euopean poleys

[Kay 3,709]

My own observations from having taken a polecat in here probably some 10 yrs ago untill its release the following year was

 

The animal was not what i would call black .. it was dark & the coat had a blue tinge to it .. he didnt smell quite the same as a male ferret .. i didnt think the smell was as pungent

 

The noticeable difference's between him & my ferrets were the obvious one behaviour.. this animal was never seen in the day ... he didnt use a particular corner as a latrine .. infact he used every part of the cage & small run

 

He wouldnt eat anything apart from whole carcass .. in this case it had to be rabbit or pigeon.. water bottle was alien to him so he had a dish of water

 

When i put his food in at dusk he would press himself right up the back of the sleeping section of the cage ... he never hissed or screemed .. he was silent all the time i had him

 

At night he came alive ... he was a solid strong and a fair old size animal .. he would rattle the mesh front of the cage which wasnt a standard weldmesh it was heavy duty stuff & over time i had to double up the mesh on the cage because of the pulling .

 

All in all he was no bother but he needed to be in the wild .. so after several months of being with us he was released with the help of the forestry

 

There beautyfull animals & i have much respect for them .. not once while i had this animal did i ever think of running it with a standard jill ferret

 

To me there different animals & behave so very differently .. this is why i believe the hybrid is basically one messed up animal .. ferrets social polecats solitary

[Leeview 791]

 

 

I have yet to see one that does nt actually look like anything other than a ferret in looks or shape?

Y.I.S Leeview

 

If you watch the dvd, a fistfull of ferrets more, with James bradly and co. you will see proper polecat high breeds on that, at the bigening of the dvd.

G.I.H.the simple test would be if they reproduced then as I said earlier There are colonies of ferrets living and breeding in the dales in Yorks feral ferrets, polecat coloured, yes but not European Polecats

Y.I.S Leeview

[Jamie m 668]

 

 

I have yet to see one that does nt actually look like anything other than a ferret in looks or shape?

Y.I.S Leeview

 

If you watch the dvd, a fistfull of ferrets more, with James bradly and co. you will see proper polecat high breeds on that, at the bigening of the dvd.

G.I.H.the simple test would be if they reproduced then as I said earlier There are colonies of ferrets living and breeding in the dales in Yorks feral ferrets, polecat coloured, yes but not European Polecats

Y.I.S Leeview

You meen British there is a. Diference

[Leeview 791]

 

 

I have yet to see one that does nt actually look like anything other than a ferret in looks or shape?

Y.I.S Leeview

 

If you watch the dvd, a fistfull of ferrets more, with James bradly and co. you will see proper polecat high breeds on that, at the bigening of the dvd.

G.I.H.the simple test would be if they reproduced then as I said earlier There are colonies of ferrets living and breeding in the dales in Yorks feral ferrets, polecat coloured, yes but not European Polecats

Y.I.S Leeview

You meen British there is a. Diference

cant recall anyone claiming they've crossed with polecats other than European

Now was it English Nature who surveyed the Welsh Borders where there was supposedly still British polecats in the wild and found they were heavily diluted with feral ferret and not true British Polecats

Y.I.S Leeview

[canis lupus 1]

whet the differance between the british polecat and the european polecat I thought they where the same thing.

 

I have a low content hybrid and know something with 50/50's

[Leeview 791]

whet the differance between the british polecat and the european polecat I thought they where the same thing.

 

I have a low content hybrid and know something with 50/50's

Hybrids are 50/50 and are incapable of reproducing on the whole due to being sterile, so very very difficult to get a low content hybrid.

On this and the thread on black ferrets claims have been made to X's occuring in the wild others mention wild polecats being different to ferrets when caged? Would nt any animal bred in the wild be different having been captivated and restricted from roaming? Just because its been caught in the wild does n't make it a naturally occuring wild animal IMHO

Can anyone provide absolute evidence of these X's taking place in the wild? Afterall crows and rooks,jays and magpies are the same family but has anyone seen these X'd? same with all our native finches they dont x breed in the wild but with mans intervention in aviculture they can be bred BUT produce sterile offspring.

