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[Guest stewie]

f*****g hell . . . . . someone been taking roids or something? Why all the aggression? No matter how much you train a dog and how well trained it is at one time - two years is a long time and a lot of things can get broken down over that time. a 12 month old dog is still very young. Stewie - you give me a dog that you have made 100% stock broken at 12 months old and i could have it killing sheep within a short space of time if desired. It's a dog.

lol the voice of reason shows up again!!! my bitch is 100% stock broken and ive got the video to prove it i cant be arsed to put it up now as im up at 6 but watch this space ill post it tomorrow

[Guest fence_hopper]

A bit harsh that........the dog was only 12 months when it went to someone else so it was up to them to keep that training going, sounds like they didn't

so you wouldnt expect a lab to be fully stock broke by 12 months??? mine are round stock from day one to learn the difference of right and wrong and what to hunt or not its basic stockmanship rfyl ive got no sympathy for you i just feel sorry for the dog that you failed to train properly and died as YOU f****d UP

I wouldn't expect any dog to be full trained by 12 months....i dont start any serious training till 9 months. Dogs should be allowed there puppy years. Granted i dont train running dogs and there time scale may differ'..? You would be completely 100% sure that if you gave a dog away at 12 months that it would never look at livestock, doubt it mate

I reckon in the wrong hands a dog at that age could soon change its ways!!

 

 

stick to your labs you div. you can train a lurcher pup to retrieve from 6 weeks old, you stick to yours and we'll stick to ours

Must be my turn tonight then is it...........get tae f**k

 

 

you need to shut up coming on peoples threads dissing. i think you and stewie should kiss and make up, and let the thread get back on track....

[Ideation 8,216]

f*****g hell . . . . . someone been taking roids or something? Why all the aggression? No matter how much you train a dog and how well trained it is at one time - two years is a long time and a lot of things can get broken down over that time. a 12 month old dog is still very young. Stewie - you give me a dog that you have made 100% stock broken at 12 months old and i could have it killing sheep within a short space of time if desired. It's a dog.

lol the voice of reason shows up again!!! my bitch is 100% stock broken and ive got the video to prove it i cant be arsed to put it up now as im up at 6 but watch this space ill post it tomorrow

 

 

Aye mate - thats not what i'm saying. What i meant was you can take a dog that IS 100% stock broken and then in two years (and really a lot less time) f**k it right up and turn it into a stock killer. That is what sounds like has gone on here - rather than a basic lack of training. A dog is never 100% anything forever. There are dogs that are 100% people broken that have bitten/killed people.

[gonetoearth 5,144]

A bit harsh that........the dog was only 12 months when it went to someone else so it was up to them to keep that training going, sounds like they didn't

so you wouldnt expect a lab to be fully stock broke by 12 months??? mine are round stock from day one to learn the difference of right and wrong and what to hunt or not its basic stockmanship rfyl ive got no sympathy for you i just feel sorry for the dog that you failed to train properly and died as YOU f****d UP

I wouldn't expect any dog to be full trained by 12 months....i dont start any serious training till 9 months. Dogs should be allowed there puppy years. Granted i dont train running dogs and there time scale may differ'..? You would be completely 100% sure that if you gave a dog away at 12 months that it would never look at livestock, doubt it mate

I reckon in the wrong hands a dog at that age could soon change its ways!!

lol i never said fully trained did i!!! stock breaking is the 1st thing you teach any dog imo and so easily done and yes if i gave a dog away at 12 months (which i wouldnt!!) then it would be stock broke its basic school boy stuff that true dog men class as standard a lab could be took out as a picking up dog in training at 12 months if it coincides with the season and one that isnt stock broke would be a fecking nightmare

Stock breaking wouldn't even enter a lab trainers mind mate, its not in them to chase. If there was a problem then yes it would be dealt with. I will be taking my to young pups to the picking up this season for a look and maybe a few easy retrieves as they have been doing it with ease for months now.

Do you think when a lurcher is trained correctly it will not change its ways in the hands of others. Cheers for keeping it friendly mate(unlike others), its good to learn new stuff

any dog will kill sheep if not stock broken and deep down you know it!!!! labs are as game as a bull cross for killing sheep if not brought up correctly its just getting the balance right that makes the difference. labs in the wrong hands are as much of a fecking liabilty as a lurcher is in the wrong hands

Agree that any dog can be trained to chase and kill livestock mate but what i am saying is its not needed when training a lab. A lurcher is trained to chase and instincts kick in, obviously why they need stern training in livestock. The reason i asked you about the dog changing its ways as i've seen it lots of times in the lab world. Somebody buys a fully trained dog and has it f****d in a few months, useless b*****ds in my book.

lol never mentioned dogs being trained to kill live stock mate same instincts can easily kick in with a lab!!! my bull cross wont even look at sheep but can see where this thread is going so

stew the lad had problems with a bull cross that had killed sheep any dog that kills sheep is only going one way in the ground , he made the right move labs killing sheep , most gundogs labs that is are trained not to chase anything that urge is there yes but a gun dog that runs in is no good to no one

as i read it he made the right call but that only my opinion

[Lab 10,979]

