If its in them, it'll come out

[Ideation 8,216]

Jackers are born from the actions of people not the actions of dogs.

[undisputed 1,664]

Some interesting thoughts & opinions here so here's my 2 bobs worth. The main cause of jacking is a combination of being entered to early and not giving the dog enough time to recover from injuries. In my opinion a dog shouldn't be near the 'bigger stuff' until it's at least 2yr old. To many folk in a hurry and being taken in by the rubbish that gets spouted in here. Aye there might be dogs that do well at an early age but in my own experience these are the exception rather than the rule. I wonder how many of these dogs make it into their dotage or stay with the one owner.

[whin 463]

saw a few bull crosses and other types ,jack ,now mostly on big chases and when its a bit warm ,but alots down to entering ,for non biting qaurry years ago when it was all above bored i expect a dog to do the nessasary long before hees 2 and would be worried if he wasnt showing good form by 14 15 months ,now for biting qaurry something that to me take it or leave it,as i cant barter it sell it, ive had dogs from the word go were nuts on anything others got spoled early then came back later as they matured into adults ,most dogs would jack under me unless blessed with good saluk in blood for the land i run at one time or another you get the odd stars who are made that way ,but in general big runs all the time if the dogs not got the ability well they will soon rate there qaurry which is no good at times ,i think breding of sound stock helps and aclever understanding of the qaurry you chase ,makes a good dog

[genuine 81]

saw a few bull crosses and other types ,jack ,now mostly on big chases and when its a bit warm ,but alots down to entering ,for non biting qaurry years ago when it was all above bored i expect a dog to do the nessasary long before hees 2 and would be worried if he wasnt showing good form by 14 15 months ,now for biting qaurry something that to me take it or leave it,as i cant barter it sell it, ive had dogs from the word go were nuts on anything others got spoled early then came back later as they matured into adults ,most dogs would jack under me unless blessed with good saluk in blood for the land i run at one time or another you get the odd stars who are made that way ,but in general big runs all the time if the dogs not got the ability well they will soon rate there qaurry which is no good at times ,i think breding of sound stock helps and aclever understanding of the qaurry you chase ,makes a good dog

 

Honest post mate!

 

people are saying 12 months like i said in my first post,that dog wasnt mine mine seen nothing alive single handed until about 20months to 2 years because i thought she wasnt ready! i was right, but then we have different dogs that mature differently enter the field earlier etc anywhere from 12months depending on the owner and dog has got to be the correct form for this!

[merle24 61]

"Dogs have a Brain and instincts,, it may take some time before there TRUE instincts come through,, it is the better dog men who can work a dog not just physically but mentally to bring out the best in them faster,, why do you think there is so many point and shoot dogs out about today like the bullx,, you dont need bond or skills or a brain to enter a bullx just point and shoot,, these dogs may enter fast and take to the game quick ,, they look good for a season or so , but they oftern have a very short working life,, they are prone to ingury and oftern a liability around livestock,, other well bred lurchers bred for the job, may take longer to enter or mature but they will excell and work with consistant style and anticipation of quarry,, therefore they are less prone to injury and have a longer time in the working feild,, all the best Merle".

 

Merle, your first point, which I have highlighted is spot on. The rest is the most 'generalised' claptrap I have read on here in a while, thanks for posting!!

 

Dan, again bang on!

Every time i see a post from him you just know its a bull x slag, a rabbiter talking about his experiances with game dogs.

 

You and Bosum or whoever should go and follow the rest of the sheep in the lurcher world with youre bully handbags,, you can mention anyother cross, but not the bull x haha just shows,, nothing wrong with this cross at all my own dog has bull in him,, take a look around you and have a look how long they stay good at the job compared to a well line bred lurcher,, i dont run quarry that bites back very oftern , but i know lads that do both kind,,and they have 2 and a half year old bullxs ready for the knackers yard mate,, you get on some good land with them and see what wind they got mate,, ive seen so called good xs jack on good land where they need wind, why people seem to see the need to cause a argument i dont know,, they are very quick to the gun whenever this x is mentioned,, i carnt be arsed to type anymore,, keep following the sheep lads, you might click in ten years, afterall some click faster than others lol.

[Kye 77]

The best sighthound ive ever had was started on rabbits and Hares,...when we moved to the Mid-West, and i went 'Raccoon-Crazy', he soon learnt what teeth and claws can do!..lol.

 

I swear, the first 20-30 Coon he saw, he would act like a Collie on sheep..lol...barking, running around them etc...one night, the penny dropped!..ever since then, he is bang on, straight on the business end, and he is the same with Coyotes and other heavy game...he has killed HUNDREDS of Raccoon, and out of all the dogs on my yard right now, he started the WORST, and IS the best right now...

 

Kye..

