Sucessful Breedings

[Dan Edwards 1,134]

I should have went with my gut feeling cuz it was right all along.

[tote 856]

I'm interested in others opinions on here what they consider successful breeding or a successful litter. What percentage of pups out of a litter that made the cut would you consider a litter worth repeating? Half? If you got let's say 1 out of 5 that was a rock star would you repeat that again? Lets here it, I don't think there is a wrong answer as its personal onion really.

its difficult to say as what would you blame for the dogs not turning out all that good the owners or the breeding. a good dog man can make a o.k dog out of a not so well bred pup and a bad dog man can make a shit dog out of a well bred pup.

 

Its odd to me that so many on here blame the owners of the dog. It just aint so folks. You breed enough critters in your life and you will soon see that fellas you know that are nothin but winners cannot turn chicken shit into chicken salad.

its got to play a part. if you give 5 pups to 5 beginers with dogs, i dont think they will turn out as well as if you give them to dog men who have alot of experience. i know some dog men that have never had what you could call a good dog. so its got to be them it i cant possibly see that they have chose a bad pup each time.

 

5 beginners may invest more time in a dog than a more experienced dog man and by time I mean years of time not more hands on time. Therefore, a shit litter may have a dog that turns out in the hands of 5 beginners when in fact any real dog man would have culled them over year ago. There are 100s of scenarios but facts are that momma and daddy make them be what they are gonna be. You can play games and try and "cover up" their faults through what some folks call traning but in the end they will fold up tent and pack it in when the shit hits the fan. Any real dog man will never pretend and or try and convince himself that little johnnyshiteater is gonna make it with just a bit more time and training. They will know at a very young age that he aint worth the effort.

if the parents put it into the pups and the dogs owner does'nt play a part why is it that all the pups dont turn out on par with each other. some always do better than others so it can omly be the owners.

 

 

You're not trying to say that if there are say 6 pups in a litter they will all be born with the same ability and if they don't turn out the

same it's down to the owners.

 

I appreciate we're talking about lurchers here but an easier way for me to get my point across is to look at a litter of greyhounds. It's

not uncommon for a litter of greyhounds to be bred, reared and raced by the one trainer. Following your line of thought everyone of that

litter should turn out with the same ability and race in the same grade, this very rarely happens however. In most cases all of the litter will vary in ability some might be open class or top grade while others might turn out middle graders and there might even be some that don't make the grade or turn out to be dodge pots or fighters. It's not very often you get a litter of equal ability.

[king squirrel 53]

i think if you plan to breed you should aim to better your stock everytime you breed some people it has taken them a life time and they still didnt get what they originally aimed for so for those that have a picture in there mind of what they want good look and all the best cause it carnt be done over night atb biza

[Dan Edwards 1,134]

I appreciate we're talking about lurchers here but an easier way for me to get my point across is to look at a litter of greyhounds. It's

not uncommon for a litter of greyhounds to be bred, reared and raced by the one trainer. Following your line of thought everyone of that

litter should turn out with the same ability and race in the same grade, this very rarely happens however. In most cases all of the litter will vary in ability some might be open class or top grade while others might turn out middle graders and there might even be some that don't make the grade or turn out to be dodge pots or fighters. It's not very often you get a litter of equal ability.

 

 

[STUNTMAN 552]

Right on the fu*ckin money

 

 

I'm interested in others opinions on here what they consider successful breeding or a successful litter. What percentage of pups out of a litter that made the cut would you consider a litter worth repeating? Half? If you got let's say 1 out of 5 that was a rock star would you repeat that again? Lets here it, I don't think there is a wrong answer as its personal onion really.

its difficult to say as what would you blame for the dogs not turning out all that good the owners or the breeding. a good dog man can make a o.k dog out of a not so well bred pup and a bad dog man can make a shit dog out of a well bred pup.

 

Its odd to me that so many on here blame the owners of the dog. It just aint so folks. You breed enough critters in your life and you will soon see that fellas you know that are nothin but winners cannot turn chicken shit into chicken salad.

its got to play a part. if you give 5 pups to 5 beginers with dogs, i dont think they will turn out as well as if you give them to dog men who have alot of experience. i know some dog men that have never had what you could call a good dog. so its got to be them it i cant possibly see that they have chose a bad pup each time.

 

5 beginners may invest more time in a dog than a more experienced dog man and by time I mean years of time not more hands on time. Therefore, a shit litter may have a dog that turns out in the hands of 5 beginners when in fact any real dog man would have culled them over year ago. There are 100s of scenarios but facts are that momma and daddy make them be what they are gonna be. You can play games and try and "cover up" their faults through what some folks call traning but in the end they will fold up tent and pack it in when the shit hits the fan. Any real dog man will never pretend and or try and convince himself that little johnnyshiteater is gonna make it with just a bit more time and training. They will know at a very young age that he aint worth the effort.

if the parents put it into the pups and the dogs owner does'nt play a part why is it that all the pups dont turn out on par with each other. some always do better than others so it can omly be the owners.

