paulus 26 Posted July 17, 2010 Report Share Posted July 17, 2010 ive used remmington subs for the last 6 years with no problems, the main reason been there cheap 6 years ago they were £1.85 for 50, now there £5 for 100. less than half the cost of most of the other subbies. they do the job just the same im not after match accuracy i want something thats good to about 40 yards and does the job, if i was shooting stuff alot further out than that, i wouldnt use subbies as youve only got to look at a box to see they are not going to be very accurate and with them being lead the heads can get damaged as you place in mag and cycle. Quote Link to post
willum 89 Posted July 17, 2010 Report Share Posted July 17, 2010 has to winchesters best 22 subs mates used eley and remington talk about runners the hollows int the tips are a lot smaller than the winy's i think they pass through with out expanding at close and long range as the winy's have a slightly larger hollow they expand thus giving a better and cleaner kill just my opinion yis willum Quote Link to post
IanB 0 Posted July 17, 2010 Report Share Posted July 17, 2010 If I want clean accurate headshots has to be eleys for me, saying that the rws are ok too.. Quote Link to post
andyf 144 Posted July 17, 2010 Report Share Posted July 17, 2010 Hi all I was just wondering what you Cz owners feel is the most accurate and reliable ammo for your .22's. I've owned my Cz varmint now for about 3 years and the ammo that i use for bunny bashing is Winchester SuperX hp's. I am thinking of trying eley as i have heard that these are also very good, Many thanks, John PS : The worst ammo i ever tried was the now discontinued ( thank god ) cci copper coated crap. Bullets were literally sprayed all over the place. Did anybody else try this copper coated crap Well: I've had 5 different CZ's, all of them excellent, these days I have a SAKO Finnfire Varmint, but whatever. The best ammo I have found through many 1,000's and 1,000's is Winchester Subsonic or RWS Subsonic. Remington Sub's are very consistant, and as accurate as the other two but I got too many runners on Rabbits, my theory is that the bullet lead in the Remy's is too hard and they dont expand, they also richochet all over the town (same reason). Supprisingly the 'cheapo' Magtech Subs were also very good, but I have been unable to find any for years? Any around your way? AndyF Quote Link to post
Whitby_Sam 4 Posted July 19, 2010 Report Share Posted July 19, 2010 I'm new to all this. Can someone please tell me whether I'd be better off with a .17 HMR or a .22 LR to control foxes on my 3 acres of land. I don't have much in the way of backstops so I assume rimfire is safer to use than centrefire. What is the effective range of these two calibres? I've seen an offer on CZ 453 .22LR and .17HMR which comes in around my price range. Would prefer not to use my 12 bore due to noise but if that's a better method then I'll use that and apologise to the neighbours in the morning LOL! Apologies for hijacking the thread Quote Link to post
waidmann 105 Posted July 19, 2010 Report Share Posted July 19, 2010 I'm new to all this. Can someone please tell me whether I'd be better off with a .17 HMR or a .22 LR to control foxes on my 3 acres of land. I don't have much in the way of backstops so I assume rimfire is safer to use than centrefire. What is the effective range of these two calibres? I've seen an offer on CZ 453 .22LR and .17HMR which comes in around my price range. Would prefer not to use my 12 bore due to noise but if that's a better method then I'll use that and apologise to the neighbours in the morning LOL! Apologies for hijacking the thread a touchy subject. neither the .22lr nor the .17hmr are "ideal" foxing calibers, they will both kill a fox at decent ranges BUT neither are suitble without a backstop!! if there are no natural backstops then the only option is to elevate your position (high seats etc) or to create backstops/lure the to a backstop. many of us will have "opportunistic fox" on our fac for the.22lr. many of us have the .17hmr as a "foxing" on there too, that does not make them the best choice for the job. often "the best rifle for fox is the one you are holding at the time" as long as the power is there to kill (cleanly) and the range acceptable. i shoot fox with the .22lr and the .17hmr but you will get the odd runner which the dog will find. mostly the foxes are encountered when lamping for rabbit,if we go specificly for fox we take a .223/.243 simply for the effect at 150m+ which is often the case with lamp shy/call shy red fellas. hope this helps. p.s. i use mostly remmy subs (and 40gr gold tip) and am very happy with them,the last batch i had was winchester,to be fair i see no difference in target(rabbit) damage nor accuracy,therefore the price of the remmy has my vote all day! yis waidmann Quote Link to post
