.17 HMR OR .17 MACH 2

[danebrewer10 6]

I can't see the point in the Mach2, it seems they created the HMR with the WMR case and thought, "hmmm I wonder what we can do with the .22LR"... I don't think it does anything the .22LR can't, it just does it a bit faster I think and with more wind drift.... go with the HMR.... as for the sound mod? yes it does have to be listed on your certificate that you will be using the rifle with a mod.

 

DB

[CUPCAKE118 0]

well i brought it up about the .17 HMR and .17 M2 because the guy down the range gave a good case for the M2 round.

i will see if i can get some time down the range and use both to give me a better idea of the facts.

[Deker 3,478]

Getting back to the .17 debate, the only advantage of the Mach2 is that ammo is cheaper than the HMR, hardly the way to select a rifle!

 

I run a .22lr, .17HMR and .22WMR, I have a use for them all, but so far I have not found any situation where I needed a Mach2.

 

 

The OP's question was regarding whether to apply for one or the other. I'm fairly sure you can have either on the ticket with a .17 calibre conditioned.

 

Unfortunately this is down to the region you live it, it shouldn't be, no consistancy around the country, some areas may allow, but others most definately will not...DAFT!!

[bigears 205]

hi mate i have owned a 17hmr could not get it to group tryed diffrent scopes, mounts and ammo still no joy, i now have a 17mach2 the best move that i made very accuert, just make sure you can get ammo for one first (£5 for 50 ) the mach2 is the ultermert rabbit round, i also have a 22rf as for your FAC you will need to state 17mach2 or 17hmr

[matt_hooks 188]

hi mate i have owned a 17hmr could not get it to group tryed diffrent scopes, mounts and ammo still no joy, i now have a 17mach2 the best move that i made very accuert, just make sure you can get ammo for one first (£5 for 50 ) the mach2 is the ultermert rabbit round, i also have a 22rf as for your FAC you will need to state 17mach2 or 17hmr

 

Let's put it this way. You SHOULDN'T have to specify the chamber, only the caliber. That's all it asks for on the form. Speak to BASC about it. My FEO told me specifically that under a .22 I could hold ANY .22rf calibre round, so .22 short, .22 long, .22LR and .22wmr. The .17 calibres are similar, .17rf rounds.

 

Some forces might try and limit it, don't let them!

[danebrewer10 6]

hi mate i have owned a 17hmr could not get it to group tryed diffrent scopes, mounts and ammo still no joy, i now have a 17mach2 the best move that i made very accuert, just make sure you can get ammo for one first (£5 for 50 ) the mach2 is the ultermert rabbit round, i also have a 22rf as for your FAC you will need to state 17mach2 or 17hmr

 

aye same here, I had to stipulate .17 HMR, it's like stating a 6.5mm calibre and getting the choice of a.25-06 or a 6.5x55 or a .308 cal and you getting the option of a .308win or a .300WM!

perhaps a silly example, but not too far removed.....

 

DB

[matt_hooks 188]

The 25-06 and the 6.5x55 are different calibres, as are 300 and .308. The .17 is a .17 no matter which case it's driven from.

 

As someone said, it depends on the area, but it shouldn't!

[Deker 3,478]

hi mate i have owned a 17hmr could not get it to group tryed diffrent scopes, mounts and ammo still no joy, i now have a 17mach2 the best move that i made very accuert, just make sure you can get ammo for one first (£5 for 50 ) the mach2 is the ultermert rabbit round, i also have a 22rf as for your FAC you will need to state 17mach2 or 17hmr

 

Let's put it this way. You SHOULDN'T have to specify the chamber, only the caliber. That's all it asks for on the form. Speak to BASC about it. My FEO told me specifically that under a .22 I could hold ANY .22rf calibre round, so .22 short, .22 long, .22LR and .22wmr. The .17 calibres are similar, .17rf rounds.

 

Some forces might try and limit it, don't let them!

 

There is still an arguement to say does it matter, if you can't make your mind up when you apply, and then buy one, you are stuffed, you will need a variation for the next anyway.

 

The fact is you are meant to justify by reason every calibre, a .22lr and .22WMR and a .17 Mach2 and .17HMR are different, how can you justify that by saying .22 or .17........

 

I know what you are saying but the reality of the licencing system is flawed.

 

That is another reason we need a big review of the whole FAC system!!

 

ATB!

Edited August 10, 2010 by Deker

[matt_hooks 188]

Agreed Deker, highly flawed. The worry is that by "overhaul" the government will actually mean "massive tightening so that it's almost impossible to jump through the necessary hoops to hold a rifle".

 

It's pretty difficult now, and it doesn't help with the police being able to set whatever arbitrary condition they feel like with no right of appeal.