 

 

You're not trying to say that if there are say 6 pups in a litter they will all be born with the same ability and if they don't turn out the

same it's down to the owners.

 

I appreciate we're talking about lurchers here but an easier way for me to get my point across is to look at a litter of greyhounds. It's

not uncommon for a litter of greyhounds to be bred, reared and raced by the one trainer. Following your line of thought everyone of that

litter should turn out with the same ability and race in the same grade, this very rarely happens however. In most cases all of the litter will vary in ability some might be open class or top grade while others might turn out middle graders and there might even be some that don't make the grade or turn out to be dodge pots or fighters. It's not very often you get a litter of equal ability.

[jamie7344 263]

some people must be easily pleased.....top class uns are once in a lifetime dogs i'd like to get 1 in every litter never mind 3 or 4

[toby1066 413]

well said mate they are like rocking horse shit

[3 Turns 326]

ALRIGHT MATE.

I NO A MAN WHO DID 9 REAPEAT BREEDINGS ,HAD 109 PUPS EVERY/PUP TOOK SINGLE HANDED HARES .

MOST OF THE PUPS WENT TO ENGLAND AND THEY WERE QUING UP FOR MORE.

FACT.

PRICES WHERE LIKE TELEPHONE NUMBERS/STUPID DOE..

A TON TO A BAGGA SAND.

TWO BOYS WAE TWO GOOD DOGS IN A WEE MINISCULE SCHEME/MADE PLENTY

[Dan Edwards 1,134]

ALRIGHT MATE.

I NO A MAN WHO DID 9 REAPEAT BREEDINGS ,HAD 109 PUPS EVERY/PUP TOOK SINGLE HANDED HARES .

MOST OF THE PUPS WENT TO ENGLAND AND THEY WERE QUING UP FOR MORE.

FACT.

PRICES WHERE LIKE TELEPHONE NUMBERS/STUPID DOE..

A TON TO A BAGGA SAND.

TWO BOYS WAE TWO GOOD DOGS IN A WEE MINISCULE SCHEME/MADE PLENTY

 

 

I smoke rocks!

[STUNTMAN 552]

ALRIGHT MATE.

I NO A MAN WHO DID 9 REAPEAT BREEDINGS ,HAD 109 PUPS EVERY/PUP TOOK SINGLE HANDED HARES .

MOST OF THE PUPS WENT TO ENGLAND AND THEY WERE QUING UP FOR MORE.

FACT.

PRICES WHERE LIKE TELEPHONE NUMBERS/STUPID DOE..

A TON TO A BAGGA SAND.

TWO BOYS WAE TWO GOOD DOGS IN A WEE MINISCULE SCHEME/MADE PLENTY

 

 

I smoke rocks!

Rocks? I was thinking cocks for ROCKS

[Casso 1,261]

the way i see this one is, even when you breed from 2 alpha's , your still going to end up with a pack structure make up in the pups, it cant work any other way, the pups cant all be alpha's , a litter is like the spectrum of the rainbow from dark to light , hard temperment to weaker,,first litters of wild canines/wolves from the alpha dog and bitch will end up with pups many of who end up looking after 2nd and 3rd litters as aunts and uncles, while the rest are hunting,

The pack structure will also apply to domestic canines, each litter will have its hunters and followers, watchdogs and preyfinders, it cant work any other way , canines breed for pack structure ,so need to cover all eventualities,some will have better nose , one or two will be gamer, another few will be the nervous type , watching for danger, but all are needed for the pack to survive,,

Edited March 22, 2011 by Casso

[Dan Edwards 1,134]

I hate comparing dogs to wolves and shit but there has to be some sorta truth to all that, casso. They are not wolves but they still have some of them elements to a certain degree.

[STUNTMAN 552]

Right from the mouth of a genetic scientist, who co-produced the special “DOGS†on the National Geographic Channel. HA HA HAHAHAHAHAHA!

So what do you compare them to? Where did they come from, they came from some where right? It’s almost like the “man “argument. Did he come from the heavens? Or did he crawl out of the ocean?..................Wait where the ocean come from? Oh Oh lol.

[Dan Edwards 1,134]

I guess I dont compare them to anything but I dont totally agree with the "they didnt come from wolves" theory. Of course they did but they hae been manipulated for so long they aint really wolves anymore.

 

Another weird thing I read the other day. African wild dogs cannot hybridize even though they have same number of chromosomes. f****n genetics is some weird shit.

[optimus 447]

I'm interested in others opinions on here what they consider successful breeding or a successful litter. What percentage of pups out of a litter that made the cut would you consider a litter worth repeating? Half? If you got let's say 1 out of 5 that was a rock star would you repeat that again? Lets here it, I don't think there is a wrong answer as its personal onion really.

IF THE DOG THROW`S EVEN 1 PUP THAT IS A NOTEABLE SUCCESS FROM EACH LITTER, IT WILL BECOME A POPULAR STUD.