my new dog

[shaaark 10,710]

Fair play. Same thing happened to me a couple of years ago:(

Edited September 11, 2010 by shaaark

[Guest Buttermilk]

That was a short romance!!

it certainly was ,shame it was a very nice dog

 

 

in short Lads, when a dog goes to sheep, you have no alternative end of story,

 

 

I've stock-broken 7 Lurchers that have previously worried sheep.

It can be done, but needs patience, time and utter vigilance.

[border lad 1,047]

yes but you never had a Saluki x he new his recall, but for some reason, when they cock the deaf ear, you have NO chance,

and believe you me when you are on hot ground you require your dog to be under reasonable command, I was ashamed to say that I had been trying to train this dog for over 3 months, but when you have a rogue, there is nothing you can do with him, and you are the saviour, to the dog world to train 7 dogs from sheep worrying give yourself a big clap on the back, when a dog is out of sight you have No control, you are relying on his ability to take the quarry he is chasing not, the woolie backs, I had him through sheep and in a pen with sheep butter would not melt in his mouth when I was close to him but when his Blood was up and I was not insight a different Ball game, the answer is rear a pup from the time he leaves his bitch, and school him to your commands, Recall, stand, stay, fetch, hiss him out,go on then,, every time you take him out in the car or van you are teaching him to get up, and stay, then on to hand signals, yes if I had more time maybe I could have saved him, but time is not on my side any more,, going onto 66 ((( I wonder if you will have the desire to walk out with a good dog at that age in all types of weather I doubt very few will only Genuine dog men /orlassies, end of story, it was not my Idea, to conclude on this dog,,

[optimus 447]

NO DOG CAN EVER BE ASSUMED AS 100% TOTALY BOMB PROOF. THERE IS ALWAYS A DANGER. ESPECIALY IN A PACK SCENARIO.

[Guest Buttermilk]

yes but you never had a Saluki x he new his recall, but for some reason, when they cock the deaf ear, you have NO chance,

and believe you me when you are on hot ground you require your dog to be under reasonable command, I was ashamed to say that I had been trying to train this dog for over 3 months, but when you have a rogue, there is nothing you can do with him, and you are the saviour, to the dog world to train 7 dogs from sheep worrying give yourself a big clap on the back, when a dog is out of sight you have No control, you are relying on his ability to take the quarry he is chasing not, the woolie backs, I had him through sheep and in a pen with sheep butter would not melt in his mouth when I was close to him but when his Blood was up and I was not insight a different Ball game, the answer is rear a pup from the time he leaves his bitch, and school him to your commands, Recall, stand, stay, fetch, hiss him out,go on then,, every time you take him out in the car or van you are teaching him to get up, and stay, then on to hand signals, yes if I had more time maybe I could have saved him, but time is not on my side any more,, going onto 66 ((( I wonder if you will have the desire to walk out with a good dog at that age in all types of weather I doubt very few will only Genuine dog men /orlassies, end of story, it was not my Idea, to conclude on this dog,,

 

 

I know what you mean....and hats off to you.

It seems to me it's often the Saluki x's that worry sheep, infact most of the sheep worriers I've come across had a good bit of Saluki in them. And you're right....it's a totally different story when you're there next to the dog as opposed to when he's out of sight, blood up and on the chase. Then it's almost impossible to control the dog.

And believe me, I'm far from 'the Saviour of the dog world'...I just had lots of time and some knowledge. But I hear what you say re: time not being on your side... you're obviously a real dogman and have the best interest of the dog at heart...he was in fantastic condition.

I might have seen you sometime at Flimby show.

[Tiff 36]

when a farmers livelyhood relies on their flocks and herds being healthy and undisturbed, a stockworrying dog is a huge liability ... just one mishap can cost you (and every other honest dog man who comes after you) permission for miles and miles around. There is stockbroken ... and then there is STOCKBROKEN. True nothing is 100% as they are just animals, and I've done a fair bit of rescue in my time. I am willing to be patient and work through issues, with the exception of 2 things ... a proven stockworrier (and not just a one-off run-by or a look), and a managressive dog (unless that is his job). And just passing that dog off to someone else, even a "pet home", is just asking for future troubles in its "new" home. Been there, done that lol