Whitby_Sam 4 Posted July 19, 2010 Report Share Posted July 19, 2010 I'm new to all this. Can someone please tell me whether I'd be better off with a .17 HMR or a .22 LR to control foxes on my 3 acres of land. I don't have much in the way of backstops so I assume rimfire is safer to use than centrefire. What is the effective range of these two calibres? I've seen an offer on CZ 453 .22LR and .17HMR which comes in around my price range. Would prefer not to use my 12 bore due to noise but if that's a better method then I'll use that and apologise to the neighbours in the morning LOL! Apologies for hijacking the thread a touchy subject. neither the .22lr nor the .17hmr are "ideal" foxing calibers, they will both kill a fox at decent ranges BUT neither are suitble without a backstop!! if there are no natural backstops then the only option is to elevate your position (high seats etc) or to create backstops/lure the to a backstop. many of us will have "opportunistic fox" on our fac for the.22lr. many of us have the .17hmr as a "foxing" on there too, that does not make them the best choice for the job. often "the best rifle for fox is the one you are holding at the time" as long as the power is there to kill (cleanly) and the range acceptable. i shoot fox with the .22lr and the .17hmr but you will get the odd runner which the dog will find. mostly the foxes are encountered when lamping for rabbit,if we go specificly for fox we take a .223/.243 simply for the effect at 150m+ which is often the case with lamp shy/call shy red fellas. hope this helps. p.s. i use mostly remmy subs (and 40gr gold tip) and am very happy with them,the last batch i had was winchester,to be fair i see no difference in target(rabbit) damage nor accuracy,therefore the price of the remmy has my vote all day! yis waidmann Thanks for that. I don't think either is going to be suitable for my land in that case. I have access to some larger fields which do have backstops (I have permission to shoot rabbits, pigeons, foxes etc) but there is a main road running down the side of some of them so I'd be a little nervous using something with an effective range of more than 150m. Should I be looking at a modified air rifle instead for this kind of job? Of the two, which has more stopping power and which has more range? In my limited understanding of the subject (possibly wrong) I assume that the .17 slug is higher velocity but also lighter so will have more range and less stopping power. The .22 will be effective at a greater distance but "flyers" won't travel quite so far... Maybe I'll just stick to my 12 bore after all! Quote Link to post
Rake aboot 4,935 Posted July 19, 2010 Report Share Posted July 19, 2010 Aye For close range work, A 22lr with high velocity ammo (laser etc) will do the job ,but you must be certain of your shot and always hit a kill zone (your neighbours will be less pleased to find a wounded fox lying about) This will be a fair bit quieter than the 12 bore. The shotgun will also be up to it if you can call the buggers in close enough. Have to say though, I use a 243 for foxes and it has to be a pretty close range shot for me to take it with the 22lr. I`ve met a few who go on about 100yrd+ foxes with the 22lr,"head shots only mate ,,,easy,,don`t need anything bigger" , but to a man they have came across to me as arseholes !! Quote Link to post
Whitby_Sam 4 Posted July 19, 2010 Report Share Posted July 19, 2010 (edited) So what you're saying is that at 100+ yards range a .22LR isn't up to much? In which case, if I were to ensure there was say 300 yards between me and any road or public access I could shoot without worries? Or would I still need some kind of backstop? I think I'm probably more likely to go for a .22LR than a .17HMR if this is the case. Just been offered 140 acres permission assuming that I can get my FAC sorted. Unfortunately I don't have endless money so while a bigger gun may be more suitable for a large permission I still have to be able to shoot on my land and my smaller permissions... Edited July 19, 2010 by Whitby_Sam Quote Link to post
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