angora ferrets ?

[poacher3161 1,766]

My mate just brought one of these think it a cross but i call him a poof for getting one apparantly they cant always rear there own young.

 

They can't suckle their young full stop... The milk dries up after a few days. They also lack the normal ferrets double coat, so they cant be kept in the same manner as a normal ferret, and need grooming on a daily basis as they can't clean themselves properly.

 

A pointless fecking animal..

lol why are they not extinct then??? my mate breeds them with no problems whatsoever got some on now @ £ each stupid people pay stupid prices

 

It is well known that the full angora strain can not suckle their young. To raise angora kits from an angoraXangora mating you must take the kits and put them on a normal lactating ferret jill [of course, not many of the folks who do this like to say what happens to the standard, altogether more useful normal ferret kits that have to 'make way' for the angora kits] or breed an angora hob to a normal ferret jill. The normal jill can suckle the young without issue, though this does not produce entire litters of angoras. The halfbred angora things produced from such a mating are more capable of suckling their young, but no less of a travesty in my eyes. That's my understanding of the whole sad mess, anyway.

Your mate sounds like a toss pot.

Well said breeding these ferrets is as bad as the numptys breeding silly cross lurchers out of greyhound bitches just because their some thing different but more importantly they can make a few bob as guillable people will want to buy one to be different and they say moneys the root of all evil how fekin right.atb dell

[Leeview 791]

Leeview- It is well know that full angoras can't suckle their young. I've heard it confirmed by breeders of the useless things. I'm not sure what shedding has to do with this, though. Have I missed something?

I've never seen one,touched one or bred one so its not well known to myself but you have had it confirmed by breeders, as for shedding coat prior to whelping thats what my jills do dont yours?

Y.I.S Leeview

[Coneytrappr 30]

Leeview- It is well know that full angoras can't suckle their young. I've heard it confirmed by breeders of the useless things. I'm not sure what shedding has to do with this, though. Have I missed something?

I've never seen one,touched one or bred one so its not well known to myself but you have had it confirmed by breeders, as for shedding coat prior to whelping thats what my jills do dont yours?

Y.I.S Leeview

 

I would be suprised if a stinker didn't shed and pluck its fur before having a litter, and assumed that angoras would also. I don't think it has any bearing on their ability to feed the young, though. They just can't produce enough milk to do the job.

[Coneytrappr 30]

My mate just brought one of these think it a cross but i call him a poof for getting one apparantly they cant always rear there own young.

 

They can't suckle their young full stop... The milk dries up after a few days. They also lack the normal ferrets double coat, so they cant be kept in the same manner as a normal ferret, and need grooming on a daily basis as they can't clean themselves properly.

 

A pointless fecking animal..

lol why are they not extinct then??? my mate breeds them with no problems whatsoever got some on now @ £ each stupid people pay stupid prices

 

It is well known that the full angora strain can not suckle their young. To raise angora kits from an angoraXangora mating you must take the kits and put them on a normal lactating ferret jill [of course, not many of the folks who do this like to say what happens to the standard, altogether more useful normal ferret kits that have to 'make way' for the angora kits] or breed an angora hob to a normal ferret jill. The normal jill can suckle the young without issue, though this does not produce entire litters of angoras. The halfbred angora things produced from such a mating are more capable of suckling their young, but no less of a travesty in my eyes. That's my understanding of the whole sad mess, anyway.

Your mate sounds like a toss pot.

Well said breeding these ferrets is as bad as the numptys breeding silly cross lurchers out of greyhound bitches just because their some thing different but more importantly they can make a few bob as guillable people will want to buy one to be different and they say moneys the root of all evil how fekin right.atb dell

 

Cheers mate, that's it exactly- people getting wrapped up in 'novelties'. And of course the money.

[Guest stewie]

My mate just brought one of these think it a cross but i call him a poof for getting one apparantly they cant always rear there own young.

 

They can't suckle their young full stop... The milk dries up after a few days. They also lack the normal ferrets double coat, so they cant be kept in the same manner as a normal ferret, and need grooming on a daily basis as they can't clean themselves properly.

 

A pointless fecking animal..

lol why are they not extinct then??? my mate breeds them with no problems whatsoever got some on now @ £ each stupid people pay stupid prices

 

It is well known that the full angora strain can not suckle their young. To raise angora kits from an angoraXangora mating you must take the kits and put them on a normal lactating ferret jill [of course, not many of the folks who do this like to say what happens to the standard, altogether more useful normal ferret kits that have to 'make way' for the angora kits] or breed an angora hob to a normal ferret jill. The normal jill can suckle the young without issue, though this does not produce entire litters of angoras. The halfbred angora things produced from such a mating are more capable of suckling their young, but no less of a travesty in my eyes. That's my understanding of the whole sad mess, anyway.

