Bull fighting vid

[Tallyho 181]

I personally think it a noble sport, a real mans sport, you have to have balls of steel to face a thousand pound bull that can kill you in a stroke much more testing than fox hunting,shooting,or coursing all of witch i used to enjoy people who hunt and say it cruel are hypocrites, that my opinion how many peopole die in other field sports er" none!

 

 

Silly Fool

 

 

Then i must be a hypocrite ! but at least the quarry we hunt is killled quickly we dont poke several knives into it and let it suffer or prolong its death just to get a few claps , Why cant they just prance about a bit with the bull with out cutting any thing or having to hinder the bull in any way then at the end kill it quick now that would be impressive and brave.

[inan 841]

The bull would then be effectively "unkillable".

Without the necessary tiring of the animal the head would be held too high for the Matador to effect an ethical kill , ie, exposing his body to the danger of the horns whilst going in with the sword.I have seen bulls murdered , stabbed in the neck , whilst the Matador never once put himself in any danger , [they usually drop like a stone] ,and heard ignorant people cheer them.

Since most cornadas[horn wounds], come in the groin area or the rectum ,often with the Matador impaled and swivelling on the horn ,while the horn makes many tearing trajectories inside his bowels ,lower abdomen, genitals ,each of which have to be opened up and cleaned of debris, horn splinters,sand and general dirt , assuming the Matador does not die of shock,loss of blood before- hand . Maybe you would enjoy it, but I doubt it.

Effectively unkillable, interesting descrption, I personally think thats where the "skill" comes into it.

 

lmao @ the suggestion that bull fighters are cowards!

 

i'd love to know what you've ever done in your whole life which requires as much courage dawn B

Courage, hahahaha!!!! :laugh: If that my friend is "courageous" then dealing with dogs of all types on a daily basis, certainly constitutes bravery!!! :laugh: The local dairy herd have more fight in them than a half dead beast, exhausted, bloodied and unable to lift his head.

I think the video that started this thread,showing a Matador with a horn through his neck and protuding from his mouth, demonstrates that this last sentence is incorrect.

[spiderpig 39]

who cares!!! let them do and carry on with there traditions as i wish where still allowed to do...

 

p.s dawn you sound a right crank and what the f**k you are doing on this site god only knows....as with all hunting/bull fighting/digging ect ect ect agree or disagree but dont conden someone for doing what they love and keep il informed opinions to your self.rather like a anti hunt protestor never having spent time finding out what it is all about and instaed making ill informed remarks and views by press and other propagander...

 

go to spain,investigate the whole thing,then if you still dont like it at least you have an informed opinion,

[Dawn B 212]

easy to call them cowards while sat behind a key board,

did you not watch the other video posted where several 'cowards' jumped onto an injured man to stop him being injured further,

as has been explained to you the more exhausted the bull is the more dangerous it is (you like most people who are 'anti cruelty' probably didnt listen)

 

dealing with people's pet dogs isnt brave

fighting a raging bull alone is

A raging Bull, classic!! If another human being was being hurt by anything, human nature would tell us to step in.

[Dawn B 212]

The bull would then be effectively "unkillable".

Without the necessary tiring of the animal the head would be held too high for the Matador to effect an ethical kill , ie, exposing his body to the danger of the horns whilst going in with the sword.I have seen bulls murdered , stabbed in the neck , whilst the Matador never once put himself in any danger , [they usually drop like a stone] ,and heard ignorant people cheer them.

Since most cornadas[horn wounds], come in the groin area or the rectum ,often with the Matador impaled and swivelling on the horn ,while the horn makes many tearing trajectories inside his bowels ,lower abdomen, genitals ,each of which have to be opened up and cleaned of debris, horn splinters,sand and general dirt , assuming the Matador does not die of shock,loss of blood before- hand . Maybe you would enjoy it, but I doubt it.

Effectively unkillable, interesting descrption, I personally think thats where the "skill" comes into it.

 

lmao @ the suggestion that bull fighters are cowards!

 

i'd love to know what you've ever done in your whole life which requires as much courage dawn B

Courage, hahahaha!!!! :laugh: If that my friend is "courageous" then dealing with dogs of all types on a daily basis, certainly constitutes bravery!!! :laugh: The local dairy herd have more fight in them than a half dead beast, exhausted, bloodied and unable to lift his head.

I think the video that started this thread,showing a Matador with a horn through his neck and protuding from his mouth, demonstrates that this last sentence is incorrect.

I think it demonstrates it pratt!

[Dawn B 212]

who cares!!! let them do and carry on with there traditions as i wish where still allowed to do...

