Bag Pipe music goes with anything

[danw 1,748]

Watch the video again 90% of those deer and boar where shot at a feeding station,please explain to me how they hunted them.Apart from the shooting of them with a bow which I think was very skillful by the way,I wouldn't class that as hunting......I was under the impression that when you hunted something you went and hunted it not set a hide up in a tree and put a feeding station out to entice the animals in.

To me the thrill of hunting as always been in the hunting of a animal not the killing which is what that video looks like its doing IMO

If I'm a "bunny hugger" for enjoying hunting my chosen quarry rather than baiting it then so be it

 

 

Britannica Concise Encyclopedia: hunting

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Pursuit of game animals, principally as sport. To early humans hunting was a necessity, and it remained so in many societies until recently. The development of agriculture made hunting less necessary as a sole life support, but game was still pursued in order to protect crops, flocks, or herds, as well as for food. Weapons now commonly used in hunting include the rifle, shotgun, and the bow and arrow, and methods include stalking, still-hunting (lying in wait), tracking, driving, and calling. Dogs are sometimes employed to track, flush, or capture prey. In Europe much of the land once hunted upon was owned by the aristocracy, and gamekeepers were employed to regulate the amount of game that could be hunted in a given area. By the 1800s the land hunted upon was not or had never been privately owned, and there began to develop a "tragedy of the commons," in that no one hunter had any motive to limit the number of animals killed; certain species were hunted to, or very close to, extinction. To counter this development, ethical codes were established that give the quarry a fair chance to escape; attempts were made to minimize the suffering of wounded game; and game laws, licensing, and limited hunting seasons were established to protect game stocks. For instance, a modern license may authorize a hunter to kill only two deer during the brief season for deer, and he or she must present a kill to a game warden who will then document and tag the animal. There are often penalties and fines for being found with an animal that is not so marked.

 

I suspect that this should answer your question

[Aaron Proffitt 142]

Awright you non-archery hunting guys ...a little education and perspective.

 

I hunt with a longbow and limit my shots to under 30 yards; but strive to get even closer ,say, 15. I use a 60 lb. Saxon longbow or either one of my Sunset Hill longbows ( 50 and 55 lb., respectively) and handmade cedar arrows .

 

In over twenty years, I have taken numerous whiletail deer, mule deer, bears, antelope, and pigs. Etc..

 

Someone keeps saying that game "bleeds out" . That's not how it works in the sense that you are thinking. AS an arrow passes thru the heart/lungs it creates a channel that does hemmorage ( alot I might add) but it also shuts down those organs. The result is oxygen depletion in the blood stream to the brain.

 

How quickly does it happen ? The pronghorn antelope is the fastest land animal in North America. I have hit antelope and they take off at a dead sprint only to hit the ground with-in 50 yards . At a 55 mile per hour sprint, they cover 50 yards in mere seconds. Hell, they cover 250 yards in seconds. I have also shot quite a few deer that jerked their head up at the shot, arrow zips completely thru them, and they return to eating....a few seconds later their needs go wobbly and their down.

 

In 20 years , I have lost one animal and that was a whitetail doe who was with 3 others. At the shot they sprinted down a ravine and then they all crossed a river. My guess is she got into the river and went down and I lost her there. All evidence suggested she made it to the river but not the other side.

Thanks for that Aaron

 

 

Anytime, mate.

As much as I love deer hunting with a bow....As of late, taking flushed pheasants and jumped ducks has been a hell of alot of fun. Problem is I like to eat them...and I don't bring home very many.

[johnny boy68 11,726]

Yes Dan I know all that I see you highlighted the lying in wait bit but I don't see anything about feed stations......is this normal methods if it is its just not my thing

Lying in wait for quarry to pass where you,be it luck or skill set up your hide.....yes to me thats "hunting" but lying in wait at a feed station isn't.Thats all I'm trying to say......John

[scothunter 12,609]

Awright you non-archery hunting guys ...a little education and perspective.

 

I hunt with a longbow and limit my shots to under 30 yards; but strive to get even closer ,say, 15. I use a 60 lb. Saxon longbow or either one of my Sunset Hill longbows ( 50 and 55 lb., respectively) and handmade cedar arrows .

 

In over twenty years, I have taken numerous whiletail deer, mule deer, bears, antelope, and pigs. Etc..

 

Someone keeps saying that game "bleeds out" . That's not how it works in the sense that you are thinking. AS an arrow passes thru the heart/lungs it creates a channel that does hemmorage ( alot I might add) but it also shuts down those organs. The result is oxygen depletion in the blood stream to the brain.

 

How quickly does it happen ? The pronghorn antelope is the fastest land animal in North America. I have hit antelope and they take off at a dead sprint only to hit the ground with-in 50 yards . At a 55 mile per hour sprint, they cover 50 yards in mere seconds. Hell, they cover 250 yards in seconds. I have also shot quite a few deer that jerked their head up at the shot, arrow zips completely thru them, and they return to eating....a few seconds later their needs go wobbly and their down.