Your mate sounds like a toss pot.

he is on this forum and id watch what you say mate you wouldnt be saying that to his face ill tell you that for nothing!!!!

 

i asked him earlier and he told me i was wrong pures cant suckle there young he has bred a litter of 3/4s angoras the jill being the half cross so shes got no problem rearing her young. his wife and kids like showing ferrets thats why he has them aswell as his workers tbh i dont really care they aint my thing but i wouldnt mind £800 sitting in a hutch im my garden as i said stupid people pay stupid prices if there is a market for them why shouldnt he breed them???? by the sounds of it they are cheap

 

Did you just threaten me over the Internet, good sir?

Seriously though, I don't think 'shows' are a good enough excuse for breeding genetically deficient animals which have no practical use. Just because there's a market doesn't mean that it should be filled. they shouldn't be bred because ultimately, they are deleterious to the ferret as a species. It doesn't sound cheap to me. It sounds expensive for a genetically deficient animal that could never work.

Breeding for form over function is never beneficial. I believe the same to be true for dogs and horses also.

Your mate is welcome to share his perspective, but threats and implied thuggery are not impressive in the least.

how is saying you wouldnt call him a tosspot to his face a threat ????

 

he doesnt pretend to work these ferrets just has a litter now and then to cover costs of there bedding,food etc and yes to make a few quid aswell like i said i dont know much about these an dont really give a fcuk BUT i do no the hob and jill are both fit,agile and strong and would be capable of working if given the chance

[Guest stewie]

My mate just brought one of these think it a cross but i call him a poof for getting one apparantly they cant always rear there own young.

 

They can't suckle their young full stop... The milk dries up after a few days. They also lack the normal ferrets double coat, so they cant be kept in the same manner as a normal ferret, and need grooming on a daily basis as they can't clean themselves properly.

 

A pointless fecking animal..

lol why are they not extinct then??? my mate breeds them with no problems whatsoever got some on now @ £ each stupid people pay stupid prices

 

It is well known that the full angora strain can not suckle their young. To raise angora kits from an angoraXangora mating you must take the kits and put them on a normal lactating ferret jill [of course, not many of the folks who do this like to say what happens to the standard, altogether more useful normal ferret kits that have to 'make way' for the angora kits] or breed an angora hob to a normal ferret jill. The normal jill can suckle the young without issue, though this does not produce entire litters of angoras. The halfbred angora things produced from such a mating are more capable of suckling their young, but no less of a travesty in my eyes. That's my understanding of the whole sad mess, anyway.

Your mate sounds like a toss pot.

Well said breeding these ferrets is as bad as the numptys breeding silly cross lurchers out of greyhound bitches just because their some thing different but more importantly they can make a few bob as guillable people will want to buy one to be different and they say moneys the root of all evil how fekin right.atb dell

dell you really do talk shit sometimes :wallbash: how can you compare these to lurchers they are not brought for working people just have them as pets or show them they KNOW what they are buying before the part with any cash so they aint gullible they just want pretty long haired ferrets simple as that

[Leeview 791]

Leeview- It is well know that full angoras can't suckle their young. I've heard it confirmed by breeders of the useless things. I'm not sure what shedding has to do with this, though. Have I missed something?

I've never seen one,touched one or bred one so its not well known to myself but you have had it confirmed by breeders, as for shedding coat prior to whelping thats what my jills do dont yours?

Y.I.S Leeview

 

I would be suprised if a stinker didn't shed and pluck its fur before having a litter, and assumed that angoras would also. I don't think it has any bearing on their ability to feed the young, though. They just can't produce enough milk to do the job.

As I understood it shedding coat was to enable the kits to be able to find the nipples I cant see why a long haired animal cant produce enough milk as opposed to a short or smooth haired animal akita's,afghan hounds,malamutes and even poodles seem to manage

Y.I.S Leeview

[Coneytrappr 30]

My mate just brought one of these think it a cross but i call him a poof for getting one apparantly they cant always rear there own young.

 

They can't suckle their young full stop... The milk dries up after a few days. They also lack the normal ferrets double coat, so they cant be kept in the same manner as a normal ferret, and need grooming on a daily basis as they can't clean themselves properly.

