pup with undershot jaw

[CarraghsGem 92]

  On 10/07/2010 at 23:15, wetdogsmell said:

  On 10/07/2010 at 23:02, CarraghsGem said:

personally, if i were attached to the pup i would demand at least a 50% refund from the breeder he should have picked up on the fault and culled the pup. i would never breed from that pup (or any out of those parents) breeding from animals with clear birth defects should never be condoned and anyone who does condone it needs their head looking at. i hope your mate finds another pup from a better breeder.

maybe the next time he will give the pup a full checkover before he buys.

 

i don't agree with that mate, i've seen great working dogs with defects like that, i'd rather breed from them than a cur with a good mouth

 

i wouldnt breed from any dog with an undershot jaw + i wouldnt breed from the cur either...... you really shouldnt breed ANYTHING including yourself if your standards are that low.

[slingshot82 32]

  On 10/07/2010 at 23:15, wetdogsmell said:

  On 10/07/2010 at 23:02, CarraghsGem said:

personally, if i were attached to the pup i would demand at least a 50% refund from the breeder he should have picked up on the fault and culled the pup. i would never breed from that pup (or any out of those parents) breeding from animals with clear birth defects should never be condoned and anyone who does condone it needs their head looking at. i hope your mate finds another pup from a better breeder.

maybe the next time he will give the pup a full checkover before he buys.

 

i don't agree with that mate, i've seen great working dogs with defects like that, i'd rather breed from them than a cur with a good mouth

I dont agree either! Its down to the buyer to notice the pup is undershot, not the breeder to point it out! And as for culling it, why??????????? Not all dogs are bred for shows, and it wont stop them working!

I had a Russell that was undershot (my ex has him) and it DOES NOT affect their working ability, he has a seriously strong mouth and amazing grip.

 

Kyle

[poacherkev 64]

  On 10/07/2010 at 23:04, hunterside said:

  On 10/07/2010 at 22:49, poacherkev said:

Ive been a judge at a few shows for the lurchers and the terriers and when i judge its done on their working ability not on it looking pritty !!! if your mates that upset over winning a 50p rosette tell him to go and show at crufts with all the other tw**s. Undershot jaws will not stop a dog from doing it job ive been out with some lurchers lamping thats had bad undershot jaws and they still pick up the same as any other dog. He can also still breed from it as it dont always pass back to the pups and as for puting it to sleep because of it thats just stupid.

Tell him to get out there and work it if thats what he got it for

Look at this senario,if you went to pick a pup and you seen the bitch was undershot,would you still pick a pup or walk away?

ok you got me there on that one !!!!but as he now has it he needs to just get on with it and if it turns out to be crap just give it away as a pet to some granny But i bet once it starts doing the business he will think he has the best pup in town.

All the best with it anyway............

[shotgunandy 2]

a good friend of mine (whippetmike on here) has a patterdale x jack russell bitch with an undershot jaw and she is by far and away the best all round terrier i have seen. she works rabbit, rat and fox. she will never be a show winner but ym god shes a grafter, would be happy to put her in my kennel any day

[wetdogsmell 99]

  On 10/07/2010 at 23:23, CarraghsGem said:

  On 10/07/2010 at 23:15, wetdogsmell said:

  On 10/07/2010 at 23:02, CarraghsGem said:

personally, if i were attached to the pup i would demand at least a 50% refund from the breeder he should have picked up on the fault and culled the pup. i would never breed from that pup (or any out of those parents) breeding from animals with clear birth defects should never be condoned and anyone who does condone it needs their head looking at. i hope your mate finds another pup from a better breeder.

maybe the next time he will give the pup a full checkover before he buys.

 

i don't agree with that mate, i've seen great working dogs with defects like that, i'd rather breed from them than a cur with a good mouth

 

i wouldnt breed from any dog with an undershot jaw + i wouldnt breed from the cur either...... you really shouldnt breed ANYTHING including yourself if your standards are that low.

spoken like a true prick, i've never breed from an under shot dog myself but if was a great worker it and a line i wanted to use i would rather than breed from a show pony with a lovely set of choppers, i just realised what time and night it is, you must be one off those internet hard men full off beer

[CarraghsGem 92]

its the breeders responsibility to sell healthy pups free from deformity, any one who breeds a litter so irresponsibly is only a peddler. all i see here are piss-poor examples of wannabe breeders trying to blame their money grabbing puppy farming on the buyer.