[Bosun11 537]

"Dogs have a Brain and instincts,, it may take some time before there TRUE instincts come through,, it is the better dog men who can work a dog not just physically but mentally to bring out the best in them faster,, why do you think there is so many point and shoot dogs out about today like the bullx,, you dont need bond or skills or a brain to enter a bullx just point and shoot,, these dogs may enter fast and take to the game quick ,, they look good for a season or so , but they oftern have a very short working life,, they are prone to ingury and oftern a liability around livestock,, other well bred lurchers bred for the job, may take longer to enter or mature but they will excell and work with consistant style and anticipation of quarry,, therefore they are less prone to injury and have a longer time in the working feild,, all the best Merle".

 

Merle, your first point, which I have highlighted is spot on. The rest is the most 'generalised' claptrap I have read on here in a while, thanks for posting!!

 

Dan, again bang on!

Every time i see a post from him you just know its a bull x slag, a rabbiter talking about his experiances with game dogs.

 

You and Bosum or whoever should go and follow the rest of the sheep in the lurcher world with youre bully handbags,, you can mention anyother cross, but not the bull x haha just shows,, nothing wrong with this cross at all my own dog has bull in him,, take a look around you and have a look how long they stay good at the job compared to a well line bred lurcher,, i dont run quarry that bites back very oftern , but i know lads that do both kind,,and they have 2 and a half year old bullxs ready for the knackers yard mate,, you get on some good land with them and see what wind they got mate,, ive seen so called good xs jack on good land where they need wind, why people seem to see the need to cause a argument i dont know,, they are very quick to the gun whenever this x is mentioned,, i carnt be arsed to type anymore,, keep following the sheep lads, you might click in ten years, afterall some click faster than others lol.

 

Ok Merle, thats your point.

 

Now lets look at the facts:

 

No one on this thred mentioned any type of cross, until YOU mentioned bull crosses.

 

No one was trying to cause any type of argument but YOU, I think folk chose not to mention any type of cross for fear of starting one!

 

As for being a sheep, then maybe I am, as I certainly wasn't the first to own a bull cross BUT for the 18 years or so I have, i'd like to think I've done enough with mine, to know what one is capable of and I'm not just talking about (as you said) quarry that bites back. My dogs have been as diverse as to be used regular with ferrets, long net and on shoots. They have been much more than 'handbags'!

The thing is, you don't know me yet are so quick to judge. I've kept various lurchers for much longer than i've had bull stuff, ran most types. If I was to favour any particular type it would be the lurcher to lurcher cross, which i've always owned alongside the bulls.

I gather you favour collie blooded dogs? I've owned an ran few, F1's, 3/4's and 5/8ths and plenty of dogs heavily infused with pastoral blood, owned some good un's, seen some crackers, the best of which was a Hancock but you'll never see me jump on any thred and pull 'em to bits, I usually try avoid bull threds BUT thats why I posted on your comments on bull crosses... far far to 'general'.

All crosses have their good and bad points but what are to some may not be to others but to generalise and bad mouth any type just for the few you've seen....?

Anyways i'm off, to take my lurcher x lurcher for a walk and see if I can 'click' a bit faster, 10 years is much to long for me, maybe i'll never get 'it'?

 

[merle24 61]

"Dogs have a Brain and instincts,, it may take some time before there TRUE instincts come through,, it is the better dog men who can work a dog not just physically but mentally to bring out the best in them faster,, why do you think there is so many point and shoot dogs out about today like the bullx,, you dont need bond or skills or a brain to enter a bullx just point and shoot,, these dogs may enter fast and take to the game quick ,, they look good for a season or so , but they oftern have a very short working life,, they are prone to ingury and oftern a liability around livestock,, other well bred lurchers bred for the job, may take longer to enter or mature but they will excell and work with consistant style and anticipation of quarry,, therefore they are less prone to injury and have a longer time in the working feild,, all the best Merle".

 

Merle, your first point, which I have highlighted is spot on. The rest is the most 'generalised' claptrap I have read on here in a while, thanks for posting!!

 

Dan, again bang on!

Every time i see a post from him you just know its a bull x slag, a rabbiter talking about his experiances with game dogs.

 

You and Bosum or whoever should go and follow the rest of the sheep in the lurcher world with youre bully handbags,, you can mention anyother cross, but not the bull x haha just shows,, nothing wrong with this cross at all my own dog has bull in him,, take a look around you and have a look how long they stay good at the job compared to a well line bred lurcher,, i dont run quarry that bites back very oftern , but i know lads that do both kind,,and they have 2 and a half year old bullxs ready for the knackers yard mate,, you get on some good land with them and see what wind they got mate,, ive seen so called good xs jack on good land where they need wind, why people seem to see the need to cause a argument i dont know,, they are very quick to the gun whenever this x is mentioned,, i carnt be arsed to type anymore,, keep following the sheep lads, you might click in ten years, afterall some click faster than others lol.

 

Ok Merle, thats your point.

 

Now lets look at the facts:

 

No one on this thred mentioned any type of cross, until YOU mentioned bull crosses.