So basically I've no evidence proving beyond doubt that animals do X breed in their natural state ie.the wild, why would they produce something that cant carry on breeding

Y.I.S Leeview

[romany52 313]

whet the differance between the british polecat and the european polecat I thought they where the same thing.

 

I have a low content hybrid and know something with 50/50's

Hybrids are 50/50 and are incapable of reproducing on the whole due to being sterile, so very very difficult to get a low content hybrid.

On this and the thread on black ferrets claims have been made to X's occuring in the wild others mention wild polecats being different to ferrets when caged? Would nt any animal bred in the wild be different having been captivated and restricted from roaming? Just because its been caught in the wild does n't make it a naturally occuring wild animal IMHO

Can anyone provide absolute evidence of these X's taking place in the wild? Afterall crows and rooks,jays and magpies are the same family but has anyone seen these X'd? same with all our native finches they dont x breed in the wild but with mans intervention in aviculture they can be bred BUT produce sterile offspring.

So basically I've no evidence proving beyond doubt that animals do X breed in their natural state ie.the wild, why would they produce something that cant carry on breeding

Y.I.S Leeview

 

Your talking bollocks mate, polecats produce fully fertile hybrids when crossed with ferrets. The red canary was produced from a hybrid between the red hooded siskin crossed with a canary, though not fully fertile some first cross cocks were. Any way have a read of this. Click were it says full text on the right hand side.

 

http://jhered.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/reprint/96/2/89?maxtoshow=&hits=10&RESULTFORMAT=&fulltext=%28polecat+AND+mink+AND+hybrid+AND+in+AND+wild%29&searchid=1&FIRSTINDEX=0&resourcetype=HWCIT

Edited June 26, 2010 by romany52

[droid 11]

Leeview is getting confused between 'species': a discrete type of animal, and 'family': a group of species that are similar genetically, but often cannot interbreed.

However, closely related species of the same family may breed, and sometimes produce fertile offspring, as romany has cited above.

 

Given that at best, ferrets are a subspecies/variety of polecat, it'd be rather surprising if they couldn't breed and produce fertile offspring, which of course they can.

 

Ferrets/Polecats and mink are less closely related. So the chance of fertile offspring is less.

[ferretfatcamp 21]

are you any where near sheffield i would try one

[Leeview 791]

whet the differance between the british polecat and the european polecat I thought they where the same thing.

 

I have a low content hybrid and know something with 50/50's

Hybrids are 50/50 and are incapable of reproducing on the whole due to being sterile, so very very difficult to get a low content hybrid.

On this and the thread on black ferrets claims have been made to X's occuring in the wild others mention wild polecats being different to ferrets when caged? Would nt any animal bred in the wild be different having been captivated and restricted from roaming? Just because its been caught in the wild does n't make it a naturally occuring wild animal IMHO

Can anyone provide absolute evidence of these X's taking place in the wild? Afterall crows and rooks,jays and magpies are the same family but has anyone seen these X'd? same with all our native finches they dont x breed in the wild but with mans intervention in aviculture they can be bred BUT produce sterile offspring.

So basically I've no evidence proving beyond doubt that animals do X breed in their natural state ie.the wild, why would they produce something that cant carry on breeding

Y.I.S Leeview

 

Your talking bollocks mate, polecats produce fully fertile hybrids when crossed with ferrets. The red canary was produced from a hybrid between the red hooded siskin crossed with a canary, though not fully fertile some first cross cocks were. Any way have a read of this. Click were it says full text on the right hand side.

 

http://jhered.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/reprint/96/2/89?maxtoshow=&hits=10&RESULTFORMAT=&fulltext=%28polecat+AND+mink+AND+hybrid+AND+in+AND+wild%29&searchid=1&FIRSTINDEX=0&resourcetype=HWCIT

Romany which polecats are you refering to? The wild or polecat coloured ferret? The Red Canary was produced by mans intervention then not in the wild As for fertility my understanding is all males are sterile But a very few females have a very limited reproduction

Thanks for the link I have read it before when it was a new document 2004/5 and the conclusion that hybridisation in the wild is a very rare occurence beyond there capabilities of measuring its that small, it does mention the northern extreme of the European Polecat in the west of France and that is way below our British shoreline.

