big cat attack on horse

[OldTrapCollector 377]

 

have to disagree with you on that one. in the paper a few weeks back it was saying about a man that made a documentry on big cats in britain. he collected so much evidence that the program wasnt allowed to be broadcasted because they would fear what the reaction of the public would be. i know the paper isnt always true but this program wasnt allowed to be broadcasted.

 

 

And I personally knew a man who's job it was to catch them and to advise the Ministry about big cats in the wild in the UK. Why would they employ a person specifically for a task that did not exist? And why is that the cats that he did catch were hushed up? See above post re- public outcry.

 

OTC

[MOO 730]

They marks look nothing like a big cat ....and why would a big cat attack an animal as big and strong as a horse when there are deer sheep etc for it to eat ?

[steve66 3,552]

Sorry but i dont believe it theirs big cats all over the country its funny how no wildlife programs have tried to prove other wise as they managed to find and film snow leopards in a vast area like the hinducush but wont attempt to try and find them in the british countryside

 

I'm with you on this one, big cats are not that elusive, they've got to shit, sent mark, there is no mistaking the smell of cat piss. Plus, females on heat can be heard for miles, if they were there, there would be no secret we would know , and the marks on that horse look nothing like big cat scratches.

Strange how you never hear of any fox packs putting one out , and there out week after week

[mushroom 13,196]

Sorry but i dont believe it theirs big cats all over the country its funny how no wildlife programs have tried to prove other wise as they managed to find and film snow leopards in a vast area like the hinducush but wont attempt to try and find them in the british countryside

 

Exactly poach I could decide today to find any animal in the british countryside and and find the fecker by tea time

 

 

Sorry but i dont believe it theirs big cats all over the country its funny how no wildlife programs have tried to prove other wise as they managed to find and film snow leopards in a vast area like the hinducush but wont attempt to try and find them in the british countryside

 

I'm with you on this one, big cats are not that elusive, they've got to shit, sent mark, there is no mistaking the smell of cat piss. Plus, females on heat can be heard for miles, if they were there, there would be no secret we would know , and the marks on that horse look nothing like big cat scratches.

 

Of course they have to scent mark and yowl when in heat so their presence would be obvious. Those scratches do not look like a big cat attack there are not enough parallel scratches. A big cat has four claws like a dog that would leave pretty much four parallel scratches, plus the dew claw which is used to grab and would leave a thumb scratch running with the main claw scratches or puncture wounds nearby but they are not there. A big cat ALWAYS grips prey with it's dew claws to wrestle it to the ground this is their purpose.

[Guest stewie]

i think four would struggle to bring a horse down

[mushroom 13,196]

i think four would struggle to bring a horse down

 

Four what mate????? One big cat is capable of pulling a horse down single handed (ie lion, tiger, leopard, jaguar, puma. Not cheeta) I've heard stories of them attacking weaker horses from mustang bands and pulling it off. Leopards will attack pretty much anything so long as they feel they have an advatage, jaguars are the same. There is no reason why a hungry big cat shouldn't attack a horse it has the capability but think hannah already said it only when they are somehow compromised, desperate or ill will they take the risk.

[danw 1,748]

http://www.lochness.co.uk/livecam/images/lochnessmonster.jpg Edited June 6, 2010 by danw

[Huwidge 69]

 

have to disagree with you on that one. in the paper a few weeks back it was saying about a man that made a documentry on big cats in britain. he collected so much evidence that the program wasnt allowed to be broadcasted because they would fear what the reaction of the public would be. i know the paper isnt always true but this program wasnt allowed to be broadcasted.

 

 

And I personally knew a man who's job it was to catch them and to advise the Ministry about big cats in the wild in the UK. Why would they employ a person specifically for a task that did not exist? And why is that the cats that he did catch were hushed up? See above post re- public outcry.

 

OTC

 

did he actually catch any?

[Born Hunter 17,797]

Sorry but i dont believe it theirs big cats all over the country its funny how no wildlife programs have tried to prove other wise as they managed to find and film snow leopards in a vast area like the hinducush but wont attempt to try and find them in the british countryside

 

I'm with you on this one, big cats are not that elusive, they've got to shit, sent mark, there is no mistaking the smell of cat piss. Plus, females on heat can be heard for miles, if they were there, there would be no secret we would know , and the marks on that horse look nothing like big cat scratches.

 

have to disagree with you on that one. in the paper a few weeks back it was saying about a man that made a documentry on big cats in britain. he collected so much evidence that the program wasnt allowed to be broadcasted because they would fear what the reaction of the public would be. i know the paper isnt always true but this program wasnt allowed to be broadcasted.

