deer

[Guest bobbys back]

nightwalker,there was another fella that talked like you,he said big deer were taken by the hock flipped over and then the dog would take the beast by the throat,he also talked shit,his name was plummer,i have taken many big bucks,and none of them how you discribed, mine take them anyway they can.includind by the arse,as you put it,i have heard many romatic tales of how deer are taken,all of them in books,and all talk shit,imho

[J Darcy 5,871]

I have, in the past, bagged a few fallow and sika.....and the larger specimens of these are not easy for a single dog. I have never seen a instant kill on them. It takes some dog to stop mature bucks/stags of either and , from what i have seen, the dog is there purely and simply to anchor the deer the best it can until the human can arrive on the scene. Like i say, im not an expert and maybe have not owned/seen the best dogs, but these are my observations based on a number of large deer. :whistle: good hunting.JD

[whin 463]

saw a three qaurter greyhound one qaurter deerhound pull roe for fun ,but lacked the turning abilityof a smaler dog he came in at 29 inches a nice big dog alll the same ,he was bred by andy baron his downfall was turning and the guy who had him never ran him to his potentiol a sfor lettting dogs or dogs killing them like a bullet thye must be half crocodile my idea for me dog pulls qaurry and you try and get there quick as and do the nessasary and on to the next one etc

[Phil Lloyd 10,738]

Edited November 20, 2006 by CHALKWARREN

[inan 841]

:11: Just to set the record straight,...

The late writer, D.B.Plummer was not a killer of deer,..although he once turned up outside my mate's house in Inverness with a wee red deer doe in the back of his motor,..he told my pal that his lurcher had caught it,..however,..the guy in question was an extremely handy sort of hunting man,..and knew the unmistakable signs of the Dunlop tyre strain of lurcher... ANYWAY,..for my sins,..I did once tell the noted author that I encouraged my dogs to trip a Roe deer by the hock and once down to grip the throat,.tight up, under the chin,...Obviously this don't sound very exciting,.so,.the imagination possibly went overboard,.and all sorts of weird and wonderful 'theories' emanated from our short interview... :11:

Whatever,.. :11: The fact of the matter is,..the best dogs will know the best way to stop and hold the various types of deer,..they do so instinctively,..I don't believe they can be trained,..its either in them or not.

I have taken several large Fallow and Sika after the Rut,..The dog never killed them,.I did...

For me,.those days are over...I only hunt the cony....

Nice to hear the views of other though,...all the best to you all,..and do go careful....

Kind regards,.CHALKWARREN...

 

Hampshire Fallow...

 

Nice to read a post on the subject with no bullshit in it,from a genuine dog man.

[whin 463]

for me killing al those big beasties sounds good localy we have only roe, in pre ban day ive always believed when out at night kill quickly, empty out the engine carry to the nearest roadside etc you can catch a few a night i

if needed , all youse guys must be goliaths carrying red fallow bucks etc , i find a good buck roe heavy enough ,nothing wrong with the humble coney had many agood night and day ferreting etc localy htere more deer hares than rabbits now you need to travel for good rabbit land now ,im happy localy if i catch half a dozen 15 years ago you would do that easy all the best

[Guest Nightwalker]

I have, in the past, bagged a few fallow and sika.....and the larger specimens of these are not easy for a single dog. I have never seen a instant kill on them. It takes some dog to stop mature bucks/stags of either and , from what i have seen, the dog is there purely and simply to anchor the deer the best it can until the human can arrive on the scene. Like i say, im not an expert and maybe have not owned/seen the best dogs, but these are my observations based on a number of large deer. :whistle: good hunting.JD

 

 

You need a big strong dog with plenty of weight, I had a 30 1/2" dog that weighed around the 95lb mark that specialised in this. You need the deer going flat out and it happens very quickly - the dog comes in from the side, strikes up at the top of the neck while also seeming to barge into the deer, deer goes over, and doesn't move again. Pre-ban, my current bitch (29" & 85lbs) took to using a very similar technique on roe and got it off to a tee - same technique she would keep turning them until they got into a straight line, would run level with their flank, wait her moment then strike forwards and up at the neck while barging the deer from the side. Result one roe down in a pile. When you skin them out these roe always have a broken neck, with no damage elsewhere - an instant, silent kill. Both dogs these were notably reluctant to tackle anywhere other than the front end except in an occassional low-speed scrum on the edge of cover.

 

Sometimes now when my bitch is playing with other dogs, I see her come up on them, use sheer brute force to turn them away from cover and get them going nice and staight line but always just managing to remember to hold off on the strike. The other dog owners just think shes a bit of a buly, fortunately most of them dont really recognise what they are seeing

[whin 463]

a dog of thta size sounds good but how was it for allround hunting etc was it a bit limited on other qaurry etc

[Guest Frank]

Wild wolfs dont even clean cleanly, also, loins, tigers, bears, o my :11:

 

On a more seriouse note, a ferinds brother, got killed 11 years ago, by a red stag, which he came up to when the lurcher had a hold of it. It swung round with its massive head and antlers and smashed the poor lads skull, killing him instantly

 

Folks, its, DANGEROUSE game , ecpecially at night, to you and your dog. Not worth it.