 

p.s dawn you sound a right crank and what the f**k you are doing on this site god only knows....as with all hunting/bull fighting/digging ect ect ect agree or disagree but dont conden someone for doing what they love and keep il informed opinions to your self.rather like a anti hunt protestor never having spent time finding out what it is all about and instaed making ill informed remarks and views by press and other propagander...

 

go to spain,investigate the whole thing,then if you still dont like it at least you have an informed opinion,

What you think of me holds very little interest for me Spiderpig. Interesting the "lads" only pick on the woman that disagrees with it though 'eh? :clapper:

[Dawn B 212]

youre a brave person for working with dogs but bull-fighters are cowards

I never said that. However Im sure a few of the dogs I deal with could give most people a run for their money, they do me.

 

The cowardice comes from within my friend, take me to the Bull, Ill kill him when he is weak and cant hold up his head, while he is bleeding from picks in his shoulders and neck, while he is foaming at his mouth, exhausted and running on empty. However, ill not face him when he comes in from the field, fresh and alert, oh no!

 

This is why I like the Rejoneador, skill between the Horse and rider, patience and trust, see how much more "stamina" those Bulls have compared to the ones the Matador "fights."

[MuttleMcTuttle 21]

youre a brave person for working with dogs but bull-fighters are cowards

I never said that. However Im sure a few of the dogs I deal with could give most people a run for their money, they do me.

 

The cowardice comes from within my friend, take me to the Bull, Ill kill him when he is weak and cant hold up his head, while he is bleeding from picks in his shoulders and neck, while he is foaming at his mouth, exhausted and running on empty. However, ill not face him when he comes in from the field, fresh and alert, oh no!

 

This is why I like the Rejoneador, skill between the Horse and rider, patience and trust, see how much more "stamina" those Bulls have compared to the ones the Matador "fights."

 

Has to be said Dawn, that horse is a great mover but I think the man is an utter fool to risk him in the bullring... The horseman appeared to be pulling some stunts specifically designed to wind the bull up, and putting on a good display for the crowd, but I did appreciate the way he used the horse's natural instinct and ability and channelled it into what he wanted. Now I want to see him do it without a bridle and let's see some real horsemanship!

 

It would also appear from several videos I watched that the bull rarely starts the action. He needs to be goaded into it, and even at the end often just stands there obviously wondering what the hell is happening. I'd say the matadors that get injured deserve all they get, but I wouldn't really call them cowards, even if they do look a bit gay doing all the posturing and wearing the silly clothes But they certainly aren't heroes... the bull is weakened and confused, his instincts are probably telling him to run but there is nowhere to run to. It's nothing but cruelty to an animal for profit and pleasure, and I personally find that unacceptable. It may be a Spanish tradition, but that doesn't make it right, any more than it is right for the heaviest man in the village to ride a donkey to a clifftop, then hurl the poor animal over the edge.

[DIDO.1 22,852]

youre a brave person for working with dogs but bull-fighters are cowards

I never said that. However Im sure a few of the dogs I deal with could give most people a run for their money, they do me.

 

The cowardice comes from within my friend, take me to the Bull, Ill kill him when he is weak and cant hold up his head, while he is bleeding from picks in his shoulders and neck, while he is foaming at his mouth, exhausted and running on empty. However, ill not face him when he comes in from the field, fresh and alert, oh no!

 

This is why I like the Rejoneador, skill between the Horse and rider, patience and trust, see how much more "stamina" those Bulls have compared to the ones the Matador "fights."

 

I guess its just different morals. I cant stand Rejoneadores, as the man never puts him self with in reach of the horns.

I also as a holder of a slaughtermans licence hate to see what goes on in slaughterhouses to the extent that I am particular as to what meat I eat, but I have no problems with any aspects of a fighting bulls live or death in the corrida. Unlike certain other people on here I have experienced things first hand and my knowledge hasnt come from google searches!!!!

 

Also Dawn you say you would kill a bull that has been weakened by picadors????? U would go over the horns and place a sword between a bulls shoulder blades???? Even though you have been told that is when the bull is at his most dangerous?????

 

The sad thing is you cannot see that hunting was banned because of people like you. People who formed an opinion and would never even concede one point that they are clearly wrong about. People who did all the research on complicated issues on the internet! People who cannot except that certain things that they have only read about are the absolute world to other people.

[inan 841]

The bull would then be effectively "unkillable".

Without the necessary tiring of the animal the head would be held too high for the Matador to effect an ethical kill , ie, exposing his body to the danger of the horns whilst going in with the sword.I have seen bulls murdered , stabbed in the neck , whilst the Matador never once put himself in any danger , [they usually drop like a stone] ,and heard ignorant people cheer them.

