.17 HMR OR .17 MACH 2

[danebrewer10 6]

When I applied for a 22 rimmie and a 17 rimmie it came back that I could get a 22 rimfire or a 17 magnum .When I queried this I was told that I could only buy a 22lr(the rfd said from the wording I could buy any of the 22 rimmies but the police insisted I was restricted to lr and not wmr etc) and only 17 magnum.So up in strathclyde theve there own set of rules.

 

 

I guess that might be because the HMR, because it is so fast does tend to fragment on hitting the ground, where a more solid .22WMR bullet might bounce, but then .22LR is renowned for bouncing on the ground..... having said that, I did manage to get a ricochet after I missed a rabbit on a ploughed field (with the HMR), must've hot a stone at a very shallow angle.... I think you're only likley to get ricochets on stone or very hard ground either baked clay or frozen ground.... unless others can tell me otherwise...?

I must say that restriction is quite odd though...

Edited August 24, 2010 by danebrewer10

[CUPCAKE118 0]

When I applied for a 22 rimmie and a 17 rimmie it came back that I could get a 22 rimfire or a 17 magnum .When I queried this I was told that I could only buy a 22lr(the rfd said from the wording I could buy any of the 22 rimmies but the police insisted I was restricted to lr and not wmr etc) and only 17 magnum.So up in strathclyde theve there own set of rules.

 

 

yep the plot thickens so to speak!!

[CUPCAKE118 0]

The big day comith FEO is visiting today so make your mind up time !!!!!!!!

[danebrewer10 6]

The big day comith FEO is visiting today so make your mind up time !!!!!!!!

 

HMR chap.....I have had great experiences with it.

[CUPCAKE118 0]

Well i think it went ok!!! got the third degree but i was expecting that anyhow. he didn't say yes but he did say that he was going to put a mentor condition on my .223 section i thought that was fair enought considering i have no center fire experiance. so if he is putting a condition on it!!! i wouldn't have thought he would say that if he were going to refuse me. just the land check to do so i hope thats ok then all should be good with a bit of luck.

 

He didnt tie me down to a chambering. well at anypoint in the interview he didn't say what variation do you want so taking that into consideration no formal specifics were noted down.

 

He also said that if you havent used a specific type then how do you know what one you will get on with, then he went on to say how he could not get on with the .17hmr and found the .17 mach 2 the better allrounder of the .17 cal.

 

so in short i think i am going to be a wild card and stick my flag in the .17 mach 2 camp

[Deker 3,478]

When I applied for a 22 rimmie and a 17 rimmie it came back that I could get a 22 rimfire or a 17 magnum .When I queried this I was told that I could only buy a 22lr(the rfd said from the wording I could buy any of the 22 rimmies but the police insisted I was restricted to lr and not wmr etc) and only 17 magnum.So up in strathclyde theve there own set of rules.

 

 

yep the plot thickens so to speak!!

 

 

We go round and round and round on this one, if your region condition your FAC for .22 Rimfire you can buy .22lr or .22WMR!

 

If they mean, and only want you to have .22lr, then they should condition your FAC for .22lr and NOT .22Rimfire!

[Terryorr 27]

Good reading lads. Over here when you apply for a rifle, you must state the EXACT caliber, ie 22LR 22 MAG etc and the seriel number of the rifle that you want and that is what you get. You pick the rifle you want and you must stick to it. I am just about to apply for my 1st rifle but dont know what caliber. I have shot 100s of 22 lr rounds but not any of the other small calibers. I will choose between 22lr 22mag or 17hmr. My mate has an excellent 22mag complete with scope and silencer for £250, I would think this would be an excellent buy but I have heard from others these are crap rifles. I would beg to differ. What are your views.

[Deker 3,478]

Good reading lads. Over here when you apply for a rifle, you must state the EXACT caliber, ie 22LR 22 MAG etc and the seriel number of the rifle that you want and that is what you get. You pick the rifle you want and you must stick to it. I am just about to apply for my 1st rifle but dont know what caliber. I have shot 100s of 22 lr rounds but not any of the other small calibers. I will choose between 22lr 22mag or 17hmr. My mate has an excellent 22mag complete with scope and silencer for £250, I would think this would be an excellent buy but I have heard from others these are crap rifles. I would beg to differ. What are your views.