[J Darcy 5,871]

yes but you never had a Saluki x he new his recall, but for some reason, when they cock the deaf ear, you have NO chance,

and believe you me when you are on hot ground you require your dog to be under reasonable command, I was ashamed to say that I had been trying to train this dog for over 3 months, but when you have a rogue, there is nothing you can do with him, and you are the saviour, to the dog world to train 7 dogs from sheep worrying give yourself a big clap on the back, when a dog is out of sight you have No control, you are relying on his ability to take the quarry he is chasing not, the woolie backs, I had him through sheep and in a pen with sheep butter would not melt in his mouth when I was close to him but when his Blood was up and I was not insight a different Ball game, the answer is rear a pup from the time he leaves his bitch, and school him to your commands, Recall, stand, stay, fetch, hiss him out,go on then,, every time you take him out in the car or van you are teaching him to get up, and stay, then on to hand signals, yes if I had more time maybe I could have saved him, but time is not on my side any more,, going onto 66 ((( I wonder if you will have the desire to walk out with a good dog at that age in all types of weather I doubt very few will only Genuine dog men /orlassies, end of story, it was not my Idea, to conclude on this dog,,

 

 

I know what you mean....and hats off to you.

It seems to me it's often the Saluki x's that worry sheep, infact most of the sheep worriers I've come across had a good bit of Saluki in them. And you're right....it's a totally different story when you're there next to the dog as opposed to when he's out of sight, blood up and on the chase. Then it's almost impossible to control the dog.

And believe me, I'm far from 'the Saviour of the dog world'...I just had lots of time and some knowledge. But I hear what you say re: time not being on your side... you're obviously a real dogman and have the best interest of the dog at heart...he was in fantastic condition.

I might have seen you sometime at Flimby show.

 

 

I have spent a good deal of my time with the saluki lurchers and never, ever had one worry sheep. IMO they can all be learnt, BUT the responsible and intelligent lurcher owner will instill into the dog at an early age that sheep are a benign wolly mass that is to be viewed with indifference and ignored.

[lurcherman 28]

nice dog:notworthy:

[Guest Buttermilk]

yes but you never had a Saluki x he new his recall, but for some reason, when they cock the deaf ear, you have NO chance,

and believe you me when you are on hot ground you require your dog to be under reasonable command, I was ashamed to say that I had been trying to train this dog for over 3 months, but when you have a rogue, there is nothing you can do with him, and you are the saviour, to the dog world to train 7 dogs from sheep worrying give yourself a big clap on the back, when a dog is out of sight you have No control, you are relying on his ability to take the quarry he is chasing not, the woolie backs, I had him through sheep and in a pen with sheep butter would not melt in his mouth when I was close to him but when his Blood was up and I was not insight a different Ball game, the answer is rear a pup from the time he leaves his bitch, and school him to your commands, Recall, stand, stay, fetch, hiss him out,go on then,, every time you take him out in the car or van you are teaching him to get up, and stay, then on to hand signals, yes if I had more time maybe I could have saved him, but time is not on my side any more,, going onto 66 ((( I wonder if you will have the desire to walk out with a good dog at that age in all types of weather I doubt very few will only Genuine dog men /orlassies, end of story, it was not my Idea, to conclude on this dog,,

 

 

I know what you mean....and hats off to you.

It seems to me it's often the Saluki x's that worry sheep, infact most of the sheep worriers I've come across had a good bit of Saluki in them. And you're right....it's a totally different story when you're there next to the dog as opposed to when he's out of sight, blood up and on the chase. Then it's almost impossible to control the dog.

And believe me, I'm far from 'the Saviour of the dog world'...I just had lots of time and some knowledge. But I hear what you say re: time not being on your side... you're obviously a real dogman and have the best interest of the dog at heart...he was in fantastic condition.

I might have seen you sometime at Flimby show.

 

 

I have spent a good deal of my time with the saluki lurchers and never, ever had one worry sheep. IMO they can all be learnt, BUT the responsible and intelligent lurcher owner will instill into the dog at an early age that sheep are a benign wolly mass that is to be viewed with indifference and ignored.

 

 

You're right...if you have a Saluki Lurcher from a young age and train him properly, I'm sure he'll be unlikely ever to worry sheep.

You are an experienced, reponsible and knowledgable Lurcher owner.....some people aren't and end up with badly trained dogs.

None of my Lurchers have ever even 'looked' at a sheep...as you say,as far as the dog is concerned, they are to be totally ignorned.

Two of my Lurcher bitches have actually been 'kennelled out' in the stables with orphaned lambs. Sheep are not seen as quarry by my dogs. Full stop.

I start the stock-training with my dogs from day one.My 14 week old pup walks through sheep every day, off the lead and ignores them totally...if she so much as looks at them I chastise her, she gets in the pen with them and is so indifferent to them now, she just lies down and snoozes. Cats are included in the breaking too ....let's not go there again!