 

No one was trying to cause any type of argument but YOU, I think folk chose not to mention any type of cross for fear of starting one!

 

As for being a sheep, then maybe I am, as I certainly wasn't the first to own a bull cross BUT for the 18 years or so I have, i'd like to think I've done enough with mine, to know what one is capable of and I'm not just talking about (as you said) quarry that bites back. My dogs have been as diverse as to be used regular with ferrets, long net and on shoots. They have been much more than 'handbags'!

The thing is, you don't know me yet are so quick to judge. I've kept various lurchers for much longer than i've had bull stuff, ran most types. If I was to favour any particular type it would be the lurcher to lurcher cross, which i've always owned alongside the bulls.

I gather you favour collie blooded dogs? I've owned an ran few, F1's, 3/4's and 5/8ths and plenty of dogs heavily infused with pastoral blood, owned some good un's, seen some crackers, the best of which was a Hancock but you'll never see me jump on any thred and pull 'em to bits, I usually try avoid bull threds BUT thats why I posted on your comments on bull crosses... far far to 'general'.

All crosses have their good and bad points but what are to some may not be to others but to generalise and bad mouth any type just for the few you've seen....?

Anyways i'm off, to take my lurcher x lurcher for a walk and see if I can 'click' a bit faster, 10 years is much to long for me, maybe i'll never get 'it'?

 

 

Yeah aint we all.

[Guest stewie]

works both ways if theres good dogs in the line it will show but at the same time shit dogs in the line can show there credits aswell

[owl1 13]

good point kye 20-30 is good practice though mate these here talkin bout jackers havent gave the dog ote to work with to be good at somethin youve got to practice more quarry more experience!!!!

[COSH 14]

ok, what about the dogs that would rather die trying? Like the game dogs of old lol surely this do or die attitude still literally exists? or do we no longer posses animals of that calibre?

 

that thought aside, a keen lad I know his young dog saw far more than it should have at a young age between 7 and 12 months, however it showed the same keenness then as it does now but is not as reckless with it as the technique is there. dont think this dog would have jacked, could be wrong tho, was always given the time to heal. many a time it would disapear and return later or next day with serious signs of contact, the dog is never satisfied until it has done the deed. id bet money that if you put it on a tiger, it would give it a damn good shot. this dog was bred from a good long line of similar dogs on its dams side, the sires side was 50% traceable game dogs and the other half racing greyhounds. I firmly belive breeding the best to the best is the only way to go, dogs for the job.

[Dan Edwards 1,134]

Just cuz a dog dies tryin DOES NOT mean it is game. Sure it may have died before it quit that time cuz it was killed but what about next time. Gameness is the most talked about trait and the least ever seen. Its a bunch of bullshit really.

[COSH 14]

Just cuz a dog dies tryin DOES NOT mean it is game. Sure it may have died before it quit that time cuz it was killed but what about next time. Gameness is the most talked about trait and the least ever seen. Its a bunch of bullshit really.

I know what your saying Dan, but im talking about GAME dogs here ok (not mine). Now, I work running dogs myself have done all my life of various breeding. I enter them based on the individual dog, I try to show them a good taste of what their life will be about by about 10-12 months old, after this first time I will decide wether or not the dog will need holding back or seeing a bit more. I run various game, and like an all round lurcher, some fail to make my standard, but im prepared to wait until 2 possibly even 3 for the finished article if I belive its in the dog. I wouldnt call any of my dogs GAME dogs.

[Casso 1,261]

Just cuz a dog dies tryin DOES NOT mean it is game. Sure it may have died before it quit that time cuz it was killed but what about next time. Gameness is the most talked about trait and the least ever seen. Its a bunch of bullshit really.

I know what your saying Dan, but im talking about GAME dogs here ok (not mine). Now, I work running dogs myself have done all my life of various breeding. I enter them based on the individual dog, I try to show them a good taste of what their life will be about by about 10-12 months old, after this first time I will decide wether or not the dog will need holding back or seeing a bit more. I run various game, and like an all round lurcher, some fail to make my standard, but im prepared to wait until 2 possibly even 3 for the finished article if I belive its in the dog. I wouldnt call any of my dogs GAME dogs.

 

 

Not sure how game dogs need to be, on this side of the pond , we just havent the quarry available to test a dog proper,, high prey drive is not the same as gameness,,i've met a lot of lads who seem to think their animals are game, when in all honesty , they havent got a clue ,

[COSH 14]

Not sure how game dogs need to be, on this side of the pond , we just havent the quarry available to test a dog proper,, high prey drive is not the same as gameness,,i've met a lot of lads who seem to think their animals are game, when in all honesty , they havent got a clue ,

What would you class as a game dog? and why would they be on the other side of the pond and not this? So your saying its impossible to have game dogs here because we dont have the stuff to test them?

Id go as far as saying, your the one who hasnt got a clue, sorry