 

 

It's a subjective view, the obvious response is why are they crap rifles?

 

The WMR hits harder than a HMR and makes a bigger hole doing more damage, there are several ballistic tip rounds available and they fly very fast and flat and accurately. They are very close in accuracy to a HMR, (Take a look at CCI, http://www.cci-ammunition.com/) and compare HMR and WMR equivalents, and the WMR ammo tends to be slightly cheaper than HMR. I find them more useful on several quarry than a HMR.

 

But then I have a .22lr, .17HMR and a .22WMR to select from!

[Terryorr 27]

The problem I have pal is I,m not that clued up in HMR/WMR. I saw my mate shoot the 22mag one night at a rabbit and I was totally impressed, the speed and impact was unbelievable. Others say it is an in between rifle, in other words too powerful for small game but not powerful enough for a fox. What do you think pal.

[CUPCAKE118 0]

The problem I have pal is I,m not that clued up in HMR/WMR. I saw my mate shoot the 22mag one night at a rabbit and I was totally impressed, the speed and impact was unbelievable. Others say it is an in between rifle, in other words too powerful for small game but not powerful enough for a fox. What do you think pal.

 

 

I don't believe in it myself but over here people are banging fox with .17hmr it will do the job but there is alot of room for error in my book its just not the done thing .22 hornet min for me!!!!!!

 

in a nut shell i am saying that .17 hmr will do both rabbit and fox but its not my idea of a foxing cal.

 

ATB Tony

[Terryorr 27]

I totally agree mate, my opinion for a fox only rifle would be .222 up. I think I,ll start with the little .22lr for smaller game to start with

[danebrewer10 6]

as ever, .17 is not a foxing calibre straight off, it is good, as are the other rimfire rounds, for the odd oppotrunistic fox, but within the calibre limitations.

[Deker 3,478]

The problem I have pal is I,m not that clued up in HMR/WMR. I saw my mate shoot the 22mag one night at a rabbit and I was totally impressed, the speed and impact was unbelievable. Others say it is an in between rifle, in other words too powerful for small game but not powerful enough for a fox. What do you think pal.

 

 

IF you have to chose one rifle for fox the I would probably suggets a Hornet or above.

 

Fortunately I don't. I have 7 FAC tools ALL conditioned for Fox including .22lr, .17HMR and .22WMR.

 

These are ALL very competant in stopping dead a fox in the right circumstances and I have a lot of call to use them in all circumstances from peoples back gardens to, barns, stables etc etc.

 

Blanket statements that these are not up to fox is down to circumstances and experiene and not true.

 

50 yard baited fox next to a hotel garden and pond and 20 yards from drinkers in the garden!

 

.17HMR between the eyes...

 

The WMR is even more of a stopper and the .22lr also has it's place!

Edited September 12, 2010 by Deker

[Terryorr 27]

Good reading pal, CHEERS

[matt_hooks 188]

Who are these people saying that the WMR isn't enough round for fox? They obviously don't know what they are talking about! The WMR boasts over 300 ft.lb of energy, is very accurate in the right hands, and will take foxes with aplomb, as long as the user is sensible. Of course, if you want to shoot foxes out beyond 200 yards, then the WMR isn't a good choice of round, though it will probably still do the job. However, if all your foxing is in closer than 100 yards then the WMR will do the job admirably, and cheaply too. If foxy is closer than about 40 yards then a .22LR is plenty of rifle for the job if well placed. I've dispatched fox with a 12 ft.lb air rifle, at three feet range, where they have been injured by other peoples badly placed snares and it was the only tool to hand.

 

The .17 HMR is a good long range varminting tool, but carries less down range energy than the .22WMR, and yet the same people who condemn the WMR are happy to shoot foxes at extended range with the .17!

 

I still say that the .17 mach 2 holds no advantage over the .17HMR, and has several disadvantages, but it's personal preference that must decide these things.

 

As an aside, someone says that it's down to the FEO. This used to be true, but these days they have very little actual say in the issue or otherwise of a certificate. They are there to gather the information for people at HQ who make the decisions. THey can make recommendations, but that doesn't mean that's what will happen.