 

A pointless fecking animal..

lol why are they not extinct then??? my mate breeds them with no problems whatsoever got some on now @ £ each stupid people pay stupid prices

 

It is well known that the full angora strain can not suckle their young. To raise angora kits from an angoraXangora mating you must take the kits and put them on a normal lactating ferret jill [of course, not many of the folks who do this like to say what happens to the standard, altogether more useful normal ferret kits that have to 'make way' for the angora kits] or breed an angora hob to a normal ferret jill. The normal jill can suckle the young without issue, though this does not produce entire litters of angoras. The halfbred angora things produced from such a mating are more capable of suckling their young, but no less of a travesty in my eyes. That's my understanding of the whole sad mess, anyway.

Your mate sounds like a toss pot.

he is on this forum and id watch what you say mate you wouldnt be saying that to his face ill tell you that for nothing!!!!

 

i asked him earlier and he told me i was wrong pures cant suckle there young he has bred a litter of 3/4s angoras the jill being the half cross so shes got no problem rearing her young. his wife and kids like showing ferrets thats why he has them aswell as his workers tbh i dont really care they aint my thing but i wouldnt mind £800 sitting in a hutch im my garden as i said stupid people pay stupid prices if there is a market for them why shouldnt he breed them???? by the sounds of it they are cheap

 

Did you just threaten me over the Internet, good sir?

Seriously though, I don't think 'shows' are a good enough excuse for breeding genetically deficient animals which have no practical use. Just because there's a market doesn't mean that it should be filled. they shouldn't be bred because ultimately, they are deleterious to the ferret as a species. It doesn't sound cheap to me. It sounds expensive for a genetically deficient animal that could never work.

Breeding for form over function is never beneficial. I believe the same to be true for dogs and horses also.

Your mate is welcome to share his perspective, but threats and implied thuggery are not impressive in the least.

how is saying you wouldnt call him a tosspot to his face a threat ????

 

he doesnt pretend to work these ferrets just has a litter now and then to cover costs of there bedding,food etc and yes to make a few quid aswell like i said i dont know much about these an dont really give a fcuk BUT i do no the hob and jill are both fit,agile and strong and would be capable of working if given the chance

 

That was mostly tongue in cheek Stewie, though your initial comment did make it sound as though your mate would 'reprimand' me if it were said face to face.

Ultimately, he is breeding useless mutants to make a buck. This is a trend amongst those who breed angoras.

I don't consider ferrets with obscenely long fur to be capable of working to my standards- especially those that do not have a full undercoat to protect against cold weather. I guess your mate will do what he will do, but he's not doing the ferret as a species any favours by perpetuating those bloodlines.

[poacher3161 1,766]

My mate just brought one of these think it a cross but i call him a poof for getting one apparantly they cant always rear there own young.

 

They can't suckle their young full stop... The milk dries up after a few days. They also lack the normal ferrets double coat, so they cant be kept in the same manner as a normal ferret, and need grooming on a daily basis as they can't clean themselves properly.

 

A pointless fecking animal..

lol why are they not extinct then??? my mate breeds them with no problems whatsoever got some on now @ £ each stupid people pay stupid prices

 

It is well known that the full angora strain can not suckle their young. To raise angora kits from an angoraXangora mating you must take the kits and put them on a normal lactating ferret jill [of course, not many of the folks who do this like to say what happens to the standard, altogether more useful normal ferret kits that have to 'make way' for the angora kits] or breed an angora hob to a normal ferret jill. The normal jill can suckle the young without issue, though this does not produce entire litters of angoras. The halfbred angora things produced from such a mating are more capable of suckling their young, but no less of a travesty in my eyes. That's my understanding of the whole sad mess, anyway.

Your mate sounds like a toss pot.

Well said breeding these ferrets is as bad as the numptys breeding silly cross lurchers out of greyhound bitches just because their some thing different but more importantly they can make a few bob as guillable people will want to buy one to be different and they say moneys the root of all evil how fekin right.atb dell

dell you really do talk shit sometimes :wallbash: how can you compare these to lurchers they are not brought for working people just have them as pets or show them they KNOW what they are buying before the part with any cash so they aint gullible they just want pretty long haired ferrets simple as that

But how long will it take for them to get into the genepool causing problems for people getting ferrets that suffer from conditions unbeknown then again the vets will be happy.

[Coneytrappr 30]

Leeview- It is well know that full angoras can't suckle their young. I've heard it confirmed by breeders of the useless things. I'm not sure what shedding has to do with this, though. Have I missed something?

I've never seen one,touched one or bred one so its not well known to myself but you have had it confirmed by breeders, as for shedding coat prior to whelping thats what my jills do dont yours?