 

In 20 years , I have lost one animal and that was a whitetail doe who was with 3 others. At the shot they sprinted down a ravine and then they all crossed a river. My guess is she got into the river and went down and I lost her there. All evidence suggested she made it to the river but not the other side.

cheers aaron that was very imformative and certainly gave me an insight into it a bit better.pity some others cant be more imformative than just resorting to insults.

[danw 1,748]

Yes Dan I know all that I see you highlighted the lying in wait bit but I don't see anything about feed stations......is this normal methods if it is its just not my thing

Lying in wait for quarry to pass where you,be it luck or skill set up your hide.....yes to me thats "hunting" but lying in wait at a feed station isn't.Thats all I'm trying to say......John

 

Yes feed stations are a normal method of hunting be it fox on a midden or wild boar baited with maize or even deer lawns planted to attract and concentrate deer I fully accept that you don't like the idea but it is hunting all the same.

 

Just so we are clear I was only answering your question there is no intention of animosity in my post

[johnny boy68 11,726]

Yes Dan I know all that I see you highlighted the lying in wait bit but I don't see anything about feed stations......is this normal methods if it is its just not my thing

Lying in wait for quarry to pass where you,be it luck or skill set up your hide.....yes to me thats "hunting" but lying in wait at a feed station isn't.Thats all I'm trying to say......John

 

Yes feed stations are a normal method of hunting be it fox on a midden or wild boar baited with maize or even deer lawns planted to attract and concentrate deer I fully accept that you don't like the idea but it is hunting all the same.

 

Just so we are clear I was only answering your question there is no intention of animosity in my post

No offence taken fella until Aaron posted what he did i was just given abuse rather than a straight answer......once again no worries

[andyfr1968 772]

I love archery and I wish it was legal to hunt with them in the UK....

 

I've a Merlin Max 2000 and it's a lovely bit of kit. Trouble is most of the clubs in my area are full of analy retentive target shooting types who take it rather too seriously for my likeing.

 

Enjoyed your last post, Aaron. I'd love to do that. True hunting IMO.

 

Cheers.

[Aaron Proffitt 142]

Thanks for the replys , guys . Just wanted to shed some light on hunting with archery tackle.

 

As far as hunting over bait as far as actual feeders, I'm not a real big advocate of it as I don't like to concentrate deer like that. Spreads diseases , in my opinion; like chronic wasting disease, bovine tuberculosis, and blue toungue . I mean it's one thing to have a 5 acre food plot or broadcast plant clover and /or turnips for browse, but it's another to have legions of deer feeding in a 60 foot circle.

 

That being said, the one animal I do advocate (and have hunted in this manner) hunting over bait are black bears.

Hear me out.

In some parts of US bear country the cover is so thick that spot-and-stalk is out of the question , especially during spring seasons wwhen the greenery is out in full force.You could be standing with-in 20 yards of a bruin and never see it. Secondly, bears are extremely hard to judge for sex and size . Watching a bear come into bait and evaluating it gives you time to make sure the bear you are watching is a mature boar. Along those same lines, no bear hunter wants to take a sow; and certainly not one with cubs. While she may appraoch the bait barrel without the cubs, no doubt they are there as they really make alot of noise playing while Mom eats.

 

 

Now some parts of the West it really isn't an issue since the cover is sparse.You can glass them awhile as they graze on acorns, berries, and other stuff. Glass and watch for awhile before deciding to put on a stalk.

 

I have yet to grow balls big enough to try calling one in with a predator call.

[Aaron Proffitt 142]

One last thing before I have to start getting ready for work...

 

Recovery .... you learn by looking at the color and sometimes the odor of the blood what kind of hit you made . Pink, frothy blood indicates a good lung hit. A heart is usually a little darker, same with the liver . A hit in the guts can be told by looking at your arrow...if it reeks like shit and has vegetable matter on it , than it was most likely a gut hit. But not always. I have taken a quartering away shots that passed through parts of the guts before entering the vitals.

 

 

This is also why use bright white or chartreuse feathers on all my arrows. I want to see exactly where the arrow enters.

 

Bowhunting protocol calls for you not to begin tracking right away. Reason is, the hit animal will almost always run just a little ways and then lie down and die.However, if you pursue it right away ; it's "flight " instincts will kick in ,along with adrenaline, and what should've been a short blood trail then becomes a trek. So I'll wait anywhere to an hour or so....and then take up the trail. The result is a short blood trail and steaks on the grill that night.

[scothunter 12,609]

One last thing before I have to start getting ready for work...

