UFC 116 Lesnar v Carwin

[Lab 10,979]

So is it because he has not fought his way up the ranks that there is an issue with Brock then? Why would he need too? Dana White is not a millionaire for nothing, he knows how to pull the punters in

What if i happened to be the fastest 100m runner in the world but never tried entering the sport till today, would that make it wrong because i have not worked myself up through the ranks? No i'd be a world champion with world record.

Countless times you see boxing matches that you know is going to last 2 rounds max and you hear stuff like "another easy match for him then"...........i think they have given him a chance and he has proved what he can do, i dont think you need to start cage fighting a ten so you can say you have worked hard to get to the top.

[rob.i 26]

pound for pound big daddy or giant haystacks these guys these days are pussies compared to them

[andyfr1968 772]

pound for pound big daddy or giant haystacks these guys these days are pussies compared to them

 

I know Big Daddys brother. Top bloke, used to promote wrestling and boxing way back when....

[gnasher16 30,281]

So is it because he has not fought his way up the ranks that there is an issue with Brock then? Why would he need too? Dana White is not a millionaire for nothing, he knows how to pull the punters in

What if i happened to be the fastest 100m runner in the world but never tried entering the sport till today, would that make it wrong because i have not worked myself up through the ranks? No i'd be a world champion with world record.

Countless times you see boxing matches that you know is going to last 2 rounds max and you hear stuff like "another easy match for him then"...........i think they have given him a chance and he has proved what he can do, i dont think you need to start cage fighting a ten so you can say you have worked hard to get to the top.

 

 

Your missing the point mate....personally i think Lesnar is a fantastic athlete and has made the most of what he has and good luck to him,i actually think he has a great attitude to fighting,he is trying to learn but never forgets what he is and what he is a a superb physical specimen who can overwhelm far superior technical fighters.....this alone i believe makes a slight mockery of the sport when folk say how technical it is and how you have to be well rounded etc etc....well clearly you dont,being a hugely strong agile athlete is good enough !

 

My problem with fighters like Lesnar walking into the sport at the highest level,or Pudzianowski,James Toney or whoever it might be.....is that is the " american way ".....americans love the theatricals,they love a story......the best fighting the best just isnt good enough for them sometimes if it hasnt got a romantic story to it.....look at the faces of the paying punters when a fighter enters the ring,screaming bullshit and making pathetic hand gestures......look at cage rage in England with that nauseating little man who introduces fighters doing his best at being an american ring announcer......its stuff like this that i think in time will keep the sport down and it will never be taken seriously.....having fighters from other sports walking into the top level of the sport simply because they are a big name and will sell tickets,that just adds to the mix......whats it going to be next Hulk Hogan making a comeback in mma ?....he wouldnt be allowed into a boxing ring so why an mma cage ?...dana white is a typical american and has a typical american attitude bigger is better !!.....but if he thinks putting on these wwf style match ups is making the sport bigger and better.....i guess time will tell.

[gnasher16 30,281]

Gnasher, i love mma..its been my life for going on 7 years now...its been a strange mistress to me though!...more of a love/hate thing!..lol..i will always LOVE boxing, and having competed in boxing events, i have a huge respect for the sport, and love it even more,...fighters like Dempsey, Tyson, Marciano, the real 'up-and-at-'em' fighters, these are guys that i love to watch footage of, and i just love how they FIGHT!..truly a GREAT sport.

 

To see a guy like GSP, or Anderson Silva dismantle a dangerous opponent, with relative ease, or a stand up war, against two gritty guys like the first time Bonner and Griffin fought, is realy an awesome sight to see.

 

As Gnasher has said...to have a meat-head come into the sport, wave his arms around, and smash people, is, to say the least, f*****g horrible!..

 

Kye..

 

 

Thats an interesting analogy you make their Kye....the thing that strikes me as ironic about the 3 names you mentioned,all 3 Dempsey,Tyson and Marciano were predominantly sluggers relying on brute force,apart from Marciano the other 2 both came unstuck against technically better fighters at the top level.In other words their brute force,strength and pure violence wasnt enough.

 

This is what im saying about mma,Brock Lesnar has proved that brute force,strength and agility CAN overcome superior technical ability at the highest level,which has been proven does not happen in boxing,particularly in a relative novice.

 

Personally i never liked Tyson,i was more of a Ray Robinson,Ray Leonard admirer myself,i prefer the gifted athlete to the hard ass bully.....maybe we admire what we lack in our own makeup,i had plenty guts strength and durability but i was none too graceful

Edited July 8, 2010 by gnasher16

[Lab 10,979]

So is it because he has not fought his way up the ranks that there is an issue with Brock then? Why would he need too? Dana White is not a millionaire for nothing, he knows how to pull the punters in

What if i happened to be the fastest 100m runner in the world but never tried entering the sport till today, would that make it wrong because i have not worked myself up through the ranks? No i'd be a world champion with world record.

