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[Simoman 110]

Great thread fellas, really enjoying it Just a question from somebody whos only seen deer taken on dvd Will some dogs take the smaller CWD, munties and roe and pull up when taking fallow, sika or red? Historically speaking?

 

i have'nt seen any pull up but i've seen a few good "roe" dogs really struggle to get a good hold on a fallow, let alone stop it, or bring it down even

 

Thanks Lucky,

 

I've just read Jackie Drakefords new book and she describes fallow as "not particually fast" and roe "not particually fast in the open" and a story about a pair of border terriers that "wrought havooc on ther local roe population". Who needs lurchers :whistle: :11:

well i think that quote speaks volumes for the author who stated it...... fallow are FAST....roe are FAST.....Personally i would rate fallow faster than roe maybe..but it all depends on the individual. The main problem with fallow is that they sometimes just stand there like fools staring at the dog fast hurtling towards it....then when they decide to move its just too late to get into top gear......however, should a large and healthy fallow get up and run on a nice stubble field then you will witness a course par excellance...and if your beloved hound can take one of those single handed, then, IMHO, you got yourself a fair dog. Of course many dogs will hang on if the deer has trouble negotiating a fence, but to pull then in the open is some thing to see. I have seen dogs kicked by fallow DOES and the dog was winded and totally ruined for the evening... t

he people who underestimate deer are those that have not run many.......

 

and i have never, ever ran anything for money...but for the sheer love of being out with the dogs, seeing the action, feeling the blood flowing through my legs making them feel like they were made of lead, the good times and the bad times...times when we have thought i had lost my beloved dog somewhere "out there" miles into the countryside far from home and to feel the rush of elation when i, at last, see those twin amber eyes glinting back at me. The times when the quarry has made the dog look a fool and escape an almost certain capture. The times when the dog catches on what can only be described as a "daft" slip...... to be out, in the cold night, wind hitting my face and just having that feeeling that tonight was going to be one of "those nights".... good hunting fellas.....

 

Cheers Jonno,

Thanks for the reply. Ians right with writing like that you should do a book :11:

[J Darcy 5,871]

Great thread fellas, really enjoying it Just a question from somebody whos only seen deer taken on dvd Will some dogs take the smaller CWD, munties and roe and pull up when taking fallow, sika or red? Historically speaking?

 

i have'nt seen any pull up but i've seen a few good "roe" dogs really struggle to get a good hold on a fallow, let alone stop it, or bring it down even

 

Thanks Lucky,

 

I've just read Jackie Drakefords new book and she describes fallow as "not particually fast" and roe "not particually fast in the open" and a story about a pair of border terriers that "wrought havooc on ther local roe population". Who needs lurchers :whistle: :11:

well i think that quote speaks volumes for the author who stated it...... fallow are FAST....roe are FAST.....Personally i would rate fallow faster than roe maybe..but it all depends on the individual. The main problem with fallow is that they sometimes just stand there like fools staring at the dog fast hurtling towards it....then when they decide to move its just too late to get into top gear......however, should a large and healthy fallow get up and run on a nice stubble field then you will witness a course par excellance...and if your beloved hound can take one of those single handed, then, IMHO, you got yourself a fair dog. Of course many dogs will hang on if the deer has trouble negotiating a fence, but to pull then in the open is some thing to see. I have seen dogs kicked by fallow DOES and the dog was winded and totally ruined for the evening... t

he people who underestimate deer are those that have not run many.......

 

and i have never, ever ran anything for money...but for the sheer love of being out with the dogs, seeing the action, feeling the blood flowing through my legs making them feel like they were made of lead, the good times and the bad times...times when we have thought i had lost my beloved dog somewhere "out there" miles into the countryside far from home and to feel the rush of elation when i, at last, see those twin amber eyes glinting back at me. The times when the quarry has made the dog look a fool and escape an almost certain capture. The times when the dog catches on what can only be described as a "daft" slip...... to be out, in the cold night, wind hitting my face and just having that feeeling that tonight was going to be one of "those nights".... good hunting fellas.....

