deer

[Guest bobbys back]

Deerhounds, are called deerhounds for a reason.I,ve never taken a deer with a dog, but it stands to reason that a pipsqueak isnt going to knock over a large deer, as the old saying goes..."use enough gun". also, this is a very interesting chat, please, lets keep it civil, and accord some respect to the gents with great experience please.

 

 

deerhounds are called deerhounds for a reason, :11: well thats it then,there the best at that then,what about wolfhounds,are they the best at wolfs,is the fox terrier the best at fox,leave it out baldie,i have heard some shit before,but ffs,have a day of will you, :11: :11: :11: how can we keep it civil if you come out with shit like that,imho,the deerhound is an over rated deer dog,

 

You, for some reason bobby, have a problem with me, i dont know why, to the best of my knowledge we,ve never argued , or i,ve had to moderate your posts?I put the request in for a bit of civility,without mentioning anyones name, but it was aimed at you pal, you are rude and ignorant , and its people like you who are killing these boards, this was a nice pleasant discussion before you stuck your oar in, why dont you do us all a favour , and keep your comments to yourself, unless you,ve something constructive to say, or can back up your arguments with some facts.

 

i dont have a problem with you baldie,but we have spoken before you gave it the bolloxs before then left your mate woodie to sort it,remember hes dog is the best thing since sliced bread,he hunts with all the hunts,didnt want to walk it like YOU talked it though did he,so you are one of the talkers, you are telling us that know the score,as we hunt,to show respect to some one that is talking bolloxs,its like you are protecting the plummer type shit talkers,thats why these boards are going down hill,people cant stand the bullshit,and you are encouraging it,why dont you moderate the bullshit,then we as hunters that have been there and seen it can have a sensible talk,and if you want facts,then do abit yourself,you have a deerhound,try it,then you could talk from experience,

[Phil Lloyd 10,738]

:11: Jackie D is a nice auld gal.... But you know what these lurcher writers are :11:

Edited November 22, 2006 by CHALKWARREN

[Guest bobbys back]

Great thread fellas, really enjoying it Just a question from somebody whos only seen deer taken on dvd Will some dogs take the smaller CWD, munties and roe and pull up when taking fallow, sika or red? Historically speaking?

 

i have'nt seen any pull up but i've seen a few good "roe" dogs really struggle to get a good hold on a fallow, let alone stop it, or bring it down even

 

Thanks Lucky,

 

I've just read Jackie Drakefords new book and she describes fallow as "not particually fast" and roe "not particually fast in the open" and a story about a pair of border terriers that "wrought havooc on ther local roe population". Who needs lurchers :whistle: :11:

 

hello simoman,i have seen many lurchers that take roe,turn it in on the bigger deer like fallow,and as for the terriers,killing roe.maybe,they will catch a young roe that will just lay there and not move till the last minute,but not a chance of a adult roe,and all the writers except you know who???will tell you deer cant run,

[Guest stella]

nightwalker there is no dog that could us e its weight or momentum to do as you describe ,you make it sound like you use hulk hogan than a lurcher.

[Simoman 110]

So due to their size fallow, sika etc are harder to bring down but which is the hardest species for the dog to actually catch?

[IanB 0]

Other points were made by Ian, head up there arse was the reference i believe.....well dude, go session after session ( and i am trying to be politically correct here) week in week out and see how many deer live to run another day.

 

Yes head up their arse....yes some will get away obviously........my point being, daylight, daylight your comparing night to day....theres really no comparision and to be honest I'm not really interested...

[Guest Frank]

CHALKWARREN, i like that picture of the fallow buck.

 

Thanks, you talk sense, i have also experienced this.

 

Frank.

[J Darcy 5,871]

Great thread fellas, really enjoying it Just a question from somebody whos only seen deer taken on dvd Will some dogs take the smaller CWD, munties and roe and pull up when taking fallow, sika or red? Historically speaking?

 

i have'nt seen any pull up but i've seen a few good "roe" dogs really struggle to get a good hold on a fallow, let alone stop it, or bring it down even

 

Thanks Lucky,

 

I've just read Jackie Drakefords new book and she describes fallow as "not particually fast" and roe "not particually fast in the open" and a story about a pair of border terriers that "wrought havooc on ther local roe population". Who needs lurchers :whistle: :11:

well i think that quote speaks volumes for the author who stated it...... fallow are FAST....roe are FAST.....Personally i would rate fallow faster than roe maybe..but it all depends on the individual. The main problem with fallow is that they sometimes just stand there like fools staring at the dog fast hurtling towards it....then when they decide to move its just too late to get into top gear......however, should a large and healthy fallow get up and run on a nice stubble field then you will witness a course par excellance...and if your beloved hound can take one of those single handed, then, IMHO, you got yourself a fair dog. Of course many dogs will hang on if the deer has trouble negotiating a fence, but to pull then in the open is some thing to see. I have seen dogs kicked by fallow DOES and the dog was winded and totally ruined for the evening... t

he people who underestimate deer are those that have not run many.......