The Lurchers I have had to stock-train fom adolescence or adulthood have been dogs that have come to me through rescue...and as I said earlier...a good percentage of these dogs have been Saluki crosses.

One dog who was virtually impossible to 'break' was a 3 yr old 3/4 Saluki/1/4 Grey...as Border Lad said earlier, he was billiant if I was there or within earshot, and would happily wander around the flock without any problems....but if he could, he'd try to sneak off and start to 'hunt up' a sheep.

He went to live on the Isle of Wight with friends of my parents, a retired GP and his wife. They have a very large estate and no sheep for miles around!

Edited September 11, 2010 by Buttermilk

[billy bronk 76]

yes but you never had a Saluki x he new his recall, but for some reason, when they cock the deaf ear, you have NO chance,

and believe you me when you are on hot ground you require your dog to be under reasonable command, I was ashamed to say that I had been trying to train this dog for over 3 months, but when you have a rogue, there is nothing you can do with him, and you are the saviour, to the dog world to train 7 dogs from sheep worrying give yourself a big clap on the back, when a dog is out of sight you have No control, you are relying on his ability to take the quarry he is chasing not, the woolie backs, I had him through sheep and in a pen with sheep butter would not melt in his mouth when I was close to him but when his Blood was up and I was not insight a different Ball game, the answer is rear a pup from the time he leaves his bitch, and school him to your commands, Recall, stand, stay, fetch, hiss him out,go on then,, every time you take him out in the car or van you are teaching him to get up, and stay, then on to hand signals, yes if I had more time maybe I could have saved him, but time is not on my side any more,, going onto 66 ((( I wonder if you will have the desire to walk out with a good dog at that age in all types of weather I doubt very few will only Genuine dog men /orlassies, end of story, it was not my Idea, to conclude on this dog,,

 

 

I know what you mean....and hats off to you.

It seems to me it's often the Saluki x's that worry sheep, infact most of the sheep worriers I've come across had a good bit of Saluki in them. And you're right....it's a totally different story when you're there next to the dog as opposed to when he's out of sight, blood up and on the chase. Then it's almost impossible to control the dog.

And believe me, I'm far from 'the Saviour of the dog world'...I just had lots of time and some knowledge. But I hear what you say re: time not being on your side... you're obviously a real dogman and have the best interest of the dog at heart...he was in fantastic condition.

I might have seen you sometime at Flimby show.

what a tool,its often the saluki x that worry sheep,and how may saluki crosses have you come across,any dog will worry sheep if its not stock broken right

[Guest Buttermilk]

yes but you never had a Saluki x he new his recall, but for some reason, when they cock the deaf ear, you have NO chance,

and believe you me when you are on hot ground you require your dog to be under reasonable command, I was ashamed to say that I had been trying to train this dog for over 3 months, but when you have a rogue, there is nothing you can do with him, and you are the saviour, to the dog world to train 7 dogs from sheep worrying give yourself a big clap on the back, when a dog is out of sight you have No control, you are relying on his ability to take the quarry he is chasing not, the woolie backs, I had him through sheep and in a pen with sheep butter would not melt in his mouth when I was close to him but when his Blood was up and I was not insight a different Ball game, the answer is rear a pup from the time he leaves his bitch, and school him to your commands, Recall, stand, stay, fetch, hiss him out,go on then,, every time you take him out in the car or van you are teaching him to get up, and stay, then on to hand signals, yes if I had more time maybe I could have saved him, but time is not on my side any more,, going onto 66 ((( I wonder if you will have the desire to walk out with a good dog at that age in all types of weather I doubt very few will only Genuine dog men /orlassies, end of story, it was not my Idea, to conclude on this dog,,

 

 

I know what you mean....and hats off to you.

It seems to me it's often the Saluki x's that worry sheep, infact most of the sheep worriers I've come across had a good bit of Saluki in them. And you're right....it's a totally different story when you're there next to the dog as opposed to when he's out of sight, blood up and on the chase. Then it's almost impossible to control the dog.

And believe me, I'm far from 'the Saviour of the dog world'...I just had lots of time and some knowledge. But I hear what you say re: time not being on your side... you're obviously a real dogman and have the best interest of the dog at heart...he was in fantastic condition.

I might have seen you sometime at Flimby show.

what a tool,its often the saluki x that worry sheep,and how may saluki crosses have you come across,any dog will worry sheep if its not stock broken right

 

Oh dear .... I seem to have upset you.

