poacherman 353 Posted June 4, 2010 Report Share Posted June 4, 2010 getting a house soon so i will be able to get myself another lurcher. i stay with my dad the now and limted to how many dogs i can have. ive got a salukixgrey whippetxgrey and shes 22tts but a would like a bigger dog. does anyone run a deerhoundxgreyhound and could give me there opinions on them and show me some pictures of some deerhound crosses. would be appreciated atb poacherman Quote Link to post
Guest deerhound hunter Posted June 4, 2010 Report Share Posted June 4, 2010 getting a house soon so i will be able to get myself another lurcher. i stay with my dad the now and limted to how many dogs i can have. ive got a salukixgrey whippetxgrey and shes 22tts but a would like a bigger dog. does anyone run a deerhoundxgreyhound and could give me there opinions on them and show me some pictures of some deerhound crosses. would be appreciated atb poacherman he;s mine deerhound greyx he,s 29-30tts Quote Link to post
Guest jt750 Posted June 4, 2010 Report Share Posted June 4, 2010 getting a house soon so i will be able to get myself another lurcher. i stay with my dad the now and limted to how many dogs i can have. ive got a salukixgrey whippetxgrey and shes 22tts but a would like a bigger dog. does anyone run a deerhoundxgreyhound and could give me there opinions on them and show me some pictures of some deerhound crosses. would be appreciated atb poacherman Hey the truth is out your nowt but a messing kid living with his dad ...be careful what you tell this messing eejit ..trust me i have a nose for these type of people Quote Link to post
romany52 313 Posted June 4, 2010 Report Share Posted June 4, 2010 I'll upset a few folk now, talking first crosses only, if you want something that looks great and moves amazingly, then get one ,if you are serious about hunting , forget it. They're either too big for what your hunting in this country, or if hunting something big, they're not agile enough. 1 Quote Link to post
Dan Edwards 1,134 Posted June 4, 2010 Report Share Posted June 4, 2010 I'll upset a few folk now, talking first crosses only, if you want something that looks great and moves amazingly, then get one ,if you are serious about hunting , forget it. They're either too big for what your hunting in this country, or if hunting something big, they're not agile enough. I might be inclined to trust you on that but I have no knowledge of course cuz I dont live there. How do you rate them though bred to a bullxgreyhound? Quote Link to post
romany52 313 Posted June 4, 2010 Report Share Posted June 4, 2010 I'll upset a few folk now, talking first crosses only, if you want something that looks great and moves amazingly, then get one ,if you are serious about hunting , forget it. They're either too big for what your hunting in this country, or if hunting something big, they're not agile enough. I might be inclined to trust you on that but I have no knowledge of course cuz I dont live there. How do you rate them though bred to a bullxgreyhound? I can't comment on that cross mate, never tried it. Tried pure deerhound and first crosses, found them disappointing, moved on to saluki crosses and can't think why anyone would not want them. Quote Link to post
Dan Edwards 1,134 Posted June 4, 2010 Report Share Posted June 4, 2010 I'll upset a few folk now, talking first crosses only, if you want something that looks great and moves amazingly, then get one ,if you are serious about hunting , forget it. They're either too big for what your hunting in this country, or if hunting something big, they're not agile enough. I might be inclined to trust you on that but I have no knowledge of course cuz I dont live there. How do you rate them though bred to a bullxgreyhound? I can't comment on that cross mate, never tried it. Tried pure deerhound and first crosses, found them disappointing, moved on to saluki crosses and can't think why anyone would not want them. Fair enough. We dont do alot of criss crossing over here really so I know nuttin about "lurchers" but just cant see why a dog like that wouldnt work. Quote Link to post
chartpolski 24,264 Posted June 4, 2010 Report Share Posted June 4, 2010 I'll upset a few folk now, talking first crosses only, if you want something that looks great and moves amazingly, then get one ,if you are serious about hunting , forget it. They're either too big for what your hunting in this country, or if hunting something big, they're not agile enough. Bit of a sweeping statement, that ! I've seen deer x's doing everything that other x's can do, and sometimes more, up here in Northumberland....and BTW, I'm a big Saluki fan, so no breed blindness here ! LOL ! Cheers. Quote Link to post
