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[poacher3161 1,766]

IMHO training a lurcher especially a saturated sighhound one to stop wile chaseing anything is tantamount to mental torture on the dog its bad enough [bANNED TEXT] they stop on their own accord never mind commanding them to do even though my spaniels are trained not to chase its some thing i would never put on a lurcher.

[Catcher 1 639]

Stopping a dog chasing game is as easy as stopping it chasing livestock but the sad truth is many people dont bother to instill basic commands I know many dog men who scoff when I say I need my dog to stop chasing when I say, not when it feels like it ,all you here is cant be much good then .The fact is the better the training the better the dog.I often walk ten lurchers of one type or another through fields of sheep none have leads on none chase all walk to heel all stand and watch rabbits running amongst the sheep none chase untill told.

it's nothing like the same as stopping it chasing livestock, you want it to catch rabbits etc. most of the time, you never want it to chase livestock so it shouldn't run after livestock no matter what.

good luck with her mate!

 

No but it is kind of similar to the control needed to do the following - take one hungry dog, make him sit, place a bowl of really tasty meat in front of him and watch him sit there for 10-15 mins wanting the food so bad but not moving a muscle, before you give a command and only then does he eat. Not quite but close. It's also how you tell the dog to leave things it doesnt understand yet - if i left my pup with my chickens i'd have dead chickens, but if i'm in their pen and he's with me i can see he wants them bad, and will take a pace toward them, and when i growl he stops dead and looks at me with a guilty look in his eye. If i walked away and came back ten mins later i'd be out of chickens.

Spot on.Its called being the pack leader.I personally think this level of control is inportant if you have your dogs of lead in a public place or work them in the day in full veiw of the genral public as well as the reasons you already said.For me,when you have this level of trust,respect & control from your dog,that is when you can say you really work WITH your dog.Just my opinion.

all these people that say their dogs are so under control that they come back even when on a chase....what breed/mix of dog have you got? just out of interest? I'm keen to see if any of them are sighthounds or non-collie lurchers.

My dog is a saluki greyhound x bull whip greyhound,she chases what i want her to chase,if i lit your eyes up in the field she would chase you,if i told her to,if she was halfway down a beam and i wanted her to stop,i tell her and she would stop! If you have a slip and run dog that you cant control once slipped then its not(in my opinion)trained to a reasonable standard. And farmers would be reluctant to give you permission to run on thier ground! That said,Happy hunting

spot on.i took my bitch to watch my mate ferreting and the farmer joined us.she done as she was told all day.the farmer then gave me permission to take her anywhere on his land.theres 5000 acres.a bit off obedience is good manners and you never know were it will lead.she mouthed a couple of netted rabbits and looked keen as mustad so fingers crossed for this first season.

So anyway, back to the original question....assuming you try to stop the dog but it doesn't stop and catches the rabbit, what would be the outcome?

 

 

In the eyes of the law your guilty.As the dog has to be under the owners control at all times.No ifs ands or buts.

[rob190364 2,594]

Stopping a dog chasing game is as easy as stopping it chasing livestock but the sad truth is many people dont bother to instill basic commands I know many dog men who scoff when I say I need my dog to stop chasing when I say, not when it feels like it ,all you here is cant be much good then .The fact is the better the training the better the dog.I often walk ten lurchers of one type or another through fields of sheep none have leads on none chase all walk to heel all stand and watch rabbits running amongst the sheep none chase untill told.

it's nothing like the same as stopping it chasing livestock, you want it to catch rabbits etc. most of the time, you never want it to chase livestock so it shouldn't run after livestock no matter what.

good luck with her mate!

 

No but it is kind of similar to the control needed to do the following - take one hungry dog, make him sit, place a bowl of really tasty meat in front of him and watch him sit there for 10-15 mins wanting the food so bad but not moving a muscle, before you give a command and only then does he eat. Not quite but close. It's also how you tell the dog to leave things it doesnt understand yet - if i left my pup with my chickens i'd have dead chickens, but if i'm in their pen and he's with me i can see he wants them bad, and will take a pace toward them, and when i growl he stops dead and looks at me with a guilty look in his eye. If i walked away and came back ten mins later i'd be out of chickens.