 

Frank.

[Guest bobbys back]

:11: Just to set the record straight,...

The late writer, D.B.Plummer was not a killer of deer,..although he once turned up outside my mate's house in Inverness with a wee red deer doe in the back of his motor,..he told my pal that his lurcher had caught it,..however,..the guy in question was an extremely handy sort of hunting man,..and knew the unmistakable signs of the Dunlop tyre strain of lurcher... ANYWAY,..for my sins,..I did once tell the noted author that I encouraged my dogs to trip a Roe deer by the hock and once down to grip the throat,.tight up, under the chin,...Obviously this don't sound very exciting,.so,.the imagination possibly went overboard,.and all sorts of weird and wonderful 'theories' emanated from our short interview... :11:

Whatever,.. :11: The fact of the matter is,..the best dogs will know the best way to stop and hold the various types of deer,..they do so instinctively,..I don't believe they can be trained,..its either in them or not.

I have taken several large Fallow and Sika after the Rut,..The dog never killed them,.I did...

For me,.those days are over...I only hunt the cony....

Nice to hear the views of other though,...all the best to you all,..and do go careful....

Kind regards,.CHALKWARREN...

 

Hampshire Fallow...

 

Nice to read a post on the subject with no bullshit in it,from a genuine dog man.

 

 

so who is bullshitting inan ????

[J Darcy 5,871]

I have, in the past, bagged a few fallow and sika.....and the larger specimens of these are not easy for a single dog. I have never seen a instant kill on them. It takes some dog to stop mature bucks/stags of either and , from what i have seen, the dog is there purely and simply to anchor the deer the best it can until the human can arrive on the scene. Like i say, im not an expert and maybe have not owned/seen the best dogs, but these are my observations based on a number of large deer. :whistle: good hunting.JD

 

 

You need a big strong dog with plenty of weight, I had a 30 1/2" dog that weighed around the 95lb mark that specialised in this. You need the deer going flat out and it happens very quickly - the dog comes in from the side, strikes up at the top of the neck while also seeming to barge into the deer, deer goes over, and doesn't move again. Pre-ban, my current bitch (29" & 85lbs) took to using a very similar technique on roe and got it off to a tee - same technique she would keep turning them until they got into a straight line, would run level with their flank, wait her moment then strike forwards and up at the neck while barging the deer from the side. Result one roe down in a pile. When you skin them out these roe always have a broken neck, with no damage elsewhere - an instant, silent kill. Both dogs these were notably reluctant to tackle anywhere other than the front end except in an occassional low-speed scrum on the edge of cover.

 

Sometimes now when my bitch is playing with other dogs, I see her come up on them, use sheer brute force to turn them away from cover and get them going nice and staight line but always just managing to remember to hold off on the strike. The other dog owners just think shes a bit of a buly, fortunately most of them dont really recognise what they are seeing

 

In my post i was not refering to roe, but the larger species of deer in their mature forms. I sometimes wonder if many have seen the size and thickness of a mature rutting buck/stags neck....i have seen them and they are huge. Even when not pumped up from the rut they can run and run and their size and momentum makes them hard to stop. JMHO.

[Phil Lloyd 10,738]

Them Southern Reds are real big feckers...

Edited November 22, 2006 by CHALKWARREN

[Guest Nightwalker]

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In my post i was not refering to roe, but the larger species of deer in their mature forms. I sometimes wonder if many have seen the size and thickness of a mature rutting buck/stags neck....i have seen them and they are huge. Even when not pumped up from the rut they can run and run and their size and momentum makes them hard to stop. JMHO.

 

 

Yes that's right, and that's why it's rare to get such a clean kill, you need a very big strong dog with that inbred knack, which in my limited experience comes only with a lot of deerhound blood. Dogs like your late Scooby at 27" and 70lbs just wouldn't be big enough or strong enough. I would guess that most of what you have seen run are medium sized dogs not large dogs. Like I have said many times on here, when running deer I have never once thought that I had a dog that was too big or too strong but have often found myself with dogs that were too small. Deerhounds were bred the size they are and as strong as they are for very good reasons and 30 years of deer work led me back to dogs of that size and power. The knack which a few dogs have or perhaps which only a few dogs get to develop is of applying their weight and great strength in such a way that they turn the deer's own weight and momentum against himself and destroy him.

 

You may not have seen this and it is easy for you to scoff, but wait long enough and you may just be lucky enough to see what I have described, or perhaps even own a dog that can do this.

[barney 0]

don't know about anyone else but I'm enjoying reading this thread and the well thought out opinions of people with a real depth of experience.Thanks guys

[Guest baldie]

Deerhounds, are called deerhounds for a reason.I,ve never taken a deer with a dog, but it stands to reason that a pipsqueak isnt going to knock over a large deer, as the old saying goes..."use enough gun". also, this is a very interesting chat, please, lets keep it civil, and accord some respect to the gents with great experience please.