what is the best non CO2 pistol

[jac 12]

thanks for the help phantom. I will cheek them out

[jac 12]

I like the Webley Alecto, was looking at that the other day. looked a bit big for my hands though. i think i will stick with the HW40 as sugested. anyone got one for sale

[Phantom 631]

Very wise choice

 

Have a looksee around the UBC for sale section and the for sale on here as well.

 

Even put up a wanted ad on the UBC

 

Phantom

[RiffRaff 5]

Using a 7grain pellet if you zero the pistol at 10 yards (30 feet) then you will have a PBR from Muzzle to 12 yards.

The remaining energy is about 1.75 ft/lbs and the pellet will hit travelling at over 300 feet per second so as long as you get it in the vitals (front third of body and head) a Rat would cerainly go down very quickly

 

Phantom

 

i wouldnt think about using my HW40 for rat dispatch unless i was right on top of it,,ten feet or less HW45 much better choice more power bit of a monster to shoot right tho, just my 2bobs worth

 

niel

[Phantom 631]

Speaking of two bobs worth,

My new O2 number is comming to you via PM as I've not put any brass onto it till tomorrow

 

T

[jac 12]

what you think of the Alecto Riff Raff?

[Phantom 631]

He won't giva favourable answer to that, because he can't shoot one PMSL

 

Seriously the Alecto is very very accurate. The one Niel has had his mits on was not performing properly and was venting the air at the top end of the power.

 

Phantom

[pointer 543]

Using a 7grain pellet if you zero the pistol at 10 yards (30 feet) then you will have a PBR from Muzzle to 12 yards.

The remaining energy is about 1.75 ft/lbs and the pellet will hit travelling at over 300 feet per second so as long as you get it in the vitals (front third of body and head) a Rat would cerainly go down very quickly

 

Phantom

 

im not so sure it would always go down that quickly.that hasnt been my experience when ive mis-hit a rat and its gone into the front of the body.they often are left moving about injured which is why i will only shoot with a multi-shot rifle.

 

im not saying it cant be done,im sure theres loads of airgun buffs who could quote me statistics of pistol power and of amazing shooting with pistols but thats not the real world of ratting where it can often be hard enough to take a steady aim with a rifle.targets are one thing,if you miss so what just re-load but were talking about a living animal here.

 

im not being deliberately negative i just dont want newbies or youngsters thinking they can go around ratting like dirty harry.

[jac 12]

im not a newby or yougster. well 38 years young If i hit a rat and dont kill , i dispatch by hand, thats what i do when the dog gets a rabbit. I rather kill it myself nice and quick .

I am now loving the look of the crossman 1377. lol

[RiffRaff 5]

He won't giva favourable answer to that, because he can't shoot one PMSL

 

Seriously the Alecto is very very accurate. The one Niel has had his mits on was not performing properly and was venting the air at the top end of the power.

 

Phantom

 

tony

every alecto i have shot vents air on the last stroke,other than that i find the trigger is naff compared to my Rhom,,tau 7,,bruno multishot. but other than that there are 2 versions so i am lead to belive one that does 2 pumps,, an the one that does three pumps but having 9 people that i know with them an doin chrono strings with them they turn out a respectable level of power, my main gripe is the trigger its just not as good as im used to, an even the guys that have messed with theirs say it could be better

 

shoot safe

 

Niel

[RiffRaff 5]

thats not the real world of ratting where it can often be hard enough to take a steady aim with a rifle.targets are one thing,if you miss so what just re-load but were talking about a living animal here.

 

im not being deliberately negative i just dont want newbies or youngsters thinking they can go around ratting like dirty harry.

 

 

good point

 

N

[Phantom 631]

im not so sure it would always go down that quickly.that hasnt been my experience when ive mis-hit a rat and its gone into the front of the body.they often are left moving about injured which is why i will only shoot with a multi-shot rifle.

 

im not saying it cant be done,im sure theres loads of airgun buffs who could quote me statistics of pistol power and of amazing shooting with pistols but thats not the real world of ratting where it can often be hard enough to take a steady aim with a rifle.targets are one thing,if you miss so what just re-load but were talking about a living animal here.

 

im not being deliberately negative i just dont want newbies or youngsters thinking they can go around ratting like dirty harry.

 

I thoroughly agree with what you are saying there Pointer regarding newbies and Dirty Harry.

What I am saying though, is a Rat, being such a small creature, has an amazingly fast hearbeat any injury that causes trauma via an open wound will cause the rat to bleed out within a matter of seconds. Add to this the fact that the shock (however mild) will also cause the rodent to turn toes up.

A friend of mine saw a Rat that had migrated into his property from his next door neighbours Aviary. He threw a hand garden fork at it at just over 9 yards. It litterally clipped the rodent in the hind quaters with the butt end of the handle.