Spot on.Its called being the pack leader.I personally think this level of control is inportant if you have your dogs of lead in a public place or work them in the day in full veiw of the genral public as well as the reasons you already said.For me,when you have this level of trust,respect & control from your dog,that is when you can say you really work WITH your dog.Just my opinion.

all these people that say their dogs are so under control that they come back even when on a chase....what breed/mix of dog have you got? just out of interest? I'm keen to see if any of them are sighthounds or non-collie lurchers.

My dog is a saluki greyhound x bull whip greyhound,she chases what i want her to chase,if i lit your eyes up in the field she would chase you,if i told her to,if she was halfway down a beam and i wanted her to stop,i tell her and she would stop! If you have a slip and run dog that you cant control once slipped then its not(in my opinion)trained to a reasonable standard. And farmers would be reluctant to give you permission to run on thier ground! That said,Happy hunting

spot on.i took my bitch to watch my mate ferreting and the farmer joined us.she done as she was told all day.the farmer then gave me permission to take her anywhere on his land.theres 5000 acres.a bit off obedience is good manners and you never know were it will lead.she mouthed a couple of netted rabbits and looked keen as mustad so fingers crossed for this first season.

So anyway, back to the original question....assuming you try to stop the dog but it doesn't stop and catches the rabbit, what would be the outcome?

 

 

In the eyes of the law your guilty.As the dog has to be under the owners control at all times.No ifs ands or buts.

anyone know of this happening to anyone? what sort of punishment would it be? a fine I'm assuming?

[shushycatcher 219]

am i right in thinking that it not illegal to flush game with any dog?

[Sexy_Shot 5]

Any dog man worth his salt should be able to stop his dog from chasing something he doesn't want it to. I'm not talking about calling a dog off mid race although this can also be done with the correct training. I'm talking about stopping a dog in it's first few paces letting it know what it's after in not on the menu at the present time. The simple word NO can save a whole lot of trouble when out and about IMO there is no excuse for letting an out of control poorly trained dog loose in the country side.

I'm not talking about some wild dog rampaging round the countryside, I mean it you were just on a park or something and a rabbit pops up. Thousands of people walk their dogs off the leads around parks and countryside!! If your dog was 30 yards away from you and a rabbit it appeared next to it, you're telling me that you saying "no" would stop it chasing it???

 

YES!

I agree.

 

My lurcher stops dead in his tracks when I bark: 'LEAVE IT!!' at him, but my little bitch of a terrier just kind of slows down in the hope she can get far away enough from me to act deaf before I get to her and pick her up, does my fecking head in.. Hard headed little bitch..

 

 

 

you bark?

 

 

But on a serious side you are true

[biza hollis 27]

some of the people on here who can stop there dog running quarry i assume you do this when they are young so first of all your training them to run that quarry then when youve achived this you train them to stop in mid chase now in my eyes icould be wrong but imagaine how dishearting this is for a young dog youve put all that time in to chasing quarry now you telling it not to you carnt tell me that this is agood thing to do to a young dog it is dishearting and you are puzzling a young dogs head but het each to there own i like to build confidence in my young hounds not smash there confidence atb biza

[kev2010 8]

some of the people on here who can stop there dog running quarry i assume you do this when they are young so first of all your training them to run that quarry then when youve achived this you train them to stop in mid chase now in my eyes icould be wrong but imagaine how dishearting this is for a young dog youve put all that time in to chasing quarry now you telling it not to you carnt tell me that this is agood thing to do to a young dog it is dishearting and you are puzzling a young dogs head but het each to there own i like to build confidence in my young hounds not smash there confidence atb biza

mho if the dogs confidence takes a knock on the odd time that he needs to be stopped,id rather that than see him dead in the road.For what.A rabbit.

Ive had this happen & how the car missed him i dont know but not something i want to repeat.A dead dogs no good to anybody.