A bit harsh that........the dog was only 12 months when it went to someone else so it was up to them to keep that training going, sounds like they didn't

so you wouldnt expect a lab to be fully stock broke by 12 months??? mine are round stock from day one to learn the difference of right and wrong and what to hunt or not its basic stockmanship rfyl ive got no sympathy for you i just feel sorry for the dog that you failed to train properly and died as YOU f****d UP

I wouldn't expect any dog to be full trained by 12 months....i dont start any serious training till 9 months. Dogs should be allowed there puppy years. Granted i dont train running dogs and there time scale may differ'..? You would be completely 100% sure that if you gave a dog away at 12 months that it would never look at livestock, doubt it mate

I reckon in the wrong hands a dog at that age could soon change its ways!!

lol i never said fully trained did i!!! stock breaking is the 1st thing you teach any dog imo and so easily done and yes if i gave a dog away at 12 months (which i wouldnt!!) then it would be stock broke its basic school boy stuff that true dog men class as standard a lab could be took out as a picking up dog in training at 12 months if it coincides with the season and one that isnt stock broke would be a fecking nightmare

Stock breaking wouldn't even enter a lab trainers mind mate, its not in them to chase. If there was a problem then yes it would be dealt with. I will be taking my to young pups to the picking up this season for a look and maybe a few easy retrieves as they have been doing it with ease for months now.

Do you think when a lurcher is trained correctly it will not change its ways in the hands of others. Cheers for keeping it friendly mate(unlike others), its good to learn new stuff

any dog will kill sheep if not stock broken and deep down you know it!!!! labs are as game as a bull cross for killing sheep if not brought up correctly its just getting the balance right that makes the difference. labs in the wrong hands are as much of a fecking liabilty as a lurcher is in the wrong hands

Agree that any dog can be trained to chase and kill livestock mate but what i am saying is its not needed when training a lab. A lurcher is trained to chase and instincts kick in, obviously why they need stern training in livestock. The reason i asked you about the dog changing its ways as i've seen it lots of times in the lab world. Somebody buys a fully trained dog and has it f****d in a few months, useless b*****ds in my book.

lol never mentioned dogs being trained to kill live stock mate same instincts can easily kick in with a lab!!! my bull cross wont even look at sheep but can see where this thread is going so

Neither can i...... .............missed out not in the 1st sentence... al get that edited tho'

[Lab 10,979]

A bit harsh that........the dog was only 12 months when it went to someone else so it was up to them to keep that training going, sounds like they didn't

so you wouldnt expect a lab to be fully stock broke by 12 months??? mine are round stock from day one to learn the difference of right and wrong and what to hunt or not its basic stockmanship rfyl ive got no sympathy for you i just feel sorry for the dog that you failed to train properly and died as YOU f****d UP

I wouldn't expect any dog to be full trained by 12 months....i dont start any serious training till 9 months. Dogs should be allowed there puppy years. Granted i dont train running dogs and there time scale may differ'..? You would be completely 100% sure that if you gave a dog away at 12 months that it would never look at livestock, doubt it mate

I reckon in the wrong hands a dog at that age could soon change its ways!!

 

 

stick to your labs you div. you can train a lurcher pup to retrieve from 6 weeks old, you stick to yours and we'll stick to ours

Must be my turn tonight then is it...........get tae f**k

 

 

you need to shut up coming on peoples threads dissing. i think you and stewie should kiss and make up, and let the thread get back on track....

Who did i diss like....? Not stewie anyway....just thought he was a bit harsh thats all. Asked a question and stewie tried to answer it. Which i respect fully. Didn't really like your tone so thats why you got your reply.

[Guest fence_hopper]

bit harsh not..be safe than sorry yes..he did the right thing

 

its a bullx not a pet a dog with alot of power, think about it.

 

your an arguementitive c**t lab-spastic.

[Lab 10,979]

bit harsh not..be safe than sorry yes..he did the right thing

 

its a bullx not a pet a dog with alot of power, think about it.

 

your an arguementitive c**t lab-spastic.

WTF are you on about space hopper. You sticking up for RYFL or stewie..? Dont think you know your self

[lofti 579]

Bronco was a bullx 3/8 5/8. We got him at the same time as we got the saluikx... He never really got going till he was about 12mth old but when he did, he became a useful "tool" in every sense. He was great on larger stuff, and was also a lovely pleasant dog to have around.... I did all the training from when he was about 12 weeks right through till he was about 12months.. Then my then partner(DOGGING) got Billy the 28" bullx and took them both away to live on a farm..

 

I could see it going down hill from here on in. And they only ever went out after dark. Ok, thats what bronco was good at. Then the walking slowed down and he was kennelLed a hell of alot.... And moved about... i tryed to rehome him a few times, even loftie off here had a go at him, but his recall had failed and he would chuck a deaf one, we both agreed he wasnt the dog for loftie....

