NUTTALL THE DIVIDING LINE??

[donnyc 1,203]

Only talking about you last night LOL.were your ears burning??

[Guest busterdog]

Only talking about you last night LOL.were your ears burning??

 

 

Hope it was all good, don't know about you mate but i'm sick of vegetating, roll on Winter.

[donnyc 1,203]

Only talking about you last night LOL.were your ears burning??

 

 

Hope it was all good, don't know about you mate but i'm sick of vegetating, roll on Winter.

Well we start in three weeks so not too bad..Ive been fecked for a month though after an op ..Still not right ..Not recomended..Too old to be honest but its a disease

[busher 145]

"if you could get 4 or 5 times the amount for a pup by selling in america then you would,thats human nature"

 

Wirral Countryman, the working terrier is lucky there are still folk who put working ability & sustainability of their decent lines of terrier above making a profit. Nuttall did produce good working terriers but as soon as he started breeding for the American market his reputation took a dive. It is a shame he didn't continue in the way Breay/Buck did who strived for working ability in producing the dogs in the first place. Parks dogs were descended from the same stuff but he went the opposite way to Nuttall & his reputation/dogs speak for themselves. Nuttalls were easily available aslong as you could afford to pay for one, Parks were not as easy to get hold of. I think this alone proves the point that money ruins dogs

 

And THAT is the dividing line!

well seid..

[Guest AngelicAcid]

Back to the original question, was miner a big part in this line, the seperation of the old and new?

[CorkyJohn 808]

Brian has gotten old now so can't dig himself anymore,its a shame to hear him talked about in this way,some year's back when he was struggling to get out regular and work his dogs, my mate and I would run a few on for him,he'd give us a dog about 9mths- 1yr old for us to start,once they were staying and dug to we would exchange them for another,never had a bad one or one that wouldn't go,if anything they could be too hard for the work we were doing,he was doing a lot in america at the time and getting good money for them,like all big names he runs a few lines and the proper good stuff only went to close friends and known people,if you could get 4 or 5 times the amount for a pup by selling in america then you would,thats human nature,I've never known the man to be anything other than a gentleman and good company to boot,took his share on the shovel at 70 odd years of age and you can't say there's many would do that,I have'nt seen or spoke to him for a good few year's now and as regards his terrier's now all I can say is if you don't test your dogs regular then you will not know their capabilities or limits,we all get old,he has had a lifetime of dog's and I for 1 hope I'm still getting out and about at his age,I would suspect he will still have the proper blood somewhere,its just not available to all and sundry,YIS,wirralman

well said mate, it seems to me anybody who has a name for themselfs will get ridiculed on this site, i dont personaly use todays nuttal stuff in my fells but a few generations back i used my fell dog over a half bred nuttal bitch and kept a pup they have no resemblance to the nuttals of today. the dogs out of this all worked hard, bred some of my best dogs out of this line.

He has a name for a reason i.e he USED to breed good dogs UNTIL he started breeding for the American market. This to most folks means he is a peddler & there is no point in defending this unless you agree with peddling pups. I can't see how you breeding 1/4 Nuttall pups has any bearing on the argument, after all there isn't much Nuttall in them. Then again, did your breeding improve the Nuttall side or the Nuttall improve your breeding Mr Rabbit Dogs?

[Scruffy 6]

Brian nuttall was on to a good thing had a good reliable line of working terriers bred from some of the best stuff about at the time and lost sight of what he had and went for the ££££££££s FACT hes churned out more pups than mcdonalds have big macs its abit hard to respect someone when they went the way he did and still the americans lap his stuff up lol

Theres still a lot of "Nuttall" round my way and none of em go for mega bucks. maybe they are only "diluted" dogs.

Never see em work but you hear their owners tell everyone one how good they are. They must be cos a lad in our village as got one about 5 year old without a mark on it!!!

[GROCKLE 55]

Mr nuttal aint the only name making a shilling on his dogs yet he seems to get all the crap. A peddler is a peddler and there are a few "names" both young and old making ££££££££££££££££££££'s from thier terriers. The yanks dont just purchase thier pups from Mr nuttal.

[gaz 1987 0]

there is new nuttal and old nuttal and yes minner does divide the line there is a 1/4 border sumwere in that line,but i cant remeber what way the line went i had it wrote down because i myself have new nuttal and old nuttal blood in my pup,if that helps.and if [NO TEXT TALK] could help along this would be great because i have lost the paper that i wrote it down on.

[ALLYMOORE 57]

Mr nuttal aint the only name making a shilling on his dogs. A peddler is a peddler and there are a few "names" both young and old making ££££££££££££££££££££'s from thier terriers. The yanks dont just purchase thier pups from Mr nuttal.

[Guest AngelicAcid]

Am i right in thinking that the size wemt down a hell of a lot in the last 15 or so years?

and there wasnt just the smooth black type, ie also rough coats?

[CorkyJohn 808]

Again, the size went down as he was breeding for overseas market. Grockle, Nuttall isn't the only peddler but this thread is in regards to his stuff

[mad terrier 9]

Am i right in thinking that the size wemt down a hell of a lot in the last 15 or so years?

and there wasnt just the smooth black type, ie also rough coats?