Y.I.S Leeview

 

I would be suprised if a stinker didn't shed and pluck its fur before having a litter, and assumed that angoras would also. I don't think it has any bearing on their ability to feed the young, though. They just can't produce enough milk to do the job.

As I understood it shedding coat was to enable the kits to be able to find the nipples I cant see why a long haired animal cant produce enough milk as opposed to a short or smooth haired animal akita's,afghan hounds,malamutes and even poodles seem to manage

Y.I.S Leeview

 

Aye, I would say you understand that right. It's not the long hair itself causes a problem- it's just that in this particular case, there is a link between the gene that codes for long hair and whatever gene codes for an inability to produce ample milk. At least, that is my understanding of it. There are a number of other issues associated with angoras - cleft nose, often skittish temperament, and I've heard from some, a shortened lifespan. Similar to the way in which certain coat colours are linked to the health of some animals- like some varieties of brindle mice, the males of which colouring invariably die before they are weaned.

 

Interestingly, Akitas and Mals have the same 'double coat' with an underfur and guard hairs that standard ferrets have. And there is some nut in the US who has recently developed 'curly' coated ferrets...they look mangey. :sick:

[Guest stewie]

@ poacher3161 proper ferreters just wont use them will they??? aslong as workers are bred of all the time there wont be any problem as i said they are just pets and sold as that and he has had no health issues with them

 

@coneytrappr they are only pets and you cant tell me one litter of these is hurting the whole ferret species!!!! plus if they were worked in tight burrows then the fur would soon be stripped out same as with rough coated terriers. like i said im no expert on these ferrets but from what ive seen they are just as fit and healthy as his workers, they rip meat of rabbits just as good and are very agile to id like to try one to ground put it that way

[Coneytrappr 30]

But when he puts kits out to new homes whats to say those people then won't breed and pass the bad genetics on? Just look at the state of the dog world and all the shit that is out there because people breed from poor stock. Look at American ferrets- sickly, weak creatures bred for nowt but colour and coat. They consider their ferrets 'old' by the time they reach five years. They are rife with health issues. Our ferrets will go the same way if we don't stick to breeding worker to worker fas our breeding criteria.

All I can see is an angora going down and coming back up as a chilled, sodden muddy lump. With no undercoat they have no insulation. If their guardhairs stripped out they would have even less.

[Malt 379]

Leeview- It is well know that full angoras can't suckle their young. I've heard it confirmed by breeders of the useless things. I'm not sure what shedding has to do with this, though. Have I missed something?

I've never seen one,touched one or bred one so its not well known to myself but you have had it confirmed by breeders, as for shedding coat prior to whelping thats what my jills do dont yours?

Y.I.S Leeview

 

I would be suprised if a stinker didn't shed and pluck its fur before having a litter, and assumed that angoras would also. I don't think it has any bearing on their ability to feed the young, though. They just can't produce enough milk to do the job.

As I understood it shedding coat was to enable the kits to be able to find the nipples I cant see why a long haired animal cant produce enough milk as opposed to a short or smooth haired animal akita's,afghan hounds,malamutes and even poodles seem to manage

Y.I.S Leeview

 

Aye, I would say you understand that right. It's not the long hair itself causes a problem- it's just that in this particular case, there is a link between the gene that codes for long hair and whatever gene codes for an inability to produce ample milk. At least, that is my understanding of it. There are a number of other issues associated with angoras - cleft nose, often skittish temperament, and I've heard from some, a shortened lifespan. Similar to the way in which certain coat colours are linked to the health of some animals- like some varieties of brindle mice, the males of which colouring invariably die before they are weaned.

 

Interestingly, Akitas and Mals have the same 'double coat' with an underfur and guard hairs that standard ferrets have. And there is some nut in the US who has recently developed 'curly' coated ferrets...they look mangey. :sick:

 

Thank god you answered that one, Leeview and myself have had our fair share of 'discussions' over genetics in the past...

 

PS. No disrespect intended Leeview, I've no wish to start another debate...

Edited July 16, 2010 by maltenby

[para pete 15]

For those who see Angoras as a money making operation, be aware that Angora jills do not produce sufficient milk to rear their kits successfully, so the kits have to be fostered to a nursing ferret jill. Plus, even breeding two full Angoras together will only produce one or two Angora kits in a litter. The rest of the kits will look like regular ferrts, but may have many or most of the detrimental Angoras genetics. I don't know of any knowledgeable, ethical ferret breeders who would even consider breeding ferrets with such poor genetics nor any ferret organization which approves of breeding them.

 

oh great , another one :wallbash:i have had 3 litters of angras now and have had no probs with lack of milk and have not have two have a seprate jill to look after the kits and tey have all been fine