romany52 313 Posted June 4, 2010 Report Share Posted June 4, 2010 I'll upset a few folk now, talking first crosses only, if you want something that looks great and moves amazingly, then get one ,if you are serious about hunting , forget it. They're either too big for what your hunting in this country, or if hunting something big, they're not agile enough. I might be inclined to trust you on that but I have no knowledge of course cuz I dont live there. How do you rate them though bred to a bullxgreyhound? I can't comment on that cross mate, never tried it. Tried pure deerhound and first crosses, found them disappointing, moved on to saluki crosses and can't think why anyone would not want them. Fair enough. We dont do alot of criss crossing over here really so I know nuttin about "lurchers" but just cant see why a dog like that wouldnt work. We just don't have the open spaces for such big dogs as deerhounds or first crosses, most fields are probably the size of your back yards, the fens being the main exception, but the saluki crosses with their far superior stamina dominate on that expanse of flat ,open land. The pray down there is the brown hare so there is just no need for the great size of the deerhound, I've seen dogs of 22" do a decent job, not the best but adequate. About 26" is probably the the ideal size for hares, when you consider that I've seen deerhounds 34" you start to appreciate the problem . Then you have to look at strength to weight ratio, a dog twice the weight is not twice as strong, the heavier the weight that's travelling in any direction, the harder it is to stop or change direction, so a big dog cannot change direction as good as a smaller one. When coursing dogs single handed, which is the norm over hear, all these things have a bearing on the outcome. Quote Link to post
romany52 313 Posted June 4, 2010 Report Share Posted June 4, 2010 three quarter greyhound 1+4 dearhound will catch you anything you want to hunt. I only spoke of first crosses mate. Quote Link to post
Guest fence_hopper Posted June 4, 2010 Report Share Posted June 4, 2010 (edited) I'll upset a few folk now, talking first crosses only, if you want something that looks great and moves amazingly, then get one ,if you are serious about hunting , forget it. They're either too big for what your hunting in this country, or if hunting something big, they're not agile enough. Bit of a sweeping statement, that ! I've seen deer x's doing everything that other x's can do, and sometimes more, up here in Northumberland....and BTW, I'm a big Saluki fan, so no breed blindness here ! LOL ! Cheers. ah but mister chartposki you own a deerhound x so you will stick up for them me personly would rather something smaller cheaper to feed that you dont need a field a mile long and wide for them to get up to top speed and turn imo Edited June 4, 2010 by fence_hopper Quote Link to post
Dan Edwards 1,134 Posted June 4, 2010 Report Share Posted June 4, 2010 I'll upset a few folk now, talking first crosses only, if you want something that looks great and moves amazingly, then get one ,if you are serious about hunting , forget it. They're either too big for what your hunting in this country, or if hunting something big, they're not agile enough. I might be inclined to trust you on that but I have no knowledge of course cuz I dont live there. How do you rate them though bred to a bullxgreyhound? I can't comment on that cross mate, never tried it. Tried pure deerhound and first crosses, found them disappointing, moved on to saluki crosses and can't think why anyone would not want them. Fair enough. We dont do alot of criss crossing over here really so I know nuttin about "lurchers" but just cant see why a dog like that wouldnt work. We just don't have the open spaces for such big dogs as deerhounds or first crosses, most fields are probably the size of your back yards, the fens being the main exception, but the saluki crosses with their far superior stamina dominate on that expanse of flat ,open land. The pray down there is the brown hare so there is just no need for the great size of the deerhound, I've seen dogs of 22" do a decent job, not the best but adequate. About 26" is probably the the ideal size for hares, when you consider that I've seen deerhounds 34" you start to appreciate the problem . Then you have to look at strength to weight ratio, a dog twice the weight is not twice as strong, the heavier the weight that's travelling in any direction, the harder it is to stop or change direction, so a big dog cannot change direction as good as a smaller one. When coursing dogs single handed, which is the norm over hear, all these things have a bearing on the outcome. Yes, I agree with you 100%. What I meant was I would think that a deer cross bred to a bull cross might would work in them small fields. Sorry if I confused you. Quote Link to post
