If its in them, it'll come out

[Casso 1,261]

i can understand a pup jacking after taking a hammering if started a bit too young on certain quarry, but there are running dogs out there , who were probably entered a bit young , took a bit of stick first time out and probably didn't look that promising , who then went on to excell in the game, In Saying that, I believe that some dogs will either do, certain quarry, or not , whatever the initial encounter was like, ??, Any experiences for or against this argument,,

[bulldog2 32]

i have a bullx bitch now and she is 2 and a half i bought her at 3 months old . then personal reasons i had 2 sale my dogs . so i got rid of her at 4 months old . 2 a freind of mine on the condition if she didtnt make the grade she cum back 2 me . then when she was 15months old my freind phoned me and said he wasnt happy with her she wouldnt do what he wanted her 4. i was so shocked that she wouldn do it i gave him my best bull x in exchange 4 her . 3months later my freind and i went lamping and he coulnt believe it was the same dog and said if he new she was gana turn out like she did he woulnt have got rid of her. so it just shows ya that sum dogs take longer than others 2 click but in my view if a dog aint doing what you want it 4 by 18 19 moths it never wil i could be wrong im no expert thats just my view on the mater cheers lads.

[merle24 61]

i have a bullx bitch now and she is 2 and a half i bought her at 3 months old . then personal reasons i had 2 sale my dogs . so i got rid of her at 4 months old . 2 a freind of mine on the condition if she didtnt make the grade she cum back 2 me . then when she was 15months old my freind phoned me and said he wasnt happy with her she wouldnt do what he wanted her 4. i was so shocked that she wouldn do it i gave him my best bull x in exchange 4 her . 3months later my freind and i went lamping and he coulnt believe it was the same dog and said if he new she was gana turn out like she did he woulnt have got rid of her. so it just shows ya that sum dogs take longer than others 2 click but in my view if a dog aint doing what you want it 4 by 18 19 moths it never wil i could be wrong im no expert thats just my view on the mater cheers lads.

 

Alot of people seem to think that dogs are just 4 legged machines, that either do a job or dont,, they oftern get rid of dogs o the first whim before they have had chance to show there colours,, and then later find out that the dog came good,,, If youre talking rabbits and or hare coursing, it pretty obvious in there first season if they have what it takes to be good at the job,, they will then only get better ( to a cartain age lol),,, I no expert at hunting stuff which bite back, and other bigger quarry but i know of a good few dogs that have not took to bigger stuff untill they were 2 or 3 years old,, this is oftern after they have been passed on.

Dogs have a Brain and instincts,, it may take some time before there TRUE instincts come through,, it is the better dog men who can work a dog not just physically but mentally to bring out the best in them faster,, why do you think there is so many point and shoot dogs out about today like the bullx,, you dont need bond or skills or a brain to enter a bullx just point and shoot,, these dogs may enter fast and take to the game quick ,, they look good for a season or so , but they oftern have a very short working life,, they are prone to ingury and oftern a liability around livestock,, other well bred lurchers bred for the job, may take longer to enter or mature but they will excell and work with consistant style and anticipation of quarry,, therefore they are less prone to injury and have a longer time in the working feild,, all the best Merle.

[Trigger 26]

i can understand a pup jacking after taking a hammering if started a bit too young on certain quarry, but there are running dogs out there , who were probably entered a bit young , took a bit of stick first time out and probably didn't look that promising , who then went on to excell in the game, In Saying that, I believe that some dogs will either do, certain quarry, or not , whatever the initial encounter was like, ??, Any experiences for or against this argument,,

i agree that some dogs will either do some quarry or they wont.