[biza hollis 27]

some of the people on here who can stop there dog running quarry i assume you do this when they are young so first of all your training them to run that quarry then when youve achived this you train them to stop in mid chase now in my eyes icould be wrong but imagaine how dishearting this is for a young dog youve put all that time in to chasing quarry now you telling it not to you carnt tell me that this is agood thing to do to a young dog it is dishearting and you are puzzling a young dogs head but het each to there own i like to build confidence in my young hounds not smash there confidence atb biza

mho if the dogs confidence takes a knock on the odd time that he needs to be stopped,id rather that than see him dead in the road.For what.A rabbit.

Ive had this happen & how the car missed him i dont know but not something i want to repeat.A dead dogs no good to anybody.

but surely to train a dog to the standard of stoping when chasing it would have to be done more than the odd time you would have to repeat the scenario many times now you carnt tell me that this is good for a young dog atb biza

[poacher3161 1,766]

some of the people on here who can stop there dog running quarry i assume you do this when they are young so first of all your training them to run that quarry then when youve achived this you train them to stop in mid chase now in my eyes icould be wrong but imagaine how dishearting this is for a young dog youve put all that time in to chasing quarry now you telling it not to you carnt tell me that this is agood thing to do to a young dog it is dishearting and you are puzzling a young dogs head but het each to there own i like to build confidence in my young hounds not smash there confidence atb biza

I agree to train a lurcher to stop chaseing imho is totally unnatrual and i wouldent attempt it for fear of mentally damaging the dog.

[biza hollis 27]

some of the people on here who can stop there dog running quarry i assume you do this when they are young so first of all your training them to run that quarry then when youve achived this you train them to stop in mid chase now in my eyes icould be wrong but imagaine how dishearting this is for a young dog youve put all that time in to chasing quarry now you telling it not to you carnt tell me that this is agood thing to do to a young dog it is dishearting and you are puzzling a young dogs head but het each to there own i like to build confidence in my young hounds not smash there confidence atb biza

I agree to train a lurcher to stop chaseing imho is totally unnatrual and i wouldent attempt it for fear of mentally damaging the dog.

this is true cause you instill rules in your dog from a young age eg.not to chase livestock etc but teaching a young dog to chase quarry and encourage him to do so then to smash that dogs confidence by then teaching him to stop well you would have to be very firm with the dog to do that any way would mentally damage a young dogs confidence but then again each to there own atb biza

[Butler 396]

some of the people on here who can stop there dog running quarry i assume you do this when they are young so first of all your training them to run that quarry then when youve achived this you train them to stop in mid chase now in my eyes icould be wrong but imagaine how dishearting this is for a young dog youve put all that time in to chasing quarry now you telling it not to you carnt tell me that this is agood thing to do to a young dog it is dishearting and you are puzzling a young dogs head but het each to there own i like to build confidence in my young hounds not smash there confidence atb biza

I agree to train a lurcher to stop chaseing imho is totally unnatrual and i wouldent attempt it for fear of mentally damaging the dog.

this is true cause you instill rules in your dog from a young age eg.not to chase livestock etc but teaching a young dog to chase quarry and encourage him to do so then to smash that dogs confidence by then teaching him to stop well you would have to be very firm with the dog to do that any way would mentally damage a young dogs confidence but then again each to there own atb biza

 

 

 

Some people on here really don't have a clue about dog training. You teach the dog from a young age NO means NO no matter what it's doing you are the BOSS and the dog should do as you say. For all you that think a well trained dog isn't 100% committed to it's job. Go take a look on the boar hunting section there's a good post on there by a guy in australia. His dogs will hang on to a 100kg+ wild pig for as long as it takes for him to get there taking a hell of alot of punishment but on his arrival at the catch one word from him and they let go.Not because they want to but because he has told them to and that is how it should be IMO.

[poacher3161 1,766]

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<BR>some of the people on here who can stop there dog running quarry i assume you do this when they are young so first of all your training them to run that quarry then when youve achived this you train them to stop in mid chase now in my eyes icould be wrong but imagaine how dishearting this is for a young dog youve put all that time in to chasing quarry now you telling it not to you carnt tell me that this is agood thing to do to a young dog it is dishearting and you are puzzling a young dogs head but het each to there own i like to build confidence in my young hounds not smash there confidence atb biza<BR>

<BR>I agree to train a lurcher to stop chaseing imho is totally unnatrual and i wouldent attempt it for fear of mentally damaging the dog.<BR>