 

Recovery .... you learn by looking at the color and sometimes the odor of the blood what kind of hit you made . Pink, frothy blood indicates a good lung hit. A heart is usually a little darker, same with the liver . A hit in the guts can be told by looking at your arrow...if it reeks like shit and has vegetable matter on it , than it was most likely a gut hit. But not always. I have taken a quartering away shots that passed through parts of the guts before entering the vitals.

 

 

This is also why use bright white or chartreuse feathers on all my arrows. I want to see exactly where the arrow enters.

 

Bowhunting protocol calls for you not to begin tracking right away. Reason is, the hit animal will almost always run just a little ways and then lie down and die.However, if you pursue it right away ; it's "flight " instincts will kick in ,along with adrenaline, and what should've been a short blood trail then becomes a trek. So I'll wait anywhere to an hour or so....and then take up the trail. The result is a short blood trail and steaks on the grill that night.

well that was certainly very educational.and i have a diffrent view on it as i first thought.still dont shoot lions lol

[SHOTGUNSNIPER 47]

well if its not really hunting what is it?

and he also suggested they dont get tracked and finished

sgs even said he's never lost one himself

 

se la vie

 

 

IN HIS OPINION. Which we are all entitled to have. He also never "suggested" the above . . . your Interpretation of the text, was such that he was implying the animals are left to suffer.

Interpretation/opinion - entitlement yes .... jonyboy 68's first statement was that it was "not really hunting" - pretty straight forward - he also say's his attitude towards bowhunting is akin to how the antis "feel" about the folks who use dog's to hunt... So by his own admission he is anti hunting - "except for how he hunts"....This is why I suggest he volunteers to the RSPCA ....Sort his thoughts out ya know!

I expect that jonyboy will want to take a p!55 on this along with some other wana be RSPCA volunteers....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yi_Krx6C_7w

Right fella you need to get things right for a start its not Whales they swim in the sea you half-wit!!I live in Wales!What i said was not how the anti's feel towards hunting with dogs i was on about how a lot of the "shooting" community feel about us dog boys!You've read something again and gone into childish "little man syndrome" again,to be honest you really are a sad little man.Let me guess when you played games as a kid you was always last to be picked wasn't you

 

Yea yea yea big man with a spelling fetish....So you are a dog boy and what happened to the sheep? And the shooting community thinks bad thoughts about you.....Ya know just because you are paranoid dosn't mean they aint out to get you..... Or the sheep.....

Here ya go I changed it just for you ------

Interpretation/opinion - entitlement yes .... jonyboy 68's first statement was that it was "not really hunting" - pretty straight forward - he also say's his attitude towards bowhunting is akin to how the shooting community looks down on folks who use dog's to hunt... An anti complaining about antis --- by his own admission he is anti hunting - "except for how he hunts"....This is why I suggest he volunteers to the RSPCA ....Sort his thoughts out ya know!

[SHOTGUNSNIPER 47]

One last thing before I have to start getting ready for work...

 

Recovery .... you learn by looking at the color and sometimes the odor of the blood what kind of hit you made . Pink, frothy blood indicates a good lung hit. A heart is usually a little darker, same with the liver . A hit in the guts can be told by looking at your arrow...if it reeks like shit and has vegetable matter on it , than it was most likely a gut hit. But not always. I have taken a quartering away shots that passed through parts of the guts before entering the vitals.

 

 

This is also why use bright white or chartreuse feathers on all my arrows. I want to see exactly where the arrow enters.

 

Bowhunting protocol calls for you not to begin tracking right away. Reason is, the hit animal will almost always run just a little ways and then lie down and die.However, if you pursue it right away ; it's "flight " instincts will kick in ,along with adrenaline, and what should've been a short blood trail then becomes a trek. So I'll wait anywhere to an hour or so....and then take up the trail. The result is a short blood trail and steaks on the grill that night.

 

Good informative post thank you AP ......

[andyfr1968 772]

One last thing before I have to start getting ready for work...

 

Recovery .... you learn by looking at the color and sometimes the odor of the blood what kind of hit you made . Pink, frothy blood indicates a good lung hit. A heart is usually a little darker, same with the liver . A hit in the guts can be told by looking at your arrow...if it reeks like shit and has vegetable matter on it , than it was most likely a gut hit. But not always. I have taken a quartering away shots that passed through parts of the guts before entering the vitals.

 

 

This is also why use bright white or chartreuse feathers on all my arrows. I want to see exactly where the arrow enters.

 

Bowhunting protocol calls for you not to begin tracking right away. Reason is, the hit animal will almost always run just a little ways and then lie down and die.However, if you pursue it right away ; it's "flight " instincts will kick in ,along with adrenaline, and what should've been a short blood trail then becomes a trek. So I'll wait anywhere to an hour or so....and then take up the trail. The result is a short blood trail and steaks on the grill that night.