[genuine 81]

The dog needs time to learn the technique,the correct place to take the grip so they dont take as much punishment! Alot of dogs do jack because of inexperienced owners and not brought on the correct way! Its works both ways some start young and jack heres my experience! A good mate of mine a member on here bought a pup off well proven parents from a well known lurcher bloke both dogs were sigle handed very strong dogs! The dog matured fast and was smashing foxes (ETC) for fun between 12-18 months was one hell of a bitch! Then she jacked out of the blue she was never over worked she just seem to be a machine and done the job well! One night we decided to go lamping and the bitch ran along side barking didnt attempt to put in a strike she was tried over a few months and the same happend again and again for no reason! She was given to a lad that wanted her for rabbiting which she was good at! 4 years on and he was in contact with the breeder just too see how the rest of the litter got on and suprise suprise all the litter started strong and jacked! No fault of his the dam and sire were very well proven! they either have it or havent!

[Casso 1,261]

<BR>The dog needs time to learn the technique,the correct place to take the grip so they dont take as much punishment! Alot of dogs do jack because of inexperienced owners and not brought on the correct way! Its works both ways some start young and jack heres my experience! A good mate of mine a member on here bought a pup off well proven parents from a well known lurcher bloke both dogs were sigle handed very strong dogs! The dog matured fast and was smashing foxes (ETC) for fun between 12-18 months was one hell of a bitch! Then she jacked out of the blue she was never over worked she just seem to be a machine and done the job well! One night we decided to go lamping and the bitch ran along side barking didnt attempt to put in a strike she was tried over a few months and the same happend again and again for no reason! She was given to a lad that wanted her for rabbiting which she was good at! 4 years on and he was in contact with the breeder just too see how the rest of the litter got on and suprise suprise all the litter started strong and jacked! No fault of his the dam and sire were very well proven! they either have it or havent!....Thanks lads, well thats a first for me , that the litter started strong and all jacked, i've only seen it in reverse order, ;you just dont know,;you pick a pup and take a chance,

Edited July 12, 2010 by Casso

[Dan Edwards 1,134]

Jacking is caused by too much work. That "overwork" maybe be one critter or 500 critters. It will all depend on the dog. All dogs will jack, you just have to know what standards you can accept and which ones you cannot. Go to the well too many times, too often and the sumbitchin thing will be dry. Give it some time to come back and some of them will and some wont. It all depends on the dog.

Edited July 12, 2010 by Dan Edwards

[J Darcy 5,871]

As with alot of working stock, when you look at things objectively, there really is no rush. Take it easy in their first season and they have the rest of their lives to become 'great'.

But it's each to their own.

[genuine 81]

Yeah may sound wierd mate was a 1st for me too and at least the breeder was upfront and said here mate i just dont know the whole little jacked from proven dogs! He could have filled him full of shit and said oh your dog was the only one and said it could be a fault of your own but not 7 pups!

[Bosun11 537]

"Dogs have a Brain and instincts,, it may take some time before there TRUE instincts come through,, it is the better dog men who can work a dog not just physically but mentally to bring out the best in them faster,, why do you think there is so many point and shoot dogs out about today like the bullx,, you dont need bond or skills or a brain to enter a bullx just point and shoot,, these dogs may enter fast and take to the game quick ,, they look good for a season or so , but they oftern have a very short working life,, they are prone to ingury and oftern a liability around livestock,, other well bred lurchers bred for the job, may take longer to enter or mature but they will excell and work with consistant style and anticipation of quarry,, therefore they are less prone to injury and have a longer time in the working feild,, all the best Merle".

 

Merle, your first point, which I have highlighted is spot on. The rest is the most 'generalised' claptrap I have read on here in a while, thanks for posting!!

 

Dan, again bang on!

[bird 9,941]

Jacking is caused by too much work. That "overwork" maybe be one critter or 500 critters. It will all depend on the dog. All dogs will jack, you just have to know what standards you can accept and which ones you cannot. Go to the well too many times, too often and the sumbitchin thing will be dry. Give it some time to come back and some of them will and some wont. It all depends on the dog.

yep, all will jack if you push'em hard enough some a bit quicker than others.