chartpolski 24,264 Posted June 4, 2010 Report Share Posted June 4, 2010 I'll upset a few folk now, talking first crosses only, if you want something that looks great and moves amazingly, then get one ,if you are serious about hunting , forget it. They're either too big for what your hunting in this country, or if hunting something big, they're not agile enough. Bit of a sweeping statement, that ! I've seen deer x's doing everything that other x's can do, and sometimes more, up here in Northumberland....and BTW, I'm a big Saluki fan, so no breed blindness here ! LOL ! Cheers. ah but mister chartposki you own a deerhound x so you will stick up for them me personly woul rather something smaller cheaper to feed that you dont need a field a mile long and wide for them to get up to top speed and turn imo I also own a Beddy X, and have owned most X's and purebreds, and as I said, I'm not breed blind. Only speaking as I've seen; how many Deer/Grey X's have you seen run on the fells and moors ? Cheers. Quote Link to post
romany52 313 Posted June 4, 2010 Report Share Posted June 4, 2010 I'll upset a few folk now, talking first crosses only, if you want something that looks great and moves amazingly, then get one ,if you are serious about hunting , forget it. They're either too big for what your hunting in this country, or if hunting something big, they're not agile enough. Bit of a sweeping statement, that ! I've seen deer x's doing everything that other x's can do, and sometimes more, up here in Northumberland....and BTW, I'm a big Saluki fan, so no breed blindness here ! LOL ! Cheers. No kennel blindness here mate, I don't own a running dog at present. I speak from experience, having ran a pure deerhound and bred and ran first crosses. I don't doubt there will be the odd exception, there always is, but that's what they are, the odd exception. If they are so good where are the first crosses, they were tried and tested and found wanting, so they fell out of favour ,now the new generation of lurcher men want to try them again. No doubt with the same result, they are just too big. Quote Link to post
romany52 313 Posted June 4, 2010 Report Share Posted June 4, 2010 I'll upset a few folk now, talking first crosses only, if you want something that looks great and moves amazingly, then get one ,if you are serious about hunting , forget it. They're either too big for what your hunting in this country, or if hunting something big, they're not agile enough. I might be inclined to trust you on that but I have no knowledge of course cuz I dont live there. How do you rate them though bred to a bullxgreyhound? I can't comment on that cross mate, never tried it. Tried pure deerhound and first crosses, found them disappointing, moved on to saluki crosses and can't think why anyone would not want them. Fair enough. We dont do alot of criss crossing over here really so I know nuttin about "lurchers" but just cant see why a dog like that wouldnt work. We just don't have the open spaces for such big dogs as deerhounds or first crosses, most fields are probably the size of your back yards, the fens being the main exception, but the saluki crosses with their far superior stamina dominate on that expanse of flat ,open land. The pray down there is the brown hare so there is just no need for the great size of the deerhound, I've seen dogs of 22" do a decent job, not the best but adequate. About 26" is probably the the ideal size for hares, when you consider that I've seen deerhounds 34" you start to appreciate the problem . Then you have to look at strength to weight ratio, a dog twice the weight is not twice as strong, the heavier the weight that's travelling in any direction, the harder it is to stop or change direction, so a big dog cannot change direction as good as a smaller one. When coursing dogs single handed, which is the norm over hear, all these things have a bearing on the outcome. Yes, I agree with you 100%. What I meant was I would think that a deer cross bred to a bull cross might would work in them small fields. Sorry if I confused you. There is nothing wrong with a touch of deerhound in a dog of the appropriate size. Quote Link to post
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