<BR>this is true cause you instill rules in your dog from a young age eg.not to chase livestock etc but teaching a young dog to chase quarry and encourage him to do so then to smash that dogs confidence by then teaching him to stop well you would have to be very firm with the dog to do that any way would mentally damage a young dogs confidence but then again each to there own atb biza<BR>

<BR><BR><BR><BR>Some people on here really don't have a clue about dog training. You teach the dog from a young age NO means NO no matter what it's doing you are the BOSS and the dog should do as you say. For all you that think a well trained dog isn't 100% committed to it's job. Go take a look on the boar hunting section there's a good post on there by a guy in australia. His dogs will hang on to a 100kg+ wild pig for as long as it takes for him to get there taking a hell of alot of punishment but on his arrival at the catch one word from him and they let go.Not because they want to but because he has told them to and that is how it should be IMO.<BR>

<BR>I train my dogs to leave things with the command leave it as i would never put up with a dog mouthing rabbits in a purse net like i have seen on a few vidios but to stop them in full flight wile they were in pursuite of their quarry must take some doing like i say we all have our own methods.atb dell<BR><BR>

[kev2010 8]

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<BR>some of the people on here who can stop there dog running quarry i assume you do this when they are young so first of all your training them to run that quarry then when youve achived this you train them to stop in mid chase now in my eyes icould be wrong but imagaine how dishearting this is for a young dog youve put all that time in to chasing quarry now you telling it not to you carnt tell me that this is agood thing to do to a young dog it is dishearting and you are puzzling a young dogs head but het each to there own i like to build confidence in my young hounds not smash there confidence atb biza<BR>

<BR>I agree to train a lurcher to stop chaseing imho is totally unnatrual and i wouldent attempt it for fear of mentally damaging the dog.<BR>

<BR>this is true cause you instill rules in your dog from a young age eg.not to chase livestock etc but teaching a young dog to chase quarry and encourage him to do so then to smash that dogs confidence by then teaching him to stop well you would have to be very firm with the dog to do that any way would mentally damage a young dogs confidence but then again each to there own atb biza<BR>

<BR><BR><BR><BR>Some people on here really don't have a clue about dog training. You teach the dog from a young age NO means NO no matter what it's doing you are the BOSS and the dog should do as you say. For all you that think a well trained dog isn't 100% committed to it's job. Go take a look on the boar hunting section there's a good post on there by a guy in australia. His dogs will hang on to a 100kg+ wild pig for as long as it takes for him to get there taking a hell of alot of punishment but on his arrival at the catch one word from him and they let go.Not because they want to but because he has told them to and that is how it should be IMO.<BR>

<BR>I train my dogs to leave things with the command leave it as i would never put up with a dog mouthing rabbits in a purse net like i have seen on a few vidios but to stop them in full flight wile they were in pursuite of their quarry must take some doing like i say we all have our own methods.atb dell<BR><BR>

What i did with my beddy/whippet when he was a pup,before hed even seen a rabbit.was 2 or 3 of us would take him down the fields & get him running from one to the other until he was really fired up & then give him the command to stop.We'd do this 2 or 3 times a week until he understood what i wanted him to do.Im not 100% at stopping him mid chase but im getting there.Ive been lucky with my deerhound x.He just knows no means no.I can honestly say,hand on heart its had no effect on thier desire to chase & catch.

Atb.Kev

Edited July 23, 2010 by kev2010

[poacher3161 1,766]

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<BR>some of the people on here who can stop there dog running quarry i assume you do this when they are young so first of all your training them to run that quarry then when youve achived this you train them to stop in mid chase now in my eyes icould be wrong but imagaine how dishearting this is for a young dog youve put all that time in to chasing quarry now you telling it not to you carnt tell me that this is agood thing to do to a young dog it is dishearting and you are puzzling a young dogs head but het each to there own i like to build confidence in my young hounds not smash there confidence atb biza<BR>

<BR>I agree to train a lurcher to stop chaseing imho is totally unnatrual and i wouldent attempt it for fear of mentally damaging the dog.<BR>

