so his drive for hunting coupled with the dogs drive made the perfect team

[Ideation 8,216]

the question is what cross and pics , why do you lot have to turn it in to a argument

 

That 'argument' as you put it is the answer being figured out. You'd have to be a moron to think there could be an answer like 'o yer of course everyone knows the best all rounder is such and such x' (that's being argumentative).

[carrot cruncher 3]

from 2001 to 2004 i had a saluki ,wippet, grey cros hienze 57 the mother had allsorts in her from years of lurcher to lurcher breeding and was a excelent lamper taking everything legal back then and could also lift the odd daytime hare, now my mate put his daytime dog to her not a fen dog by no means as he was never tried there but i would think he would kill a few but round were we lived he was amazing and the lads came to the thinkng the dog could put that bit more into the mix and it worked. i had a dog out of this litter worked him with the ferrets as he was growing up and worked him on the lamp when he was strong enough to take a fox.. and he did his job well roe fox hare rabbit he could take them in his stride and as for daytime i reguly took 2s and 3s with him he would retrieve what ever i shot while out having a mooch with the airgun he was the best dog i have ever owned... sadly he was run over in the prime of his whilst returning with 10 fags and a loaf of bread from the local corner shop silly dog i tought him to use the traffic lights

[Tom_1997 0]

In my opinion a Beddy/Whippet/Grey is a good allrounder.

My Dog Misty is this breed, We've worked together most of my life and she's always been good on the lamp, bushing, retrieving and general mooching around.

 

This is me and Misty with my new pup Fen.