[slingshot82 32]

  On 10/07/2010 at 23:31, wetdogsmell said:

  On 10/07/2010 at 23:23, CarraghsGem said:

  On 10/07/2010 at 23:15, wetdogsmell said:

  On 10/07/2010 at 23:02, CarraghsGem said:

personally, if i were attached to the pup i would demand at least a 50% refund from the breeder he should have picked up on the fault and culled the pup. i would never breed from that pup (or any out of those parents) breeding from animals with clear birth defects should never be condoned and anyone who does condone it needs their head looking at. i hope your mate finds another pup from a better breeder.

maybe the next time he will give the pup a full checkover before he buys.

 

i don't agree with that mate, i've seen great working dogs with defects like that, i'd rather breed from them than a cur with a good mouth

 

i wouldnt breed from any dog with an undershot jaw + i wouldnt breed from the cur either...... you really shouldnt breed ANYTHING including yourself if your standards are that low.

spoken like a true prick, i've never breed from an under shot dog myself but if was a great worker it and a line i wanted to use i would rather than breed from a show pony with a lovely set of choppers, i just realised what time and night it is, you must be one off those internet hard men full off beer

He is actually a SHE mate lol

 

Kyle

[wetdogsmell 99]

  On 10/07/2010 at 23:35, slingshot82 said:

  On 10/07/2010 at 23:31, wetdogsmell said:

  On 10/07/2010 at 23:23, CarraghsGem said:

  On 10/07/2010 at 23:15, wetdogsmell said:

  On 10/07/2010 at 23:02, CarraghsGem said:

personally, if i were attached to the pup i would demand at least a 50% refund from the breeder he should have picked up on the fault and culled the pup. i would never breed from that pup (or any out of those parents) breeding from animals with clear birth defects should never be condoned and anyone who does condone it needs their head looking at. i hope your mate finds another pup from a better breeder.

maybe the next time he will give the pup a full checkover before he buys.

 

i don't agree with that mate, i've seen great working dogs with defects like that, i'd rather breed from them than a cur with a good mouth

 

i wouldnt breed from any dog with an undershot jaw + i wouldnt breed from the cur either...... you really shouldnt breed ANYTHING including yourself if your standards are that low.

spoken like a true prick, i've never breed from an under shot dog myself but if was a great worker it and a line i wanted to use i would rather than breed from a show pony with a lovely set of choppers, i just realised what time and night it is, you must be one off those internet hard men full off beer

He is actually a SHE mate lol

 

Kyle

just noticed that and sorry for the "prick" and "internet hard man" comment i should have said dumb hooker

[CarraghsGem 92]

  On 10/07/2010 at 23:39, wetdogsmell said:

  On 10/07/2010 at 23:35, slingshot82 said:

  On 10/07/2010 at 23:31, wetdogsmell said:

  On 10/07/2010 at 23:23, CarraghsGem said:

  On 10/07/2010 at 23:15, wetdogsmell said:

  On 10/07/2010 at 23:02, CarraghsGem said:

personally, if i were attached to the pup i would demand at least a 50% refund from the breeder he should have picked up on the fault and culled the pup. i would never breed from that pup (or any out of those parents) breeding from animals with clear birth defects should never be condoned and anyone who does condone it needs their head looking at. i hope your mate finds another pup from a better breeder.

maybe the next time he will give the pup a full checkover before he buys.

 

i don't agree with that mate, i've seen great working dogs with defects like that, i'd rather breed from them than a cur with a good mouth

 

i wouldnt breed from any dog with an undershot jaw + i wouldnt breed from the cur either...... you really shouldnt breed ANYTHING including yourself if your standards are that low.

spoken like a true prick, i've never breed from an under shot dog myself but if was a great worker it and a line i wanted to use i would rather than breed from a show pony with a lovely set of choppers, i just realised what time and night it is, you must be one off those internet hard men full off beer

He is actually a SHE mate lol

 

Kyle

just noticed that and sorry for the "prick" and "internet hard man" comment i should have said dumb hooker

if i was a hooker an ugly f**k like you still couldnt afford me, go back to getting b.j's off retarded crack whores. goodnight.