 

Good informative post thank you AP ......

 

Having read through some more of your posts I still think you're a pi*s takeing tw*t but I like you.

 

Cheers.

 

Pinch of salt and all that.....

Edited June 26, 2010 by andyfr1968

[SHOTGUNSNIPER 47]

More great arhery footage

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OE-oSDMiDq0

[SHOTGUNSNIPER 47]

Watch the video again 90% of those deer and boar where shot at a feeding station,please explain to me how they hunted them.Apart from the shooting of them with a bow which I think was very skillful by the way,I wouldn't class that as hunting......I was under the impression that when you hunted something you went and hunted it not set a hide up in a tree and put a feeding station out to entice the animals in.

To me the thrill of hunting as always been in the hunting of a animal not the killing which is what that video looks like its doing IMO

If I'm a "bunny hugger" for enjoying hunting my chosen quarry rather than baiting it then so be it

 

 

Britannica Concise Encyclopedia: hunting

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Pursuit of game animals, principally as sport. To early humans hunting was a necessity, and it remained so in many societies until recently. The development of agriculture made hunting less necessary as a sole life support, but game was still pursued in order to protect crops, flocks, or herds, as well as for food. Weapons now commonly used in hunting include the rifle, shotgun, and the bow and arrow, and methods include stalking, still-hunting (lying in wait), tracking, driving, and calling. Dogs are sometimes employed to track, flush, or capture prey. In Europe much of the land once hunted upon was owned by the aristocracy, and gamekeepers were employed to regulate the amount of game that could be hunted in a given area. By the 1800s the land hunted upon was not or had never been privately owned, and there began to develop a "tragedy of the commons," in that no one hunter had any motive to limit the number of animals killed; certain species were hunted to, or very close to, extinction. To counter this development, ethical codes were established that give the quarry a fair chance to escape; attempts were made to minimize the suffering of wounded game; and game laws, licensing, and limited hunting seasons were established to protect game stocks. For instance, a modern license may authorize a hunter to kill only two deer during the brief season for deer, and he or she must present a kill to a game warden who will then document and tag the animal. There are often penalties and fines for being found with an animal that is not so marked.

 

I suspect that this should answer your question

 

I like you reply here DanW who is to argue with a dictionary - Let's take a step further and look at the definition of Poaching.... Wickopedia

 

Poaching is the illegal taking of wild plants or animals contrary to local and international conservation and wildlife management laws. Violations of hunting laws and regulations are normally punishable by law and, collectively, such violations are known as poaching.

 

It may be illegal and in violation because

 

• The game or fish is not in season; usually the breeding season is declared as the closed season when wildlife species are protected by law.
• The poacher does not possess a valid permit.
• The poacher is illegally selling the animal or animal parts or plant for a profit.
• The animal is being hunted outside of legal hours.
• The hunter used an illegal weapon for that animal.
• The animal or plant is on restricted land.
• The right to hunt this animal is claimed by somebody.
• The type of bait is inhumane. (food unsuitable for an animal's health, i.e. peanut butter and jelly sandwiches, nachos etc.)
• The means used are illegal (for example, baiting a field while hunting quail or other animals, using spotlights to stun or paralyze deer, or hunting from a moving vehicle, watercraft, or aircraft).
• The animal or plant is protected by law or that it has been listed as extinct or endangered (see for example the Endangered Species Act for the USA or the Migratory Bird Treaty Act of 1918 and similar laws/treaties.
• The animal or plant has been tagged by a researcher.

Note that only wild animals can be poached. Stealing or killing domestic animals is considered to be theft ("cattle rustling"), not poaching.

 

Plant poaching is also on the rise. A prominent example is the removal of ginseng growing in the Great Smoky Mountains National Park.^[1] It is estimated that dried wild ginseng plants are worth more than $260–365 per pound (dried) on the black market^[2].

 

Please take note that the list at the bottom of this definition is things that "may" be considered illegal in some countries and not in others. Example in Arizona the only animal we are permitted to hunt at night with spot lights (lamps) are racoons .... Using spot lights for taking rabbits or any other game is "poaching"..... In the UK it is an accepted method ....The use of silencers for hunting is illegal everywhere in the US - From what I read on this site it is quite common to use silenced deer rifles in the UK.... By the way I think silenced rifles should be legal for hunting .....I think it is a bad law......

Reading the posts in THL poaching and poachers are quite common and socially acceptable in the UK due to Bans and land ownership....PM's that I have recieved explain that the common man has little chance to hunt legally in the UK and many resort to poaching ----- The laws and ban's are fecked and I fully understand the natural pull of our primal instincts to kill something and eat it....

This is why I refrain from condeming poaching in the UK ..... At home here in America I will stick to legal hunting methods..... Maybe someone should start a web site called TPL - THE POACHERS LIFE -