 

The story comes to abrupt end, when last week he nailed 2 sheep, then another 2 of sunday, this was he last outing. As he was taken to the farm were he was put to sleep....

 

He had gone to far. But to me it wasnt his fault. The dog had gone stare crazy, not been run, walked and was only venting frustration and wanted to kill, like any lurcher.. The training had all but gone, and he had in no time become an unruley dog... I was gutted and still am, so is loftie his missus and my missus as he was a real dog at one time, he would have been 3 in november, so he had a short and troubled life... Lurchers must be treated with respect, and the faith they have in other is se3cond to none... When they are gone it is to late.... RIP BRONCO...

i think you should sort yourself out mate stock breaking is f*****g simple and standard to any lurcherman you failed the dog and its your fault it if you cared about the dog you would of made sure it never come to this you should be ashamed of yourself and give up dogs as if you have not completely stock broke a dog in 9 months of training you obviously know f**k all :no: RIP bronco shame you ended up with a clown :doh:

 

yes stewie it is simple!

And the dog was broke to stock at an early age by RFYL and was worked around sheep with no problem till he was

one year old ,the dog was brought on well and never a worry .After that RFYL kept the salukix and his pal took Bronco,

he was kept on a farm for 2 years only took out at night as this is his pals way of hunting.

in november last year i had Bronco in my yard at home on a trial ,i worked the dog and he caught quite a bit of game he was not concered with sheep

and were i go there is loads,he never looked at them, wasnt botherd.

 

I just couldnt gel with him and relized i wanted a pup that i could bring on myself.

i was shocked to here he had been PTS and the resons for it .

somthing happend in that dogs head ,through lack of being worked right.

im not shure what it was but one thing i do know that it wasnt RFYLs fault.

[lofti 579]

A bit harsh that........the dog was only 12 months when it went to someone else so it was up to them to keep that training going, sounds like they didn't

so you wouldnt expect a lab to be fully stock broke by 12 months??? mine are round stock from day one to learn the difference of right and wrong and what to hunt or not its basic stockmanship rfyl ive got no sympathy for you i just feel sorry for the dog that you failed to train properly and died as YOU f****d UP

I wouldn't expect any dog to be full trained by 12 months....i dont start any serious training till 9 months. Dogs should be allowed there puppy years. Granted i dont train running dogs and there time scale may differ'..? You would be completely 100% sure that if you gave a dog away at 12 months that it would never look at livestock, doubt it mate

I reckon in the wrong hands a dog at that age could soon change its ways!!

 

that last line is very true mate and this is proof:thumbs: .

[runforyourlife 361]

Thanks lads for your words. I wasnt looking for symphathy. Was purely pointing out how things can change....

 

 

Stewie, each to there own pal. this is what you think then fair enough. My dogs are well respected in the area of my home, and work for nearly every farmer in the valley. Not going to start explaining myself to you. Obviously something angered you, especially after we had talked in private and you invited me to your new site. All i can say mate is "never ever call me a clown"....Atb Russ.

[Guest stewie]

Thanks lads for your words. I wasnt looking for symphathy. Was purely pointing out how things can change....

 

 

Stewie, each to there own pal. this is what you think then fair enough. My dogs are well respected in the area of my home, and work for nearly every farmer in the valley. Not going to start explaining myself to you. Obviously something angered you, especially after we had talked in private and you invited me to your new site. All i can say mate is "never ever call me a clown"....Atb Russ.

i wasnt calling you a clown at all i meant the lad who the dog ended up with and maybe i was a bit harsh but you shouldnt of gave the dog away to someone like that or made sure it was bomb proof around stock thats what angered me such a shame to see a nice dog like that get put down over something that could easily been avoided.

[dirty twister 31]

only just seen this thread russ mate sorry to hear about it

[Ideation 8,216]

Thanks lads for your words. I wasnt looking for symphathy. Was purely pointing out how things can change....

 

 

Stewie, each to there own pal. this is what you think then fair enough. My dogs are well respected in the area of my home, and work for nearly every farmer in the valley. Not going to start explaining myself to you. Obviously something angered you, especially after we had talked in private and you invited me to your new site. All i can say mate is "never ever call me a clown"....Atb Russ.

i wasnt calling you a clown at all i meant the lad who the dog ended up with and maybe i was a bit harsh but you shouldnt of gave the dog away to someone like that or made sure it was bomb proof around stock thats what angered me such a shame to see a nice dog like that get put down over something that could easily been avoided.

 

'i think YOU should sort YOURSELF out mate stock breaking is f*****g simple and standard to any lurcherman YOU failed the dog and its YOUR fault it if YOU cared about the dog YOU would of made sure it never come to this YOU should be ashamed of YOURSELF and give up dogs as if YOU have not completely stock broke a dog in 9 months of training YOU obviously know f**k all RIP bronco shame you ended up with a clown '

 

. . . . a BIT harsh?

[greg64 2,818]

if the dog had two sheep earlier in the week why was it let out or off its lead in the vacinity of any livestock on the sunday