<BR>this is true cause you instill rules in your dog from a young age eg.not to chase livestock etc but teaching a young dog to chase quarry and encourage him to do so then to smash that dogs confidence by then teaching him to stop well you would have to be very firm with the dog to do that any way would mentally damage a young dogs confidence but then again each to there own atb biza<BR>

<BR><BR><BR><BR>Some people on here really don't have a clue about dog training. You teach the dog from a young age NO means NO no matter what it's doing you are the BOSS and the dog should do as you say. For all you that think a well trained dog isn't 100% committed to it's job. Go take a look on the boar hunting section there's a good post on there by a guy in australia. His dogs will hang on to a 100kg+ wild pig for as long as it takes for him to get there taking a hell of alot of punishment but on his arrival at the catch one word from him and they let go.Not because they want to but because he has told them to and that is how it should be IMO.<BR>

<BR>I train my dogs to leave things with the command leave it as i would never put up with a dog mouthing rabbits in a purse net like i have seen on a few vidios but to stop them in full flight wile they were in pursuite of their quarry must take some doing like i say we all have our own methods.atb dell<BR><BR>

What i did with my beddy/whippet when he was a pup,before hed even seen a rabbit.was 2 or 3 of us would take him down the fields & get him running from one to the other until he was really fired up & then give him the command to stop.We'd do this 2 or 3 times a week until he understood what i wanted him to do.Im not 100% at stopping him mid chase but im getting there.Ive been lucky with my deerhound x.He just knows no means no.I can honestly say,hand on heart its had no effect on thier desire to chase & catch.

Atb.Kev

Thats good to hear mate as i think most of us at sometime due to an heart in the mouth situation wish we could have stopped the dog chaseing [bANNED TEXT] in full flight like the situation in my first post that cost me a fine at the magistrates

[rob190364 2,594]

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<BR>some of the people on here who can stop there dog running quarry i assume you do this when they are young so first of all your training them to run that quarry then when youve achived this you train them to stop in mid chase now in my eyes icould be wrong but imagaine how dishearting this is for a young dog youve put all that time in to chasing quarry now you telling it not to you carnt tell me that this is agood thing to do to a young dog it is dishearting and you are puzzling a young dogs head but het each to there own i like to build confidence in my young hounds not smash there confidence atb biza<BR>

<BR>I agree to train a lurcher to stop chaseing imho is totally unnatrual and i wouldent attempt it for fear of mentally damaging the dog.<BR>

<BR>this is true cause you instill rules in your dog from a young age eg.not to chase livestock etc but teaching a young dog to chase quarry and encourage him to do so then to smash that dogs confidence by then teaching him to stop well you would have to be very firm with the dog to do that any way would mentally damage a young dogs confidence but then again each to there own atb biza<BR>

<BR><BR><BR><BR>Some people on here really don't have a clue about dog training. You teach the dog from a young age NO means NO no matter what it's doing you are the BOSS and the dog should do as you say. For all you that think a well trained dog isn't 100% committed to it's job. Go take a look on the boar hunting section there's a good post on there by a guy in australia. His dogs will hang on to a 100kg+ wild pig for as long as it takes for him to get there taking a hell of alot of punishment but on his arrival at the catch one word from him and they let go.Not because they want to but because he has told them to and that is how it should be IMO.<BR>

<BR>I train my dogs to leave things with the command leave it as i would never put up with a dog mouthing rabbits in a purse net like i have seen on a few vidios but to stop them in full flight wile they were in pursuite of their quarry must take some doing like i say we all have our own methods.atb dell<BR><BR>

What i did with my beddy/whippet when he was a pup,before hed even seen a rabbit.was 2 or 3 of us would take him down the fields & get him running from one to the other until he was really fired up & then give him the command to stop.We'd do this 2 or 3 times a week until he understood what i wanted him to do.Im not 100% at stopping him mid chase but im getting there.Ive been lucky with my deerhound x.He just knows no means no.I can honestly say,hand on heart its had no effect on thier desire to chase & catch.

Atb.Kev

Thats good to hear mate as i think most of us at sometime due to an heart in the mouth situation wish we could have stopped the dog chaseing [bANNED TEXT] in full flight like the situation in my first post that cost me a fine at the magistrates

Was a rabbit it caught? What fine did you get?