cat hunt

[PeakOil 352]

Nice cat SGS what caliber rifle do you use for those?

Looks like a .177 (pointed) to me.

[SHOTGUNSNIPER 47]

The scariest hunting situation I have been in is when I accidently came between a large sow Black Bear and her cubs - She charged me from 25 yards and closed the distance quickly - I guess thats why it is called a charge - I was packing a .45 Colt in a small of the back Concealed Carry Holster - I had just enough time to get the pistol out and the bear was close enough for me to smell her breath - she stopped and and popped her teeth making sounds I never knew bears could make and slapped the ground with both front paw's. All before I could fire a shot from less than 10 feet - I missed and the bullet fragmented on the rocky terrian sending a spray of rocks and bullet frags into her face she turned and backed off as her cubs had moved to the rear of her... Point being I am more than a fair shot with a pistol and I missed - From less than 10 feet ..... I have no problem admitting this - I understand how intimidating large dangerous game can be. Shoooting a treed or bayed cat is not as intimidating as a charging bear but I would have to say going into a dark cave after a 200 pound pissed of Panther probably ranks right up there ... It's also difficult to hold your own flashlight/lamp and shoot.... When the adrelaline get's pumping fine motor skills are affected adversly.... For hours after....

I am sure the hunters in the video were doing thier best - the reasoning behind using a pistol is they are easier to carry over rough terrain.. In the closing sequence when the Lion is bayed at the cliff's edge the shooter hit the cat at least twice - probably fatal chest shots , even though the cat did not drop instantly it shouldn't be called poor shooting - I have literally blown the heart out of animals that ran 50 or sixty yards after the shot... This was real life not a an X-Box game.... Yes a head shot would kill the cat instantly but it appears the hunter chose to shoot center of mass which is a larger kill zone and probably a wise choice after running maybe miles to catch up to the pack and because of the previous encounter in the cave his adrenaline was probably pumping....

Hunters need to stick together I believe that's one of the reasons for sites like this - I believe this video does not place hunting in a bad light.... Again I no longer hunt lions in this fashion but I will defend a man's right to and congratulate him for a successful hunt....To me a successful hunt is when no one is hurt including dogs and nothing is broken....law included.....

 

 

"THESE ARE THE GOOD OLD DAY'S" SGS

[clint 45]

Hello SGS, yes i have respect for all life it is very precious. I hunt for table to eat & balance nature , pest vermin etc. If no reason to kill animal ,i leave to enjoy, for later date. If big cat is many in population & destruct farm animal, crop etc, or simply need balance out. Is good.

maybe too many people, is problem in most place !

Edited May 28, 2010 by clint

[SHOTGUNSNIPER 47]

Hello SGS, yes i have respect for all life it is very precious. I hunt for table to eat & balance nature , pest vermin etc. If no reason to kill animal ,i leave to enjoy, for later date. If big cat is many in population & destruct farm animal, crop etc, or simply need balance out. Is good.

maybe too many people, is problem in most place !

 

Urban Encroachment is the worst problem worldwide when it comes to wildlife.

If I had my way we should re-introduce all of the dangerous predators back on their home turf and let them graze fully protected by endangered species laws on all the friggin worthless immigrants , animal rights wackos and anti gun poof's... Untill there is a sustainable population so I can hunt them..

It would be way cool to hear daily new's reports of how many illegal mexican's are eaten by reintroduced California Grizzly Bears....

 

[Aaron Proffitt 142]

I'd take a mt. lion every day of the month if I could....tastes almost exactly like pork.

[SHOTGUNSNIPER 47]

It's funny - say that YOU wouldn't want to kill something and your an 'animal rights wacko'.

 

Get in line with the other wackos that "feel" some form of hunting they know nothing about is not up to their holier than thow standards!

Think about how you "feel" for two or three days then PM Clint about it !

[SHOTGUNSNIPER 47]

I'd take a mt. lion every day of the month if I could....tastes almost exactly like pork.

 

Muslims don't eat Pussy or Pork ..... :piggy: :crazy:

 

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[Ideation 8,216]

Ahhhhhh feeling is bad. I get it now.

[Ideation 8,216]

I guess that we are just a bit different over here in that if the situation is such that we KNOW that we cannot take a clean shot we will leave the animal, rather than hope to blast a few holes in it and slow it down enough to dispatch. But each to their own i guess.

 

Also - what relevance do muslims have to this thread?