Y.I.S Leeview

[wullieh 53]

whet the differance between the british polecat and the european polecat I thought they where the same thing.

 

I have a low content hybrid and know something with 50/50's

Hybrids are 50/50 and are incapable of reproducing on the whole due to being sterile, so very very difficult to get a low content hybrid.

On this and the thread on black ferrets claims have been made to X's occuring in the wild others mention wild polecats being different to ferrets when caged? Would nt any animal bred in the wild be different having been captivated and restricted from roaming? Just because its been caught in the wild does n't make it a naturally occuring wild animal IMHO

Can anyone provide absolute evidence of these X's taking place in the wild? Afterall crows and rooks,jays and magpies are the same family but has anyone seen these X'd? same with all our native finches they dont x breed in the wild but with mans intervention in aviculture they can be bred BUT produce sterile offspring.

So basically I've no evidence proving beyond doubt that animals do X breed in their natural state ie.the wild, why would they produce something that cant carry on breeding

Y.I.S Leeview

 

Your talking bollocks mate, polecats produce fully fertile hybrids when crossed with ferrets. The red canary was produced from a hybrid between the red hooded siskin crossed with a canary, though not fully fertile some first cross cocks were. Any way have a read of this. Click were it says full text on the right hand side.

 

http://jhered.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/reprint/96/2/89?maxtoshow=&hits=10&RESULTFORMAT=&fulltext=%28polecat+AND+mink+AND+hybrid+AND+in+AND+wild%29&searchid=1&FIRSTINDEX=0&resourcetype=HWCIT

Romany which polecats are you refering to? The wild or polecat coloured ferret? The Red Canary was produced by mans intervention then not in the wild As for fertility my understanding is all males are sterile But a very few females have a very limited reproduction

Thanks for the link I have read it before when it was a new document 2004/5 and the conclusion that hybridisation in the wild is a very rare occurence beyond there capabilities of measuring its that small, it does mention the northern extreme of the European Polecat in the west of France and that is way below our British shoreline.

Y.I.S Leeview

one of my friends deal with pure and hybrid ferrets and myself and my other friend got a 75% hybrid jill each from him last yr while i chose not to breed mne my mate did and ended up with 4 kits but he has been breeding hybrid into his line for years let it be 25% or up to 75% so think this shows they can and will breed so read up before you meke a :wankerzo4: of your self leeview by saying hybrids cant reproduce.

[Argyll 1]

Just to add my tuppence worth.

 

Wullie who runs the ferret rescue up here in Bathgate Scotland had two true polecats that were handed in as they were too vicious. If my memory serves me correctly Wullie strongly advised against owning these polecats as they were virtually untameable and he was bit several times in just a few days.

 

Remember it took man thousands of years to domesticate dogs so it'll take more than a few years to domesticate these true polecats. I just don't see the point when there's an abundance of domesticated ferrets available.

[droid 11]

it does mention the northern extreme of the European Polecat in the west of France and that is way below our British shoreline.

Y.I.S Leeview

 

Really?

 

This doesn't: http://www.jncc.gov.uk/page-2795

[Green Island Hunter 28]

Leeview , I will say it again, please read carefully.

Their is 2 ferreting/pest control dvds, first one is A fistfull of ferrets, the second, fist full of ferrets more.

I suggest you get the second one, as on their, is well known repected lads in the rabbiting world, that have europeon polecat/ferret hybrids.

These animals, can produce fertile young no problem.

These, are true wild polecat/ferret crosses.

You are a very ignorant man it seems, when it comes to this and i think your a know all..

if any lads from them dvd;s are on this site, can you please put this know all, right, cheers.

 

Below, is the link to the dvd i was on about...

 

http://www.ferretfilms.co.uk/

 

Dan.

Edited June 27, 2010 by Green Island Hunter

[runforyourlife 361]

At last leeview has been proven wrong, beleive me, he argues with his shadow. He seems a real inteligent guy but doesnt know when he is beaten..... you got those pics yet lee, lol.?