Countless times you see boxing matches that you know is going to last 2 rounds max and you hear stuff like "another easy match for him then"...........i think they have given him a chance and he has proved what he can do, i dont think you need to start cage fighting a ten so you can say you have worked hard to get to the top.

 

 

Your missing the point mate....personally i think Lesnar is a fantastic athlete and has made the most of what he has and good luck to him,i actually think he has a great attitude to fighting,he is trying to learn but never forgets what he is and what he is a a superb physical specimen who can overwhelm far superior technical fighters.....this alone i believe makes a slight mockery of the sport when folk say how technical it is and how you have to be well rounded etc etc....well clearly you dont,being a hugely strong agile athlete is good enough !

 

My problem with fighters like Lesnar walking into the sport at the highest level,or Pudzianowski,James Toney or whoever it might be.....is that is the " american way ".....americans love the theatricals,they love a story......the best fighting the best just isnt good enough for them sometimes if it hasnt got a romantic story to it.....look at the faces of the paying punters when a fighter enters the ring,screaming bullshit and making pathetic hand gestures......look at cage rage in England with that nauseating little man who introduces fighters doing his best at being an american ring announcer......its stuff like this that i think in time will keep the sport down and it will never be taken seriously.....having fighters from other sports walking into the top level of the sport simply because they are a big name and will sell tickets,that just adds to the mix......whats it going to be next Hulk Hogan making a comeback in mma ?....he wouldnt be allowed into a boxing ring so why an mma cage ?...dana white is a typical american and has a typical american attitude bigger is better !!.....but if he thinks putting on these wwf style match ups is making the sport bigger and better.....i guess time will tell.

I do get your point mate i really do but i dont think it will damage the sport, the sheer number of people who adore the wwf is amazing and a shrewd business man like dana white is trying to drag these supportes over to mma and a sure way to do that is to take the biggest names from wrestling and get them in a cage doing it for real.

As i said before i dont think its just because of his size that Brock has done well its because he is truly a machine, many others have tried and failed.........cage rages James Thompson is an example.

Be interesting to see him fight this fedor and then he might just gain the respect that he deserves!

[Kye 77]

lol...i know what you saying Gnasher,...the three i mentioned are very 'Bull in a china shop' kind of fighters...i DO love a technical fighter, dont get me wrong, but there is something about seeing a guy throw caution to the wind, and realy fight like he is wanting to finish a guy, not beat him on points!...you know what i mean mate?...imo, there shouldnt be points in mma, it should end in a ko, tap, tko...of course you need a Ref etc, but its billed as being REAL fighting...well in real fights, you dont have rounds, or points, or Draws etc...im not saying that it would work well, but it would make it more REAL, without allowing the kicks to the nuts, and biting etc..lol.

[gnasher16 30,281]

You see Kye this is where i think the whole sport/fight thing can get confusing,i dont for one minute believe mma is " a true fight "....you know yourself its not.

So i guess you could call it a sport,but then when the ufc try to make claims like " mma shows what style/s would win a real fight " is a load of old bollocks !

 

Back in the early 90,s when no rules fighting first came about it really was a fight,then when they brought so many rules in to make it more watchable and to fit in with state laws and tv companies etc i felt they sold out on the actual " real fight " description but yet continue to bill it as such.Back then im pretty sure the only rules were no biting,eye gouging or small digit manipulation,even groin shots were fair game.I agree with you a real fight has no rules,no time limits and no points.......but then as you know sometimes a true honest fight is often pretty boring to watch as a spectator......and if money is to be made its spectators/viewing figures that are a priority im afraid.

 

As for a fighter who throws caution to the wind its often an impressive sight seeing a fighter truly commit himself to finishing an opponent,and when both fighters take that attitude it makes for historic fights....as in the Griffin/Bonnar fight mma.....or the Hagler/Hearns fight boxing.

[gnasher16 30,281]

I do get your point mate i really do but i dont think it will damage the sport, the sheer number of people who adore the wwf is amazing and a shrewd business man like dana white is trying to drag these supportes over to mma and a sure way to do that is to take the biggest names from wrestling and get them in a cage doing it for real.

 

 

 

Personally i think thats a total backward step....if mma is to be taken seriously as a sport then the last thing it needs is dosey wwf fans,in fact anything to do with that pathetic nonsense......any association with that will bring with it the showbiz/entertainment value......and for a serious sport thats the last thing it needs.

Dana White has been great for the commercial side,but the man is an idiot with no class who i believe keeps the sport down rather than promoting it in a positive way.

[Lab 10,979]

I do get your point mate i really do but i dont think it will damage the sport, the sheer number of people who adore the wwf is amazing and a shrewd business man like dana white is trying to drag these supportes over to mma and a sure way to do that is to take the biggest names from wrestling and get them in a cage doing it for real.

 

 

 

Personally i think thats a total backward step....if mma is to be taken seriously as a sport then the last thing it needs is dosey wwf fans,in fact anything to do with that pathetic nonsense......any association with that will bring with it the showbiz/entertainment value......and for a serious sport thats the last thing it needs.