 

Cheers Jonno,

Thanks for the reply. Ians right with writing like that you should do a book :11:

[Phil Lloyd 10,738]

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Edited November 22, 2006 by CHALKWARREN

[Rabbithunter 456]

 

 

has anybody witnessed fallow, or even red turn on the dog and have a bit go? I wouldn't like to see them set of antlers turn aroun on a dog, could do some serious damage, i imagine roe could be bad enough

[lucky 578]

imo for sheer running ability the roe comes first, fallow are equally as fast but lack on the turn, but which would be the hardest to catch, fallow or roe ? i'd say fallow because most dogs can grab a roe anywhere and bring it to the ground, but that is'nt the case with the bigger deer

[Guest bobbys back]

 

 

has anybody witnessed fallow, or even red turn on the dog and have a bit go? I wouldn't like to see them set of antlers turn aroun on a dog, could do some serious damage, i imagine roe could be bad enough

 

have seen it many times,with the fallow,this is where most dogs fail,imho,and where dogs are killed,

[whin 463]

for me roe is agood test when i stayed in suffolk i caught a few fallow for meat thye were not as fast or tricky as agood roe who knows what a dog is, i caught sika they were not realy fast maybe they were not used to the ways of a lamp or dog but localy you need a fast agile dog with enough power to catch ,ive caught sika and fallow in open woodland with dogs but not many roe as they are more agile and sneeky , my idea for catching game catch it quick hide it , and move on ,haveing a monumental battle dead dogs etc no good for profit the time it takes me to get a dog going etc breeding him , some nights its not plane sailing i can ditch aroe but not a fallow as easy ,ive saw buck roe turn on a dog ,needless to say he was as good as dead , to me roe is the perfect size killing weight and a good all rounder can take them ,all the best im away tonight for a look

[Guest baldie]

i dont have a problem with you baldie,but we have spoken before you gave it the bolloxs before then left your mate woodie to sort it,remember hes dog is the best thing since sliced bread,he hunts with all the hunts,didnt want to walk it like YOU talked it though did he,so you are one of the talkers, you are telling us that know the score,as we hunt,to show respect to some one that is talking bolloxs,its like you are protecting the plummer type shit talkers,thats why these boards are going down hill,people cant stand the bullshit,and you are encouraging it,why dont you moderate the bullshit,then we as hunters that have been there and seen it can have a sensible talk,and if you want facts,then do abit yourself,you have a deerhound,try it,then you could talk from experience,

 

Firstly, i dont leave my mates to sort anything out.Secondly, i have no idea, what you are talking about, regarding woodie? If youve issued some sort of private challenge to him, its news to me?Thirdly, i dont protect the plummer bullshitters, i dont like their bilge most of the time either.

However, for a forum to function, you have to allow everyone to have their say, this is called democracy.Post are moderated when they become nasty, obscene, defamatory, or downright libellous, NEVER, because i dont like what someone is saying.You want the bullshitters removed? you would be gone then, in my opinion, because looking back through all your posts, theres plenty of "great pics mate" etc, but not a lot of help or advice to someone like me, who has never taken a deer with a dog.I,m the first to admit i dont do a lot these days, but dont you f*****g dare make out your a hunter and i,m not.I was brought up with lurchers, and never not had one in the family home.They fed us during the strike, and i,ve also hunted hounds for six years as a whip at the pennine, but seeing as you obvously know me, you know all this already dont you?

My deerhound cross will not be plastered all over here, showing his exploits because it isnt legal anymore, and i,m not digging myself a hole, just to prove to a twat like you, what big balls i have.I have a wife and kid, and a job as a gunsmith that relies on a clean character and gun licenses.

If you wish to argue further, do it via pm, we,ve both added enough shit to this otherwise , excellent thread already.

[TOMO 26,388]

Great thread fellas, really enjoying it Just a question from somebody whos only seen deer taken on dvd Will some dogs take the smaller CWD, munties and roe and pull up when taking fallow, sika or red? Historically speaking?