 

aye, our patt is old blood nuttal, roughcoated n tall in comparison to da newer stuff, sire n dam were both smooths, all hard stuff in them, will hav to dig out his papers on his breeding sometime

[Bosun11 537]

Back to the original question, was miner a big part in this line, the seperation of the old and new?

 

Right AA this is my take on it. Back in 1988 Brian Nuttall gave a talk night in the Dog & Partridge pub, in Pemberton, Wigan, for the old Wigan Dog Club of which I was the Chairman. As always Brian was articulate, well spoken and a font of knowlage of all things working terrier and hunting. At the end of the evening he took an open forum Q&A, the pub was packed full and I can remember the same two questions being repeated over...

 

1. What is the difference between his old and new stock?

 

2. Has he put any bull blood in his dogs?

 

On Q1, Brian stated that there was no difference in his terriers past and present, in size, type or working ability. He said they were bred for fox and fox only and thats what they would do, thats what he gave a money back guarentee on.

 

On Q2, Brian stated that he has never put any bull blood into the line.

 

See the thing is, on this forum this same question keeps coming up BUT what i'm trying to say is... It was back then too, I don't know the year of Miner's birth but i'm sure it wasn't that far back?

Lads could see a difference, in size, type and to be honest, working ability. I was a youngster back then, keen as mustard and the 'token' Chairman of the club BUT there was plenty of old school, hard bitten digging lads in that club and many dug with Brian, owned some of his stock, in the past but not one agreed with him on that 'same stock' answer.

 

I like Brian and in no way would I disrespect the man but i'll say things as i've seen 'em.

 

Since that night i've been at two other talk nights with Brian, both with the MWTLC, the same questions came up there, with the same answers and again with the same rumblings after. A member on here, 'MR1' answered plenty of questions about Brian and his dogs on his posts, if you need to know more it may be well worth looking for them, he's a lot more qualified than me to answer but don't pm him he ain't on no more, just read the posts.

 

Oh, just in case anyone is wondering, i've dug to a fair few of Brians dogs, three directly out of Miner, only one I rated, a big dog, unlike Brians usual stock, looked like the pic of Wally Wild's Kipper in Fell Terrier, that dog could handle deep digs, anywhere.. Maybe he was a throwback?

The ones that would 'go' i've found too small and far too wreckless for their size, wading in right from the start, getting smashed to bits on early digs, they didn't have a long career!

I believe that the type that Brian originally got off Breay & Buck has been washed away in the 's flood of all things working dog, Brains never going to admit it but he's bred for a certain type, a type that can be seen as a Nuttall bred dog, a little more of conformation than ability, little things get lost along the way and I have evidence of that too!

[ALLYMOORE 57]

Back to the original question, was miner a big part in this line, the seperation of the old and new?

 

Right AA this is my take on it. Back in 1988 Brian Nuttall gave a talk night in the Dog & Partridge pub, in Pemberton, Wigan, for the old Wigan Dog Club of which I was the Chairman. As always Brian was articulate, well spoken and a font of knowlage of all things working terrier and hunting. At the end of the evening he took an open forum Q&A, the pub was packed full and I can remember the same two questions being repeated over...

 

1. What is the difference between his old and new stock?

 

2. Has he put any bull blood in his dogs?

 

On Q1, Brian stated that there was no difference in his terriers past and present, in size, type or working ability. He said they were bred for fox and fox only and thats what they would do, thats what he gave a money back guarentee on.

 

On Q2, Brian stated that he has never put any bull blood into the line.

 

See the thing is, on this forum this same question keeps coming up BUT what i'm trying to say is... It was back then too, I don't know the year of Miner's birth but i'm sure it wasn't that far back?

Lads could see a difference, in size, type and to be honest, working ability. I was a youngster back then, keen as mustard and the 'token' Chairman of the club BUT there was plenty of old school, hard bitten digging lads in that club and many dug with Brian, owned some of his stock, in the past but not one agreed with him on that 'same stock' answer.

 

I like Brian and in no way would I disrespect the man but i'll say things as i've seen 'em.

 

Since that night i've been at two other talk nights with Brian, both with the MWTLC, the same questions came up there, with the same answers and again with the same rumblings after. A member on here, 'MR1' answered plenty of questions about Brian and his dogs on his posts, if you need to know more it may be well worth looking for them, he's a lot more qualified than me to answer but don't pm him he ain't on no more, just read the posts.

 

Oh, just in case anyone is wondering, i've dug to a fair few of Brians dogs, three directly out of Miner, only one I rated, a big dog, unlike Brians usual stock, looked like the pic of Wally Wild's Kipper in Fell Terrier, that dog could handle deep digs, anywhere.. Maybe he was a throwback?

The ones that would 'go' i've found too small and far too wreckless for their size, wading in right from the start, getting smashed to bits on early digs, they didn't have a long career!

I believe that the type that Brian originally got off Breay & Buck has been washed away in the 's flood of all things working dog, Brains never going to admit it but he's bred for a certain type, a type that can be seen as a Nuttall bred dog, a little more of conformation than ability, little things get lost along the way and I have evidence of that too!

GOOD HONEST POST.