[Lewdan 17]

hi mate i have owned a 17hmr could not get it to group tryed diffrent scopes, mounts and ammo still no joy, i now have a 17mach2 the best move that i made very accuert, just make sure you can get ammo for one first (£5 for 50 ) the mach2 is the ultermert rabbit round, i also have a 22rf as for your FAC you will need to state 17mach2 or 17hmr

 

Let's put it this way. You SHOULDN'T have to specify the chamber, only the caliber. That's all it asks for on the form. Speak to BASC about it. My FEO told me specifically that under a .22 I could hold ANY .22rf calibre round, so .22 short, .22 long, .22LR and .22wmr. The .17 calibres are similar, .17rf rounds.

 

Some forces might try and limit it, don't let them!

 

There is still an arguement to say does it matter, if you can't make your mind up when you apply, and then buy one, you are stuffed, you will need a variation for the next anyway.

 

The fact is you are meant to justify by reason every calibre, a .22lr and .22WMR and a .17 Mach2 and .17HMR are different, how can you justify that by saying .22 or .17........

 

I know what you are saying but the reality of the licencing system is flawed.

 

That is another reason we need a big review of the whole FAC system!!

 

ATB!

I agree with Deker on this, but surely with the .17cal the type required would have to be stated to allow correct ammunition to be purchased, in these cases they are not interchangable.

LD

[matt_hooks 188]

I agree with Deker on this, but surely with the .17cal the type required would have to be stated to allow correct ammunition to be purchased, in these cases they are not interchangable.

LD

 

WMR and LR are not interchangeable in .22 either, and yet either can be held on a .22rf slot! Granted short and long CAN be fired from a .22LR, but it's not a great idea!

[danebrewer10 6]

The 25-06 and the 6.5x55 are different calibres, as are 300 and .308. The .17 is a .17 no matter which case it's driven from.

 

As someone said, it depends on the area, but it shouldn't!

 

not really, Yup I messed up on the first example, they are slightly different, but the .300WM and the .308 Win, both use a .308 calibre bullet, as do the .17 HMR and the .17 HM2 a better 6.5mm example would be the 6.5x55 swede, 6.5 grendel or 6.5 creedmoor, or for 7mm, 7x57, 7mm-08 or 7mm Rem Mag or even the 7mm rem ultra mag (you get the idea) , these rounds are very different, more different from each other than the .17 HMR and .17 HM2 are from each other, but I was just trying to demonstrate the principle, yes, albeit by exaggerating

 

 

DB

 

long and the short of the thread, I think is that one should state the calibre exactly on the form to avoid any confusion and possible infringements.

[CUPCAKE118 0]

The 25-06 and the 6.5x55 are different calibres, as are 300 and .308. The .17 is a .17 no matter which case it's driven from.

 

As someone said, it depends on the area, but it shouldn't!

 

not really, Yup I messed up on the first example, they are slightly different, but the .300WM and the .308 Win, both use a .308 calibre bullet, as do the .17 HMR and the .17 HM2 a better 6.5mm example would be the 6.5x55 swede, 6.5 grendel or 6.5 creedmoor, or for 7mm, 7x57, 7mm-08 or 7mm Rem Mag or even the 7mm rem ultra mag (you get the idea) , these rounds are very different, more different from each other than the .17 HMR and .17 HM2 are from each other, but I was just trying to demonstrate the principle, yes, albeit by exaggerating

 

 

DB

 

long and the short of the thread, I think is that one should state the calibre exactly on the form to avoid any confusion and possible infringements.

 

See what your getting at application form needs a bit of an overhaul then! it was my first time appling and i filled it in with the answers that it asked.

[CUPCAKE118 0]

This can also be extended to incorperate that there is no information regarding Mods being included in the application process its known that you have to apply for them as if they were a firearm but there is no information saying so in the application form documents. I found out after i sent off my application and i thought that i had gathered all the application data from friends and this site that i needed to complete it correctly.

 

o well we live and learn good thing is that i was speaking to my local gun shop and it turns out that the local FEO is keen on the .17 MACH 2 round and if i had put .17hmr this option my have been closed to me.

 

Again its going back to the depends where you are, who you get as your FEO and if they got out of the bed the right side!!!!!!!!!!

[hw100sniper 2]

When I applied for a 22 rimmie and a 17 rimmie it came back that I could get a 22 rimfire or a 17 magnum .When I queried this I was told that I could only buy a 22lr(the rfd said from the wording I could buy any of the 22 rimmies but the police insisted I was restricted to lr and not wmr etc) and only 17 magnum.So up in strathclyde theve there own set of rules.