 

 

That video is pretty convincing, but i remain sceptical... But then even if one is shot and on the front page of the papers ill still remain sceptical, lol.

[Hannah4181 260]

They marks look nothing like a big cat ....and why would a big cat attack an animal as big and strong as a horse when there are deer sheep etc for it to eat ?

 

 

 

In times of desperation i.e illness, old, frail, a big cat will tackle anything in a bid to survive. I've seen it with my own eyes in Africa, and done enough work with big cats to know what they are capable off. Your right the marks on the horse are not as you would expect them to appear from a big cat, however if the animal was injured, and or too old to make any considerable impact on an animal as large as a horse, then random, weak, swipes in desperation would be similar to the injuries shown. I once assisted with the treatment of a zebra whom had been the victim of a young, captive leopard attack . . . and again the similarities in injuries sustained are consistent with the ones above.

 

The big cats in the Uk debate will roll on and on . . . . i for one believe they are around. In all my time in Africa the hours, days, weeks spent in the bush, the sightings of leopards were so very rare, yes if we tracked one for a while and stayed with it then its doable. But general spur of the moment sightings are rare, twice i saw them in 6 months, they are so elusive. How many of us walk the countryside daily actively looking for big cats??? Their territories are huge and they are nocturnal, i would bet anyone standing in a thick woodland would NEVER spot a leopard hiding in a tree . . . you just can't see them for looking. The other point to consider is the problem of big cats in the UK is closely linked to the influx of them as pets after Michael Jackson had his black jag . . .. sighting a normal leopard would be hard enough, a black one in a british woodland . . . near impossible, without serious expertise and a considerable amount of time and dedication.

[ratattack 111]

Sorry but i dont believe it theirs big cats all over the country its funny how no wildlife programs have tried to prove other wise as they managed to find and film snow leopards in a vast area like the hinducush but wont attempt to try and find them in the british countryside

 

I'm with you on this one, big cats are not that elusive, they've got to shit, sent mark, there is no mistaking the smell of cat piss. Plus, females on heat can be heard for miles, if they were there, there would be no secret we would know , and the marks on that horse look nothing like big cat scratches.

Strange how you never hear of any fox packs putting one out , and there out week after week

 

 

Well a few years back when out with a pack local to cheltenham 4 of us saw a big cat, it came through about 20mins ahead of the pack of hounds. It passed across a gateway and the 4 of us stood there looked at each other and asked if we all saw it! The hounds came through on the same track and passed through the same gateway so we had a good size comparison!! yes there are big cats in the wild in the uk, not many but they are there for certain!

[poacher3161 1,766]

Why carnt they set cameras with censors on in areas were they are supposed to be and find out wether they exsist or not or like the mythical beast of bodmin dont they want the truth to be known as the myth still atracts tourists to the area

[GET THEM OUT (.)(.) 39]

they are out there, ,

 

i have shite my self on 2 occasions, :sick:

 

and i wasnt

[poacher3161 1,766]

Like Hannah said this debate will roll on and on.I used to read with intrest letters to the shooting times in the late 70s early 80s about sightings of big cats wich then would have been more likely to be true due to the dangerous wild animals act of 1976 were before that any large cat could be bought and it was not unusual to see pumas and such advertised in the exchange and mart and with the passing of the act no doubt a lot would have been dumped in remote parts of the countryside.Imagine if this act had not been brought in and the chavs pet had been a bengal tiger instead of a staffy atb dell

[Hannah4181 260]

Like Hannah said this debate will roll on and on.I used to read with intrest letters to the shooting times in the late 70s early 80s about sightings of big cats wich then would have been more likely to be true due to the dangerous wild animals act of 1976 were before that any large cat could be bought and it was not unusual to see pumas and such advertised in the exchange and mart and with the passing of the act no doubt a lot would have been dumped in remote parts of the countryside.Imagine if this act had not been brought in and the chavs pet had been a bengal tiger instead of a staffy atb dell

 

 

People will always be disbelieving of it, but your spot on with the introduction of the Dangerous animals act 76 . . . . stipulating that keepers of such exotics would need to adhere to the legislation laid down in the act . . . improved enclosures, licenses etc etc . . . it was too much work and expense for many, thus leading to the release of many "pets". There is no reason why some of these released cats could not thrive in the remote british countryside, breeding and existing with ease. Now i wouldn't suspect that there is a massive amount still living wild today, but there's sure to be some and a i explained earlier, if you consider their territory size and their elusive behaviours, its not really shocking that they don't get spotted often enough to prove the theory.