Tell you what...why not read the whole thread and then you can answer your own question.

[billy bronk 76]

yes but you never had a Saluki x he new his recall, but for some reason, when they cock the deaf ear, you have NO chance,

and believe you me when you are on hot ground you require your dog to be under reasonable command, I was ashamed to say that I had been trying to train this dog for over 3 months, but when you have a rogue, there is nothing you can do with him, and you are the saviour, to the dog world to train 7 dogs from sheep worrying give yourself a big clap on the back, when a dog is out of sight you have No control, you are relying on his ability to take the quarry he is chasing not, the woolie backs, I had him through sheep and in a pen with sheep butter would not melt in his mouth when I was close to him but when his Blood was up and I was not insight a different Ball game, the answer is rear a pup from the time he leaves his bitch, and school him to your commands, Recall, stand, stay, fetch, hiss him out,go on then,, every time you take him out in the car or van you are teaching him to get up, and stay, then on to hand signals, yes if I had more time maybe I could have saved him, but time is not on my side any more,, going onto 66 ((( I wonder if you will have the desire to walk out with a good dog at that age in all types of weather I doubt very few will only Genuine dog men /orlassies, end of story, it was not my Idea, to conclude on this dog,,

 

 

I know what you mean....and hats off to you.

It seems to me it's often the Saluki x's that worry sheep, infact most of the sheep worriers I've come across had a good bit of Saluki in them. And you're right....it's a totally different story when you're there next to the dog as opposed to when he's out of sight, blood up and on the chase. Then it's almost impossible to control the dog.

And believe me, I'm far from 'the Saviour of the dog world'...I just had lots of time and some knowledge. But I hear what you say re: time not being on your side... you're obviously a real dogman and have the best interest of the dog at heart...he was in fantastic condition.

I might have seen you sometime at Flimby show.

what a tool,its often the saluki x that worry sheep,and how may saluki crosses have you come across,any dog will worry sheep if its not stock broken right

 

Oh dear .... I seem to have upset you.

Tell you what...why not read the whole thread and then you can answer your own question.

so how many saluki crosses have you come across that attack sheep,you havnt upset me,i just didnt know that all saluki crosses were sheep bandits SORRY

[Guest Buttermilk]

yes but you never had a Saluki x he new his recall, but for some reason, when they cock the deaf ear, you have NO chance,

and believe you me when you are on hot ground you require your dog to be under reasonable command, I was ashamed to say that I had been trying to train this dog for over 3 months, but when you have a rogue, there is nothing you can do with him, and you are the saviour, to the dog world to train 7 dogs from sheep worrying give yourself a big clap on the back, when a dog is out of sight you have No control, you are relying on his ability to take the quarry he is chasing not, the woolie backs, I had him through sheep and in a pen with sheep butter would not melt in his mouth when I was close to him but when his Blood was up and I was not insight a different Ball game, the answer is rear a pup from the time he leaves his bitch, and school him to your commands, Recall, stand, stay, fetch, hiss him out,go on then,, every time you take him out in the car or van you are teaching him to get up, and stay, then on to hand signals, yes if I had more time maybe I could have saved him, but time is not on my side any more,, going onto 66 ((( I wonder if you will have the desire to walk out with a good dog at that age in all types of weather I doubt very few will only Genuine dog men /orlassies, end of story, it was not my Idea, to conclude on this dog,,

 

 

I know what you mean....and hats off to you.

It seems to me it's often the Saluki x's that worry sheep, infact most of the sheep worriers I've come across had a good bit of Saluki in them. And you're right....it's a totally different story when you're there next to the dog as opposed to when he's out of sight, blood up and on the chase. Then it's almost impossible to control the dog.

And believe me, I'm far from 'the Saviour of the dog world'...I just had lots of time and some knowledge. But I hear what you say re: time not being on your side... you're obviously a real dogman and have the best interest of the dog at heart...he was in fantastic condition.

I might have seen you sometime at Flimby show.

what a tool,its often the saluki x that worry sheep,and how may saluki crosses have you come across,any dog will worry sheep if its not stock broken right

 

Oh dear .... I seem to have upset you.

Tell you what...why not read the whole thread and then you can answer your own question.

so how many saluki crosses have you come across that attack sheep,you havnt upset me,i just didnt know that all saluki crosses were sheep bandits SORRY

 

 

I didn't know that all Saluki crosses were 'sheep bandits' either ...I have owned one Saluki and one 3/4 Saluki that were bomb-proof with sheep.

