hip scores?

[ruthi 0]

Hi again all,

 

My partner went to look at pups the other day and the sire had hips of 3:34!!! His parents were both 0:0, as was the dam. Why could such an uneven score happen? The breeder hadn't had him from a pup so didn't know of injury, etc.

 

Partner's not going for a pup for obvious reasons, but it's got me thinking. Any ideas?

 

Ruth.

[rickyspringer 15]

I have got no idea about it, but one thing I know about is that dog shouldn't of been used at stud, thats disgraceful.

[druimmuir 1]

A dog is more than a set of hips but breeding from a dog with that score is shameless.....

[kiwi 4]

sounds more like injury rather than genetic's, what was the breed ?

[mackay 3,364]

sounds more like injury rather than genetic's, what was the breed ?

 

Agreed.

[canis lupus 1]

Theres been alot of descution about hips not being a hereditry thing, more a small % thats and a larger % food and exersice and up bringing.

Take my dog, he's not scored but his brother and sister are.

The sire was 6/3

the Dam was 13/5

Brother was 6/6

Sister was 10/9

nethew was 4/5

 

though with hip score like that, I wouldn't touch the puppie and I would have never bred from the sire it irrisponcable

[ruthi 0]

Yes, we said as much to the breeder! She didn't seem to know what hip scores were, despite working the dogs, which might explain why she went on to breed from the sire. Worrying. They were labrador pups, by the way.

 

Kiwi, interesting that some hips can be so uneven - injury or otherwise - could an injury cause that much difference in scores?

 

 

It's just so risky breeding from a sire like that and worrying that it seems to have happened. On the other hand, I know what you mean about there being a lot of the percentage from upbringing etc.

 

Still...3/34?!

 

Ruth.

[mackay 3,364]

Until it becomes compulsory to send all x rays of hips for scoring then we're not getting an accurate reading. A good vet will look at the plates and if the hips look as if they're going to score high then they advise against sending them as it's pointless to have a high hip score on your paper work. As a result the breed average is not in fact what it says it is, but is in fact an average of the good hips in a breed. You would see every breed average rise dramatically and get a more honest insight if all plates were sent for scoring.

[kiwi 4]

Yes, we said as much to the breeder! She didn't seem to know what hip scores were, despite working the dogs, which might explain why she went on to breed from the sire. Worrying. They were labrador pups, by the way.

 

Kiwi, interesting that some hips can be so uneven - injury or otherwise - could an injury cause that much difference in scores?

 

 

It's just so risky breeding from a sire like that and worrying that it seems to have happened. On the other hand, I know what you mean about there being a lot of the percentage from upbringing etc.

 

Still...3/34?!

 

Ruth.

i've recently had issues with hips after having a pup i bred show up with a weak back end, was a panic situation as i had just repeated the mating and had 8 pups a month old and the dogs sister at home,the owner came down for a few days hunting so i was able to see first hand the problem go from a slight gait issue to a druncken wobble as the dog tired,have since been through a major rollercoaster with alot of vets and different veiws, the common responce from the vets was 50/50 on the genetic's vrs injury,diet and over exercise,we have hip scored all our dogs and the sire was hip scored as well, end result after the first vet who looked at the young dog and stated HD was the cause was two more vets and x rays with hips coming back at 3/3, the problem was actually the front end of the dog and the result of a bad upbringing.

the young dog was actually a replacement for a pup sired by one of my dogs, that first dog had major over size issues and this young dog was also huge, turns out the owner was feeding them on the best dry food and limiting the pups movements so much to avoid over exercise that he was cause of the problem in the end.

if he was a car, the dog is running around with a truck chassis but with a cars wiring, hence the neck problems affecting his back end.....

[ruthi 0]

Until it becomes compulsory to send all x rays of hips for scoring then we're not getting an accurate reading. A good vet will look at the plates and if the hips look as if they're going to score high then they advise against sending them as it's pointless to have a high hip score on your paper work. As a result the breed average is not in fact what it says it is, but is in fact an average of the good hips in a breed. You would see every breed average rise dramatically and get a more honest insight if all plates were sent for scoring.

 

That's interesting...so vets can really say not to send the plates off?! Oh dear.

 

Kiwi, it's also interesting that all these things can affect how a dog's hips turn out...front end problems too, never thought of that.

 

Thanks for all the info - you've helped me understand it all a bit more than it just being numbers compared to a 12 total breed average!

 

Ruth