Dana White has been great for the commercial side,but the man is an idiot with no class who i believe keeps the sport down rather than promoting it in a positive way.

Yes but these dosey wwf fans are going to spend the money and thats what matters. I'd hate to see the mma go down the same road as the wwf(more acting than wrestling nowadays) but i think it started a while back when they decided to start the contender series.

[gnasher16 30,281]

Thats why i have reservations about Dana White.....a good " product " will sell itself....and mma/ufc is a good product......it doesnt need money from freak shows it needs money as a competetive legitimate sport.

 

Dana White thinks he is being trendy and a " no shit " kind of guy when he calls people " motherfuckers " etc on tv interviews.....it only shows a simple lack of class and it is things like that which keep the sport as just another " trend ".

When did you ever hear Frank Warren or Don King swear like that on a tv interview.

I believe at this stage of a new sport like mma its quality that matters not quantity but like most other things money is the dominant force.

[jamie g 17]

Gnasher, i love mma..its been my life for going on 7 years now...its been a strange mistress to me though!...more of a love/hate thing!..lol..i will always LOVE boxing, and having competed in boxing events, i have a huge respect for the sport, and love it even more,...fighters like Dempsey, Tyson, Marciano, the real 'up-and-at-'em' fighters, these are guys that i love to watch footage of, and i just love how they FIGHT!..truly a GREAT sport.

 

To see a guy like GSP, or Anderson Silva dismantle a dangerous opponent, with relative ease, or a stand up war, against two gritty guys like the first time Bonner and Griffin fought, is realy an awesome sight to see.

 

As Gnasher has said...to have a meat-head come into the sport, wave his arms around, and smash people, is, to say the least, f*****g horrible!..

 

Kye..

 

 

Thats an interesting analogy you make their Kye....the thing that strikes me as ironic about the 3 names you mentioned,all 3 Dempsey,Tyson and Marciano were predominantly sluggers relying on brute force,apart from Marciano the other 2 both came unstuck against technically better fighters at the top level.In other words their brute force,strength and pure violence wasnt enough.

 

This is what im saying about mma,Brock Lesnar has proved that brute force,strength and agility CAN overcome superior technical ability at the highest level,which has been proven does not happen in boxing,particularly in a relative novice.

 

Personally i never liked Tyson,i was more of a Ray Robinson,Ray Leonard admirer myself,i prefer the gifted athlete to the hard ass bully.....maybe we admire what we lack in our own makeup,i had plenty guts strength and durability but i was none too graceful

 

alot of people didnt no that mike tyson was very hard to hit not just a slugger. he had a very good defence but his knock out power was his downfall.

 

he was knocking out guys in a couple of rounds this made his training become a little less slack in the defence department. he suddenly cut down on the defence side. when told not to by his trainer. then when the rounds went on and the other fighters where not letting him knock them about he become unstuck.

 

slack on defence and out of gas because he wasnt use to going longer through the rounds. i liked watching tyson.

 

a lad that come from nothing and at heart was just a young lad that got picked on. even later in his life he got took for a mug by people around him after his money. don king is one of them.

 

 

tyson had half the people beat before he got in the ring. they where scared of him. and rightly so left or right hand it didnt matter to him. if he got a wiff of a clean shot they where in big big trouble..

 

his right was the deadly one. yet he never really got a good chance to use that as the other fighters new about it. it didnt matter those as the left hook was a killer to

Edited July 22, 2010 by jamie g

[gnasher16 30,281]

On the other hand,you could just say Tyson fell apart when he fought a higher class of fighter.Lewis,Holyfield were not intimidated by him,hence when he couldnt dominate them he curred out instead !

 

I accept his early career was impressive to youngsters of those days......but the harsh truth is he was simply overated in a very poor era of heavyweight boxing.

Edited July 22, 2010 by gnasher16

[Tiff 36]

I saw a interview with him probably 3 or so years into his career, and his favorite place to go other than to the pigeon coops was to a home for mentally handicapped kids where he helped out financially and just hung out playing video games with the kids. Really touching and I always remember that video whenever I think of Mike Tyson.

 

He was a client of mine when I lived in Las Vegas, only talked to him twice as I normally dealt with his "handler", very polite and almost apologetic in the way he talked. He also had the first Mercedes Maybach that I ever rode in ... what a car!

[Lab 10,979]

I saw a interview with him probably 3 or so years into his career, and his favorite place to go other than to the pigeon coops was to a home for mentally handicapped kids where he helped out financially and just hung out playing video games with the kids. Really touching and I always remember that video whenever I think of Mike Tyson.

 

He was a client of mine when I lived in Las Vegas, only talked to him twice as I normally dealt with his "handler", very polite and almost apologetic in the way he talked. He also had the first Mercedes Maybach that I ever rode in ... what a car!

The "first" maybach you have ever been in.............how many have you been in