[slingshot82 32]

  On 10/07/2010 at 23:34, CarraghsGem said:

its the breeders responsibility to sell healthy pups free from deformity, any one who breeds a litter so irresponsibly is only a peddler. all i see here are piss-poor examples of wannabe breeders trying to blame their money grabbing puppy farming on the buyer.

If being undershot is the only deformity (if thats what you want to call it) and the pup or pups were otherwise healthy, I wouldnt dream of culling. If breeding show stuff then yes possibly cull, but certainly not for pups that will be going to working homes where they will do REAL terrier work.

 

Kyle

[CarraghsGem 92]

if you are unable to breed working stock that are free from deformity then it is you the problem lies with, i dont breed show stock. and i definately do not breed from animals with any visible deformity.

including;- undershot/overshot jaws, cryptorchism, cleft palate, luxation of the patella and a whole pile more im to tired to think of at the moment.

 

now im off to bed.

[wetdogsmell 99]

  On 10/07/2010 at 23:43, CarraghsGem said:

  On 10/07/2010 at 23:39, wetdogsmell said:

  On 10/07/2010 at 23:35, slingshot82 said:

  On 10/07/2010 at 23:31, wetdogsmell said:

  On 10/07/2010 at 23:23, CarraghsGem said:

  On 10/07/2010 at 23:15, wetdogsmell said:

  On 10/07/2010 at 23:02, CarraghsGem said:

personally, if i were attached to the pup i would demand at least a 50% refund from the breeder he should have picked up on the fault and culled the pup. i would never breed from that pup (or any out of those parents) breeding from animals with clear birth defects should never be condoned and anyone who does condone it needs their head looking at. i hope your mate finds another pup from a better breeder.

maybe the next time he will give the pup a full checkover before he buys.

 

i don't agree with that mate, i've seen great working dogs with defects like that, i'd rather breed from them than a cur with a good mouth

 

i wouldnt breed from any dog with an undershot jaw + i wouldnt breed from the cur either...... you really shouldnt breed ANYTHING including yourself if your standards are that low.

spoken like a true prick, i've never breed from an under shot dog myself but if was a great worker it and a line i wanted to use i would rather than breed from a show pony with a lovely set of choppers, i just realised what time and night it is, you must be one off those internet hard men full off beer

He is actually a SHE mate lol

 

Kyle

just noticed that and sorry for the "prick" and "internet hard man" comment i should have said dumb hooker

if i was a hooker an ugly f**k like you still couldnt afford me, go back to getting b.j's off retarded crack whores. goodnight.

ha ha ha, firstly, lots of ugly fukks can afford hookers, most good looking people don't need to pay for sex

 

secondly, as for the retarded crack whore bit, tell your mother i said hello

ha ha ha ha ha, i love you realy even though you talk shite

[fireman 11,031]

I myself have a russell with a undershot jaw,niether of his parents had this "fault" but he is line bred to a point so both parents had to be carriers of the fault in their genes for it to surface.Now the line he's from is a well proven line of workers so to say never breed from the parents is wrong imo,don't repeat the mating but why stop breeding from either parents again?.All you have to do is be a little more carefull about the fault back ground with any terrier dog or bitch you use in the future to breed from and do some fecking homework on them and what they've produced before.

[Guest busterdog]

  On 10/07/2010 at 23:21, steve said:

undershot terriers can make great workers..in my experience terriers that are undershot are prone to losing some of the bottom row ..but this can also happen to terriers with a perfect mouth when out doing the job. as for breeding from her..yes you can..if it makes the grade and the blood line is right.. and why not. a terrier that is undershot is only a problem if the dog is a show type..even this sometimes does not matter if the judge is looking for a nice worker..which is usually rare nowadays .. hope this helps

 

 

Yes you can breed from a bitch or dog with a undershot jaw, it's unimportant to it's work and it's a recessive gene ( both parents have to carry the fault ), as long as you don't double up on the fault you should be ok. Why didn't you look at the pups mouth before you took it ?.

I've got two in my yard with bad mouths, it wont make any difference to there work and as long as they work right then i wont loose any sleep over it.

[TOPPER 1,809]

many years ago i had a red lakie bitch from a cotswold hunt with an undershot jaw but she turn out to be a cracker a hard terrier by any standard and i would never have dreamed of pts she served me well and after a few season it didnt matter anyway as she only had half a bottom jaw left and most of her nose was gone as well and for the record she had 2 litters and none of them had bad mouths