 

[SHOTGUNSNIPER 47]

im sure those fellas get laughed at by serious big game hunters,

 

sgs are there any rules/laws regarding hunting mt lions etc with dogs as in the dogs do the finding and killing?

also are there any areas where there is a lot of game but less tree's?so that the dogs can do their work with less chance of treeing the animal.

if i lived over there thats how i'd prefer to hunt

 

Each state has their own game laws there are some federal wildlife and game laws but those generally apply to migratory species such as ducks and geese....

Arizona has a general lion season that runs state wide in the winter months some hunt units have a multiple bag limit meaning that a hunter may take more than one lion per calender year... A far as the the method of take it must be centerfire rifle, pistol, shotgun shooting a slug or archery... No spears no knives... Other states may allow other methods of harvest....

Similar rules apply to bear.... There has been pursuit only seasons in the past - meaning that once a lion or bear is treed then you must gather up the hounds and let it be - only one bay/tree per animal per day so that the animals are not run into the ground..... I am not sure if they currently have pursuit only seasons...I don't know all of the rules and law's pertaining to hunting lions with hound's the law's change frequently and it has been about fifteen years since I was part of a hound hunting concern... These days I hunt lion's by calling them....

Houndsman are usually guides/outfitters this allows them to have clients and charge for outfitting and guiding a hunt one of the rules concerning lion hunting is that the client must be in the field with the guide/hunting party when the hounds are put out on a lion track....

Lion harvests must be checked in to the Ariz Fish & Game within ten day's of taking, If the lion is skinned and quartered in the field then the genitalia must be left attached to the hide fox sex ID. The head must be presented for a tooth sample for age studies and a flesh sample is also taken for other scientific reasons..... Lion hunting with hounds is an art I suggest that you google Full Cry it has lots of resources on lion hunting.....Hunting is very differant here in that when we go out for a deer or elk hunt it is typically 100's of miles from home and very remote and a camp must be set if a group is going to stay for several days, there are no cottages or lodges to stay in - no pub down the lane to have a brew at after the hunt . We bring that all with us or go with out..... Lion hunting is even more spartan and typical lots of ground is covered looking for a track and then following the pack. On one hunt we set the hounds out at 3am it was an old track to start out with and the cat jumped the tree twice and at the end of the day we were 18 miles form our vehicles on foot! Very differant than UK hunting... This was before cell phone days so we walked to the nearest road with the hound's and one of us hitched a ride to bring the truck back... It was 3am when we finally were loaded up and headed home ... 24 hours straight of running and gunning.....

There are a few dogs that may be strong enough to take a big tom but they are few and far between and I know from my experience with lion dogs is that "hard" dogs end up on the injured list and that can be fatal in remote country......They usually dont last long....I would much rather have a baying dog with a great nose, long legs a loud voice and brains enough to back off from an attacking lion or bear...I know there are some hunters who take pride in a hard dog and that's all fine and good when it comes to fox ,badger or boars - Lions and bears kill hard dogs with monotonous regularity ..... You are more than welcome to bring your dog's on over and let them latch onto a 400 pound bear or a big Tom ..... Good Luck.

[SHOTGUNSNIPER 47]

I guess that we are just a bit different over here in that if the situation is such that we KNOW that we cannot take a clean shot we will leave the animal, rather than hope to blast a few holes in it and slow it down enough to dispatch. But each to their own i guess.

 

Also - what relevance do muslims have to this thread?

 

Yes you said that before .... I am sure that you are the best shot in the UK .... Lets see some pics! Tell us a story about your latest great shot! Do you have any hunting video's to post... ? Written a book on hunting lately? Tell us about your falcons or hawks ....

[scothunter 12,609]

I guess that we are just a bit different over here in that if the situation is such that we KNOW that we cannot take a clean shot we will leave the animal, rather than hope to blast a few holes in it and slow it down enough to dispatch. But each to their own i guess.

 

Also - what relevance do muslims have to this thread?

 

Yes you said that before .... I am sure that you are the best shot in the UK .... Lets see some pics! Tell us a story about your latest great shot! Do you have any hunting video's to post... ? Written a book on hunting lately? Tell us about your falcons or hawks ....

 

look you have your5 hunting over the pond and we have ours.we like the more traditional methods im seriously not knocking your hunting over there.but do you feel the need to try and belittle every negative comment you get?just cause someone disagrees with you no need to call them antis or animal lovers.(incidentally nothing wrong with having respect for your quarry)you also call lads on here whackos.i seriously think that it is you that is disturbed.all your posts are of guns and stupid comments like real men have guns with their breakfast.and the other one was a f*****g chain gun you picked up at a garage sale.(which i dont believe you did btw)maybe im wrong but at what point would you need a chain gun for hunting?if anyone is a whacko its you.arron proffit comes on here and shares stories and pics of his dogs and its good to hear from other lads in america unlike you he does not feel the need to post stories and dumb pics of idiots armed to the teeth to try and impress us.in the words of a great monarch.

"we are not amused"

[danw 1,748]

Scothunter do you not think that it is better to have a diverse group of people on a forum if we all felt and thought the same the forum would soon shut cause there wouldn't be anything to talk about.

Perhaps if you don't like what SGS has to say then don't read his posts/threads it isn't compulsory you know.

In the words of the Movimiento de Liberación Nacional "words divide us, actions unite us"

[Ideation 8,216]

I guess that we are just a bit different over here in that if the situation is such that we KNOW that we cannot take a clean shot we will leave the animal, rather than hope to blast a few holes in it and slow it down enough to dispatch. But each to their own i guess.

 

Also - what relevance do muslims have to this thread?

 

Yes you said that before .... I am sure that you are the best shot in the UK .... Lets see some pics! Tell us a story about your latest great shot! Do you have any hunting video's to post... ? Written a book on hunting lately? Tell us about your falcons or hawks ....

 

 

Never claimed to be the best shot in the u.k - and funnily enough carrying a camera and film crew about when out hunting isn't really that normal around these parts. And no - no books written here. . . . .

 

Falcons and hawks - what the f*cks that got to do with anything?

 

If you don't have a sensible answer to a comment - which incidentally was not accusatory but merely explanative then just sit on your hands.

 

I trawled through a lot of those videos on that site you put up and as interesting as they are there seems to be an overwhelming obsession with the kill and often just for a trophy - i.e the black bears. However what seems lacking is the desire to kill cleanly and quickly. There is a certain machoness which goes a long with blasting your pistol half a dozen times into something until its dead and then whooping at your trophy. If i had to send six rounds into an animal and chase it around while it bled out . . . . i think i'd consider that a failed hunt and go back to the drawing board for either a bigger gun or some target practice.

 

Like we said before - each to their own and your ways are your ways . . . . . i'm just not sure we would do it that way if we had a chance at the same quarry.

 

(Thats not all americans by the way - i'd give my right arm to run some of Dans staghounds at the yotes)

 

atb and cheer up.

 

Jai.

[SHOTGUNSNIPER 47]

I guess that we are just a bit different over here in that if the situation is such that we KNOW that we cannot take a clean shot we will leave the animal, rather than hope to blast a few holes in it and slow it down enough to dispatch. But each to their own i guess.

 

Also - what relevance do muslims have to this thread?

 

Yes you said that before .... I am sure that you are the best shot in the UK .... Lets see some pics! Tell us a story about your latest great shot! Do you have any hunting video's to post... ? Written a book on hunting lately? Tell us about your falcons or hawks ....

 

 

Never claimed to be the best shot in the u.k - and funnily enough carrying a camera and film crew about when out hunting isn't really that normal around these parts. And no - no books written here. . . . .

 

Falcons and hawks - what the f*cks that got to do with anything?

 

If you don't have a sensible answer to a comment - which incidentally was not accusatory but merely explanative then just sit on your hands.

 

I trawled through a lot of those videos on that site you put up and as interesting as they are there seems to be an overwhelming obsession with the kill and often just for a trophy - i.e the black bears. However what seems lacking is the desire to kill cleanly and quickly. There is a certain machoness which goes a long with blasting your pistol half a dozen times into something until its dead and then whooping at your trophy. If i had to send six rounds into an animal and chase it around while it bled out . . . . i think i'd consider that a failed hunt and go back to the drawing board for either a bigger gun or some target practice.

 

Like we said before - each to their own and your ways are your ways . . . . . i'm just not sure we would do it that way if we had a chance at the same quarry.

 

(Thats not all americans by the way - i'd give my right arm to run some of Dans staghounds at the yotes)

 

atb and cheer up.

 

Jai.

I read your about me page, in there you talk about falconry as one of your activities - Let's hear about it ..... Or would you rather sit back and subjectively pick some one else....After "trawling" through those videos you seemed to have formed some opinions that are in line with the antis I suggest that you may want to join up with them... With all the bad feelings you have toward how people hunt you will fit right in over there!