[dark snipe 0]

"Dogs have a Brain and instincts,, it may take some time before there TRUE instincts come through,, it is the better dog men who can work a dog not just physically but mentally to bring out the best in them faster,, why do you think there is so many point and shoot dogs out about today like the bullx,, you dont need bond or skills or a brain to enter a bullx just point and shoot,, these dogs may enter fast and take to the game quick ,, they look good for a season or so , but they oftern have a very short working life,, they are prone to ingury and oftern a liability around livestock,, other well bred lurchers bred for the job, may take longer to enter or mature but they will excell and work with consistant style and anticipation of quarry,, therefore they are less prone to injury and have a longer time in the working feild,, all the best Merle".

 

Merle, your first point, which I have highlighted is spot on. The rest is the most 'generalised' claptrap I have read on here in a while, thanks for posting!!

 

Dan, again bang on!

Every time i see a post from him you just know its a bull x slag, a rabbiter talking about his experiances with game dogs.

[genuine 81]

"Dogs have a Brain and instincts,, it may take some time before there TRUE instincts come through,, it is the better dog men who can work a dog not just physically but mentally to bring out the best in them faster,, why do you think there is so many point and shoot dogs out about today like the bullx,, you dont need bond or skills or a brain to enter a bullx just point and shoot,, these dogs may enter fast and take to the game quick ,, they look good for a season or so , but they oftern have a very short working life,, they are prone to ingury and oftern a liability around livestock,, other well bred lurchers bred for the job, may take longer to enter or mature but they will excell and work with consistant style and anticipation of quarry,, therefore they are less prone to injury and have a longer time in the working feild,, all the best Merle".Merle, your first point, which I have highlighted is spot on. The rest is the most 'generalised' claptrap I have read on here in a while, thanks for posting!! Dan, again bang on!

 

Im gathering that just your opinion i gave an example of how its not always owners even thoguh the majority are useless dont mean its always there fault! If the whole litter jacks and that would be your opinion i think your a genius! I agree with everything said mines only example of not always owners fault! As for the claptrap you keep reading i find it the same with all the sheep in here

[Dan Edwards 1,134]

Wasnt he speakin to the merle fella and not you?

[Bosun11 537]

"Dogs have a Brain and instincts,, it may take some time before there TRUE instincts come through,, it is the better dog men who can work a dog not just physically but mentally to bring out the best in them faster,, why do you think there is so many point and shoot dogs out about today like the bullx,, you dont need bond or skills or a brain to enter a bullx just point and shoot,, these dogs may enter fast and take to the game quick ,, they look good for a season or so , but they oftern have a very short working life,, they are prone to ingury and oftern a liability around livestock,, other well bred lurchers bred for the job, may take longer to enter or mature but they will excell and work with consistant style and anticipation of quarry,, therefore they are less prone to injury and have a longer time in the working feild,, all the best Merle".Merle, your first point, which I have highlighted is spot on. The rest is the most 'generalised' claptrap I have read on here in a while, thanks for posting!! Dan, again bang on!

 

Im gathering that just your opinion i gave an example of how its not always owners even thoguh the majority are useless dont mean its always there fault! If the whole litter jacks and that would be your opinion i think your a genius! I agree with everything said mines only example of not always owners fault! As for the claptrap you keep reading i find it the same with all the sheep in here

 

Genuine, i'm unsure if you think the comments on bullx's came from me, they didn't, I copied and pasted some of Merles post, where, to me he generalised the cross.

 

Your comments on your first post I agree with, interesting on a whole litter, i've seen and owned jackers out of excellent parentage, fecking heartbreaking when you've raised them from balls of fluff and brought entered them right, i've posted on this before, you must have missed it?

 

My opinion is that if you look to the best parentage and if you can go back further, you will reduce your chances of having a jacker, that said and it can and does happen in the best of lines, though hopefully not near as frequent.

You can sicken any living thing and with dogs some much easier than others. Pushing too hard, too soon, on a young hopeful is an easy one.