 

and i have never, ever ran anything for money...but for the sheer love of being out with the dogs, seeing the action, feeling the blood flowing through my legs making them feel like they were made of lead, the good times and the bad times...times when we have thought i had lost my beloved dog somewhere "out there" miles into the countryside far from home and to feel the rush of elation when i, at last, see those twin amber eyes glinting back at me. The times when the quarry has made the dog look a fool and escape an almost certain capture. The times when the dog catches on what can only be described as a "daft" slip...... to be out, in the cold night, wind hitting my face and just having that feeeling that tonight was going to be one of "those nights".... good hunting fellas.....

[IanB 0]

Darcy your just an old romantic you soft yorkshire pudding... :11:

[Rabbithunter 456]

So due to their size fallow, sika etc are harder to bring down but which is the hardest species for the dog to actually catch?

 

 

out of the six species of deer in the Uk, i would have a stab in the dark at saying that red would be the hardest to catch and kill. Due to their sheer size, it would be like pulling a cow down.

 

I heard that fallow are quite dopey animals, and sika have an amazing turn of speed. but i have yet to see, in the wild, any other species of deer than a roe. I have seen both fallow and red, in a wildlife park

[Guest bobbys back]

and i have never, ever ran anything for money...but for the sheer love of being out with the dogs, seeing the action, feeling the blood flowing through my legs making them feel like they were made of lead, the good times and the bad times...times when we have thought i had lost my beloved dog somewhere "out there" miles into the countryside far from home and to feel the rush of elation when i, at last, see those twin amber eyes glinting back at me. The times when the quarry has made the dog look a fool and escape an almost certain capture. The times when the dog catches on what can only be described as a "daft" slip...... to be out, in the cold night, wind hitting my face and just having that feeeling that tonight was going to be one of "those nights".... good hunting fellas.....

 

i agree with you jd,i find fallow faster then roe,and with me its all for the sport,not money,the bigger the buck the better for me,pre ban of course,

[chartpolski 24,092]

"Roe can't run fast"; "Border Terriers catching Roe"; I , (or more probably the person who wrote that nonsense !!), must be living in a parrallel universe !! The adult Roe in open countryside up here, Northumberland, can certainly run, and the bit about Borders is just insulting the intelligence of anyone who has run Roes with Lurchers. How many of these book writers have actually done a bit ?

Cheers.

[beagles 0]

:11: Jackie D is a nice auld gal.... But you know what these writers are :11:

 

I would have to go along with Mapreader's comments on this subject..

For several years, I killed deer,..in quantity...

The idea of trying to find the biggest,.most powerful 'test' for my lurchers to tackle,..NEVER entered my head Obviously, the Fallow and Sika ,..and sometimes the large Reds of the Forest ended up in the van,.but I much preferred to concentrate on Roe deer.. It is plainly obvious that a determined 'gripper' will hang into a deer and stay with it until someone turns up to sort matters out. Indeed,.a group of similar critters will be all over a large beast,..in the manner of a pack of African Hunting Dogs

Even the most inexperienced nighthunter can visualize such a scene...

However,.where does such a challenge end? Do we seek out bigger,.taller,.heavier quarry to run our jukels on,.simply to say that we have achieved such a feat? I would never condemn a hunter for what he chooses to hunt. Its HIS fecking business,.not mine. All I would say is,..I have NEVER seen a lurcher of ANY cross kill a mature Fallow or Sika Stag... I have no doubts that certain dogs COULD munch away and eventually end the life of one. But, c'mon now,..is this what we hunt for....

For me it was ALWAYS the money,..and it is in the interests of a profit hunter to take the easy option every time. Why go looking for trouble,.it will pretty soon find you... :11:

Yes,.an interesting thread,...but one that has been talked about throughout the land since I was a very young buck,..and that,.unfortunately,.was a long time ago....

 

All the best to ALL crosses,...CHALKWARREN...

 

 

 

 

nice pic

[Guest bobbys back]

"Roe can't run fast"; "Border Terriers catching Roe"; I , (or more probably the person who wrote that nonsense !!), must be living in a parrallel universe !! The adult Roe in open countryside up here, Northumberland, can certainly run, and the bit about Borders is just insulting the intelligence of anyone who has run Roes with Lurchers. How many of these book writers have actually done a bit ?

Cheers.

 

 

:11: :11: :11: i can think of couple of writers that do a bit,the rest are plummer type bullshiters,but it is are fault,we buy there shit,so they keep turning it out,most dont have the bolloxs to get out and poach let alone kill a protected animal like deer on a country estate on the lamp,its all talk,and bullshit,

[Guest mucker]

one of the best threads ive read in a long time,.... some cracking reading