 

i have'nt seen any pull up but i've seen a few good "roe" dogs really struggle to get a good hold on a fallow, let alone stop it, or bring it down even

 

Thanks Lucky,

 

I've just read Jackie Drakefords new book and she describes fallow as "not particually fast" and roe "not particually fast in the open" and a story about a pair of border terriers that "wrought havooc on ther local roe population". Who needs lurchers :whistle: :11:

 

HOW MANY BOOKS HAVE GOT SIMMOMAN

[MickC 1,825]

In sure Ive read in different books etc that the original Deerhound ran the Reds for centurys.However when gunpowder arrived at these shores the Deerhound was used in a lesser role to catch beast that had been wounded.As a result of the gunpowder more and more people began to use guns instead of dogs.The original Deerhound then nearly died out as it fell out of popularity.Then some toff a Lady Arkingass I think ressurected the breed by crossing what was left of the original Deerhound with large Greyhounds that she had purchased soley for this purpose.If this is true I would like to know were this so called heavy bite has come from.Imo a Bullx will bite a lot harder than a Deerhound.I will stand by my earlier post I have never seen a dog on its own get a Red Stag down and keep it there,let alone kill it in a matter of moments.

[Guest bobbys back]

i dont have a problem with you baldie,but we have spoken before you gave it the bolloxs before then left your mate woodie to sort it,remember hes dog is the best thing since sliced bread,he hunts with all the hunts,didnt want to walk it like YOU talked it though did he,so you are one of the talkers, you are telling us that know the score,as we hunt,to show respect to some one that is talking bolloxs,its like you are protecting the plummer type shit talkers,thats why these boards are going down hill,people cant stand the bullshit,and you are encouraging it,why dont you moderate the bullshit,then we as hunters that have been there and seen it can have a sensible talk,and if you want facts,then do abit yourself,you have a deerhound,try it,then you could talk from experience,

 

Firstly, i dont leave my mates to sort anything out.Secondly, i have no idea, what you are talking about, regarding woodie? If youve issued some sort of private challenge to him, its news to me?Thirdly, i dont protect the plummer bullshitters, i dont like their bilge most of the time either.

However, for a forum to function, you have to allow everyone to have their say, this is called democracy.Post are moderated when they become nasty, obscene, defamatory, or downright libellous, NEVER, because i dont like what someone is saying.You want the bullshitters removed? you would be gone then, in my opinion, because looking back through all your posts, theres plenty of "great pics mate" etc, but not a lot of help or advice to someone like me, who has never taken a deer with a dog.I,m the first to admit i dont do a lot these days, but dont you f*****g dare make out your a hunter and i,m not.I was brought up with lurchers, and never not had one in the family home.They fed us during the strike, and i,ve also hunted hounds for six years as a whip at the pennine, but seeing as you obvously know me, you know all this already dont you?

My deerhound cross will not be plastered all over here, showing his exploits because it isnt legal anymore, and i,m not digging myself a hole, just to prove to a twat like you, what big balls i have.I have a wife and kid, and a job as a gunsmith that relies on a clean character and gun licenses.

If you wish to argue further, do it via pm, we,ve both added enough shit to this otherwise , excellent thread already.

 

was it not you that said woodie has seen and done things that would make a billy goat puke,and if i knew how his dog was bred i wouldnt be talking, i would be shiting myself :11: :11: :11: its out of a wheaton and arthur,still not botherd,so stop your self baldie,because i know what i am talking about,and again just because you hunt with hounds,that means what,if you want to get it on in a pm then go for it,dont think you can have the last say on the forum, :11: its a small world,

[Guest baldie]

Dont you just hate it, when you,ve been suckered. :11: Yep, hook line and sinker...done up like a kipper i,ll get me coat then

[Guest bobbys back]

i have waited a long time for this baldie,but i got you good :11: :11: :11: all the best mate

[Phil Lloyd 10,738]

i have waited a long time for this baldie,but i got you good :11: :11: :11: all the best mate

 

:11: :11: Brill...

[Guest baldie]

I bite too easy these days, if i was a troot, i,d have had whole almonds shoved up me arse a long time since, and gas mark four for thirty minutes. Back to the subject in hand, i learn recently that we have a small pocket of roe, not far from me, in barnsley, lord knows where they have come from, but its nice to see they are spreading, may get the hairy rifle on one yet. :whistle: