Bull fighting vid

[inan 841]

The bull would then be effectively "unkillable".

Without the necessary tiring of the animal the head would be held too high for the Matador to effect an ethical kill , ie, exposing his body to the danger of the horns whilst going in with the sword.I have seen bulls murdered , stabbed in the neck , whilst the Matador never once put himself in any danger , [they usually drop like a stone] ,and heard ignorant people cheer them.

Since most cornadas[horn wounds], come in the groin area or the rectum ,often with the Matador impaled and swivelling on the horn ,while the horn makes many tearing trajectories inside his bowels ,lower abdomen, genitals ,each of which have to be opened up and cleaned of debris, horn splinters,sand and general dirt , assuming the Matador does not die of shock,loss of blood before- hand . Maybe you would enjoy it, but I doubt it.

Effectively unkillable, interesting descrption, I personally think thats where the "skill" comes into it.

 

lmao @ the suggestion that bull fighters are cowards!

 

i'd love to know what you've ever done in your whole life which requires as much courage dawn B

Courage, hahahaha!!!! :laugh: If that my friend is "courageous" then dealing with dogs of all types on a daily basis, certainly constitutes bravery!!! :laugh: The local dairy herd have more fight in them than a half dead beast, exhausted, bloodied and unable to lift his head.

I think the video that started this thread,showing a Matador with a horn through his neck and protuding from his mouth, demonstrates that this last sentence is incorrect.

I think it demonstrates it pratt!

Weren't you the one who accused me of shouting at you , because I typed in uppercase? And, said I called you names ,neither of which were correct?

Now you call me names because I show irrefutably ,via the video evidence that when a bull retires to his querencia he is actually at his most dangerous , thereby blowing your statement that the "local dairy herd have more life in them" completely out of the water.

You have now shown your true colours, and completely lost your credibility ,yes you definitely have a "closed mind".

I am only sorry to have spent so long ,courteously replying to a bigot.

Inan, I was NOT implying YOU were a pratt! It was in response to the sentence you mentioned. I apologise if you thought otherwise.

Dawn ,I dislike arguing with ladies, so I will make this brief.

my Father told me long ago, maybe over half a century actually.

" There are a couple of rules that will help you in life".

1. "Don't talk about things you know nothing about , it only makes you look a fool"

2." Don't listen to others talking about things, they know nothing about, it only makes both of you into fools".

I'm mad at myself ,because I've broken rule no 2.

[undisputed 1,664]

It's their culture and their traditions, if you don't like it don't watch it.

 

It takes a lot of skill and experience to do what they do, and a Bull fighter puts his life at serious risk each time he steps in to the ring to entertain the people, not just any old schmuck can get in there and do it.

 

I personally would love to watch a bull fight live and I can't see why so many people on here would be so vocal against the sport after the way us and our sport has been treated and looked down up on in recent times?

 

I'm led to believe that if the bull is particularly good then it is allowed to live, so it's not always the same out come.

 

don't believe everything the anti media feeds us.

 

 

 

No mate its the bull that wont fight that gets to leave the ring intact

[Dawn B 212]

More bulls are not killed?

 

Its exactly the same, plus the bulls have their horns cut. They are always killed, if not in the ring then in the corrals after, by law! And try telling the man on the horse he,s taking part in a sport! You really are a class act!

 

 

OOPS!! You need to do more research...

 

The bull is not killed in the ring and the fight is accordingly referred to as a "bloodless bullfight". After these three sets, the bull is removed from the arena alive and is sometimes killed, away from the audience's sight, by a professional butcher. More often than not, many bulls are entered into other events, such as rodeos in California, or released to pasture until their end days.

 

and:

 

The bull is not killed in the ring and, at the end of the corrida, leading oxen are let into the arena and two campinos on foot herd the bull along them back to its pen. The bull is sometimes killed, away from the audience's sight, by a professional butcher. It can happen that some bulls, after an exceptional performance, are healed, released to pasture until their end days and used for breeding.

[Dawn B 212]

Dawn ,I dislike arguing with ladies, so I will make this brief.

my Father told me long ago, maybe over half a century actually.

" There are a couple of rules that will help you in life".

1. "Don't talk about things you know nothing about , it only makes you look a fool"

2." Don't listen to others talking about things, they know nothing about, it only makes both of you into fools".

I'm mad at myself ,because I've broken rule no 2.

Yes, seems breaking the rules is commonplace in many areas......

[romany52 313]

I've not read all the posts and I don't know a great deal about bull fighting, I do know the bulls have a far better quality of life up until the time they enter the ring, than any cattle in this country, and agree or disagree, the Spanish believe the bull dies with dignity, and believe me, that can't be said for a lot of animals in our slaughter houses .

[Buch 145]

More bulls are not killed?

 

Its exactly the same, plus the bulls have their horns cut. They are always killed, if not in the ring then in the corrals after, by law! And try telling the man on the horse he,s taking part in a sport! You really are a class act!

 

 

OOPS!! You need to do more research...

 

The bull is not killed in the ring and the fight is accordingly referred to as a "bloodless bullfight". After these three sets, the bull is removed from the arena alive and is sometimes killed, away from the audience's sight, by a professional butcher. More often than not, many bulls are entered into other events, such as rodeos in California, or released to pasture until their end days.

 

and:

 

The bull is not killed in the ring and, at the end of the corrida, leading oxen are let into the arena and two campinos on foot herd the bull along them back to its pen. The bull is sometimes killed, away from the audience's sight, by a professional butcher. It can happen that some bulls, after an exceptional performance, are healed, released to pasture until their end days and used for breeding.

 

I wasnt goin to post again in this thread but it seems you havnt done the research. You posted the video merlin earlyer yes that video shows the rideer and horse leaving the arena at the end. BUT if you watch the second video of that "playlist" called bullfighting on horseback you can see at 2mins the rider killed the bull in the ring.

 

 

Like i said i wasnt goin to post but you cant say bulls arnt killed in the ring when there is video evidence of bulls being killed in the ring. Also how do they remove the pics from the bull neck? Does he stand there and let them take em out? After chaceing some one around a ring for 15 mins? Also you said earlyer that bulls never get give a repreave because they would be useless as there necks are permenantly damaged so wouldtnt be able to lift up there heads. What so these bulls whove also had pics in there shoulders are some how in a better state than the bulls after a normal bullfight?

 

I have no problem with either type, i know little about it but its some one elses love and life and the bulls live a fanstastic life. you on the other hand seem to have preconcived ideas of whats right and wrong with having no facts what so ever. I would urge you to not belive everything you read on the internet but try to make up your own mind with the evidence you have seen yourself. Untill then dont do what a large number of people have done in the UK and condemed something that is some ones life, love and lively hood, while knowing very little about it.

Edited May 29, 2010 by Buch

[Dawn B 212]

 

I wasnt goin to post again in this thread but it seems you havnt done the research. You posted the video merlin earlyer yes that video shows the rideer and horse leaving the arena at the end. BUT if you watch the second video of that "playlist" called bullfighting on horseback you can see at 2mins the rider killed the bull in the ring.

 

 

Like i said i wasnt goin to post but you cant say bulls arnt killed in the ring when there is video evidence of bulls being killed in the ring. Also how do they remove the pics from the bull neck? Does he stand there and let them take em out? After chaceing some one around a ring for 15 mins? Also you said earlyer that bulls never get give a repreave because they would be useless as there necks are permenantly damaged so wouldtnt be able to lift up there heads. What so these bulls whove also had pics in there shoulders are some how in a better state than the bulls after a normal bullfight?

 

I have no problem with either type, i know little about it but its some one elses love and life and the bulls live a fanstastic life. you on the other hand seem to have preconcived ideas of whats right and wrong with having no facts what so ever. I would urge you to not belive everything you read on the internet but try to make up your own mind with the evidence you have seen yourself. Untill then dont do what a large number of people have done in the UK and condemed something that is some ones life, love and lively hood, while knowing very little about it.

 

The typical PORTUGUESE Bullfighting, the idea is not to kill the Bull in the ring at all, looking at that video, it states "typically Spanish" well yes, they killed it, that WOULD be typically Spanish, thats what they do.

 

Removing picks, simple. The Bulls are corralled after a fight, just like a Bull in ANY form of handling, it would probably be shepherded into a "crush" or something, little it can do about having the picks removed then is there? Simple really.

 

Re the neck muscles. There is a LOT of info on the net about it, some sites state after many months, the muscles will have repaired enough for the Bull to resume a "normal" life, I think that one alone explains it. Muscle damage in any animal can take ages to heal.

 

You are assuming I have issues with the tradition of Bullfighting, I dont. I have issue with prolonged torture of ANY animal for public entertainment, especially when there will be only one outcome. "Sport" by definition, is a contest, not a foregone conclusion. When I shoot, I dont intend on "injuring" I intend to kill with my first shot. When recieving live game, Id kill it instantly, not leave it bleeding to death, or being mauled, thrown round or otherwise.

[DIDO.1 22,851]

I think this must now be the last time I reply to such an ignorant pig headed person.

 

Yes dawn if you believe bulls in Portugal are sent out of the ring and left to graze in peace till the end of their days then so be it, or sent to America for rodeo!!!!

 

Your right Dawn, about everything!!! I dont know why I bothered spending so much time in foriegn countries! It seems I learnt nothing, I should of stayed at home and learnt it all on the internet.

[Dawn B 212]

I think this must now be the last time I reply to such an ignorant pig headed person.

 

Yes dawn if you believe bulls in Portugal are sent out of the ring and left to graze in peace till the end of their days then so be it, or sent to America for rodeo!!!!

 

Your right Dawn, about everything!!! I dont know why I bothered spending so much time in foriegn countries! It seems I learnt nothing, I should of stayed at home and learnt it all on the internet.

Whatever Dido, whatever, an opposing view obviously leaves you struggling.

 

At what point did I say ALL Bulls are not killed in Portugal? You REALLY need to read before commenting, its reads bad. A Portuguese Bullfight does not normally have the Bull killed in the ring, its killed outside then butchered. Occasionally it will fall inside the ring, not often. A SPANISH Bullfight, adopting Portuguese "style" WILL often see the Bull killed in the ring, I dont think you know the difference, no offence intended, but its you that hasnt done the research, not me.

[lofti 579]

got what he deserved imo!!! better pic!!!

nice one stewie, looks like his tonge!!