The rat jumped like it was on a trampoline or springboard and legged it towards where it had come from.

The rat was dead before it got to the hole in the fence(approx 18 feet), yet there was no sign of physical trauma on the outside of the rat. That was certainly a case of shock.

So any rat hit in the front third of its body is likely to die either of fatal wounds or shock trauma.

 

Two years back I would have made and insisted that the statement that "pistols are unsuitable for live quarry even at PBR" was true; until I began studying the effects of what a projectile can do at various ranges and velocities and the effects that it can have on various size quarry.

 

I would not expect a newbie to be accurate enough to pull off such shots, but they can be done

I don't advise anyone to shoot rabbits at more than 35-40 yards with a sub 12, but I know I can put a head shot on a bunny at 60+ yards with my baby and I am confident that I will make a clean kill, simply because I know the effects that my projectiles will have on internal organs and I know I can push the envelope because I am skillful enough to do so.

 

My intent is now to (and some tw@ts are gonna complain like feck about this) to drop a rabbit at 110 yards

Obviously this will not happen over night and I will spend many months practicing on paper at this range until I can be sure of accurate shot placement before I even think about trying it on a live animal.

The reason for this is I can be quite competitive at times and a friend of mine who has been practising long rangers has just put a bunny down with one shot at 107 yards, witnessed by multiple people. Although he did have the advantage of a solid bench and a Ripley Rifle AR4

 

Phantom

[jac 12]

whats your baby phantom ?

[RiffRaff 5]

im not so sure it would always go down that quickly.that hasnt been my experience when ive mis-hit a rat and its gone into the front of the body.they often are left moving about injured which is why i will only shoot with a multi-shot rifle.

 

im not saying it cant be done,im sure theres loads of airgun buffs who could quote me statistics of pistol power and of amazing shooting with pistols but thats not the real world of ratting where it can often be hard enough to take a steady aim with a rifle.targets are one thing,if you miss so what just re-load but were talking about a living animal here.

 

im not being deliberately negative i just dont want newbies or youngsters thinking they can go around ratting like dirty harry.

 

I thoroughly agree with what you are saying there Pointer regarding newbies and Dirty Harry.

What I am saying though, is a Rat, being such a small creature, has an amazingly fast hearbeat any injury that causes trauma via an open wound will cause the rat to bleed out within a matter of seconds. Add to this the fact that the shock (however mild) will also cause the rodent to turn toes up.

A friend of mine saw a Rat that had migrated into his property from his next door neighbours Aviary. He threw a hand garden fork at it at just over 9 yards. It litterally clipped the rodent in the hind quaters with the butt end of the handle.

The rat jumped like it was on a trampoline or springboard and legged it towards where it had come from.

The rat was dead before it got to the hole in the fence(approx 18 feet), yet there was no sign of physical trauma on the outside of the rat. That was certainly a case of shock.

So any rat hit in the front third of its body is likely to die either of fatal wounds or shock trauma.

 

Two years back I would have made and insisted that the statement that "pistols are unsuitable for live quarry even at PBR" was true; until I began studying the effects of what a projectile can do at various ranges and velocities and the effects that it can have on various size quarry.

 

I would not expect a newbie to be accurate enough to pull off such shots, but they can be done

I don't advise anyone to shoot rabbits at more than 35-40 yards with a sub 12, but I know I can put a head shot on a bunny at 60+ yards with my baby and I am confident that I will make a clean kill, simply because I know the effects that my projectiles will have on internal organs and I know I can push the envelope because I am skillful enough to do so.

 

My intent is now to (and some tw@ts are gonna complain like feck about this) to drop a rabbit at 110 yards

Obviously this will not happen over night and I will spend many months practicing on paper at this range until I can be sure of accurate shot placement before I even think about trying it on a live animal.

The reason for this is I can be quite competitive at times and a friend of mine who has been practising long rangers has just put a bunny down with one shot at 107 yards, witnessed by multiple people. Although he did have the advantage of a solid bench and a Ripley Rifle AR4

 

Phantom

 

 

hey you have seen the benches an solid is not a word i would use to describe them. and before anybody pipes up, i had a mate with a 1022 ruger standing by in case i missed the F:censored:R or wounded it

 

N

[pointer 543]

im not a newby or yougster. well 38 years young If i hit a rat and dont kill , i dispatch by hand, thats what i do when the dog gets a rabbit. I rather kill it myself nice and quick .

I am now loving the look of the crossman 1377. lol

 

rats generally are very close to a hole,cover,or some structure and will soon be in a place where you cant get at it.i do a bit of live catching myself but i dont go around dispatching injured rats by hand.im not an sas trooper with jackie chan skills

its different with dogs,i go hunting with dogs all the time.