But I've been involved in Lurcher rescue for many years and have found that a good percentage of the more determined sheep worriers that came to me, had Saluki in them. Just an observation.

And don't worry, no need to apologise...I was just slightly surprised to be called a 'tool'.

[feed the bear 13]

yes but you never had a Saluki x he new his recall, but for some reason, when they cock the deaf ear, you have NO chance,

and believe you me when you are on hot ground you require your dog to be under reasonable command, I was ashamed to say that I had been trying to train this dog for over 3 months, but when you have a rogue, there is nothing you can do with him, and you are the saviour, to the dog world to train 7 dogs from sheep worrying give yourself a big clap on the back, when a dog is out of sight you have No control, you are relying on his ability to take the quarry he is chasing not, the woolie backs, I had him through sheep and in a pen with sheep butter would not melt in his mouth when I was close to him but when his Blood was up and I was not insight a different Ball game, the answer is rear a pup from the time he leaves his bitch, and school him to your commands, Recall, stand, stay, fetch, hiss him out,go on then,, every time you take him out in the car or van you are teaching him to get up, and stay, then on to hand signals, yes if I had more time maybe I could have saved him, but time is not on my side any more,, going onto 66 ((( I wonder if you will have the desire to walk out with a good dog at that age in all types of weather I doubt very few will only Genuine dog men /orlassies, end of story, it was not my Idea, to conclude on this dog,,

 

 

I know what you mean....and hats off to you.

It seems to me it's often the Saluki x's that worry sheep, infact most of the sheep worriers I've come across had a good bit of Saluki in them. And you're right....it's a totally different story when you're there next to the dog as opposed to when he's out of sight, blood up and on the chase. Then it's almost impossible to control the dog.

And believe me, I'm far from 'the Saviour of the dog world'...I just had lots of time and some knowledge. But I hear what you say re: time not being on your side... you're obviously a real dogman and have the best interest of the dog at heart...he was in fantastic condition.

I might have seen you sometime at Flimby show.

what a tool,its often the saluki x that worry sheep,and how may saluki crosses have you come across,any dog will worry sheep if its not stock broken right

 

Too true....... No need for the name calling though is there? I've generally found that most crosses of dog will worry sheep but its generally the slower types like your bull cross and err saluki....... Just my opinion mind..... don't want to start getting called wee girly names over it.......

[dytkos 17,784]

yes but you never had a Saluki x he new his recall, but for some reason, when they cock the deaf ear, you have NO chance,

and believe you me when you are on hot ground you require your dog to be under reasonable command, I was ashamed to say that I had been trying to train this dog for over 3 months, but when you have a rogue, there is nothing you can do with him, and you are the saviour, to the dog world to train 7 dogs from sheep worrying give yourself a big clap on the back, when a dog is out of sight you have No control, you are relying on his ability to take the quarry he is chasing not, the woolie backs, I had him through sheep and in a pen with sheep butter would not melt in his mouth when I was close to him but when his Blood was up and I was not insight a different Ball game, the answer is rear a pup from the time he leaves his bitch, and school him to your commands, Recall, stand, stay, fetch, hiss him out,go on then,, every time you take him out in the car or van you are teaching him to get up, and stay, then on to hand signals, yes if I had more time maybe I could have saved him, but time is not on my side any more,, going onto 66 ((( I wonder if you will have the desire to walk out with a good dog at that age in all types of weather I doubt very few will only Genuine dog men /orlassies, end of story, it was not my Idea, to conclude on this dog,,

 

 

I know what you mean....and hats off to you.

It seems to me it's often the Saluki x's that worry sheep, infact most of the sheep worriers I've come across had a good bit of Saluki in them. And you're right....it's a totally different story when you're there next to the dog as opposed to when he's out of sight, blood up and on the chase. Then it's almost impossible to control the dog.

And believe me, I'm far from 'the Saviour of the dog world'...I just had lots of time and some knowledge. But I hear what you say re: time not being on your side... you're obviously a real dogman and have the best interest of the dog at heart...he was in fantastic condition.

I might have seen you sometime at Flimby show.

what a tool,its often the saluki x that worry sheep,and how may saluki crosses have you come across,any dog will worry sheep if its not stock broken right

 

Too true....... No need for the name calling though is there? I've generally found that most crosses of dog will worry sheep but its generally the slower types like your bull cross and err saluki....... Just my opinion mind..... don't want to start getting called wee girly names over it.......