Since most cornadas[horn wounds], come in the groin area or the rectum ,often with the Matador impaled and swivelling on the horn ,while the horn makes many tearing trajectories inside his bowels ,lower abdomen, genitals ,each of which have to be opened up and cleaned of debris, horn splinters,sand and general dirt , assuming the Matador does not die of shock,loss of blood before- hand . Maybe you would enjoy it, but I doubt it.

Effectively unkillable, interesting descrption, I personally think thats where the "skill" comes into it.

 

lmao @ the suggestion that bull fighters are cowards!

 

i'd love to know what you've ever done in your whole life which requires as much courage dawn B

Courage, hahahaha!!!! :laugh: If that my friend is "courageous" then dealing with dogs of all types on a daily basis, certainly constitutes bravery!!! :laugh: The local dairy herd have more fight in them than a half dead beast, exhausted, bloodied and unable to lift his head.

I think the video that started this thread,showing a Matador with a horn through his neck and protuding from his mouth, demonstrates that this last sentence is incorrect.

I think it demonstrates it pratt!

Weren't you the one who accused me of shouting at you , because I typed in uppercase? And, said I called you names ,neither of which were correct?

Now you call me names because I show irrefutably ,via the video evidence that when a bull retires to his querencia he is actually at his most dangerous , thereby blowing your statement that the "local dairy herd have more life in them" completely out of the water.

You have now shown your true colours, and completely lost your credibility ,yes you definitely have a "closed mind".

I am only sorry to have spent so long ,courteously replying to a bigot.

[Dawn B 212]

Has to be said Dawn, that horse is a great mover but I think the man is an utter fool to risk him in the bullring... The horseman appeared to be pulling some stunts specifically designed to wind the bull up, and putting on a good display for the crowd, but I did appreciate the way he used the horse's natural instinct and ability and channelled it into what he wanted. Now I want to see him do it without a bridle and let's see some real horsemanship!

 

It would also appear from several videos I watched that the bull rarely starts the action. He needs to be goaded into it, and even at the end often just stands there obviously wondering what the hell is happening. I'd say the matadors that get injured deserve all they get, but I wouldn't really call them cowards, even if they do look a bit gay doing all the posturing and wearing the silly clothes But they certainly aren't heroes... the bull is weakened and confused, his instincts are probably telling him to run but there is nowhere to run to. It's nothing but cruelty to an animal for profit and pleasure, and I personally find that unacceptable. It may be a Spanish tradition, but that doesn't make it right, any more than it is right for the heaviest man in the village to ride a donkey to a clifftop, then hurl the poor animal over the edge.

Fantastic Horse!! :notworthy: There are many Lusitano types that do it, fabulous! Its more the Portuguese style of Bullfighting. I appreciate the work and training that has gone into it, so much trust, I honestly find to thrilling to watch. Id go see it in a heartbeat.

[Dawn B 212]

youre a brave person for working with dogs but bull-fighters are cowards

I never said that. However Im sure a few of the dogs I deal with could give most people a run for their money, they do me.

 

The cowardice comes from within my friend, take me to the Bull, Ill kill him when he is weak and cant hold up his head, while he is bleeding from picks in his shoulders and neck, while he is foaming at his mouth, exhausted and running on empty. However, ill not face him when he comes in from the field, fresh and alert, oh no!

 

This is why I like the Rejoneador, skill between the Horse and rider, patience and trust, see how much more "stamina" those Bulls have compared to the ones the Matador "fights."

 

I guess its just different morals. I cant stand Rejoneadores, as the man never puts him self with in reach of the horns.

I also as a holder of a slaughtermans licence hate to see what goes on in slaughterhouses to the extent that I am particular as to what meat I eat, but I have no problems with any aspects of a fighting bulls live or death in the corrida. Unlike certain other people on here I have experienced things first hand and my knowledge hasnt come from google searches!!!!

 

Also Dawn you say you would kill a bull that has been weakened by picadors????? U would go over the horns and place a sword between a bulls shoulder blades???? Even though you have been told that is when the bull is at his most dangerous?????

 

The sad thing is you cannot see that hunting was banned because of people like you. People who formed an opinion and would never even concede one point that they are clearly wrong about. People who did all the research on complicated issues on the internet! People who cannot except that certain things that they have only read about are the absolute world to other people.

It maybe different morals, it certainly isnt because I have an "issue" with the practice itself, I dont. Its the weakening, injuring, exhausting and bleeding of the Bull BEFORE the Matador enters I have the problem with. Its long, drawn out torture with only one outcome.

 

I cannot see the likening to the hunting ban either, Fox Hunting is controlling a pest species, I didnt march twice, campaign like mad, and I dont visit my local hunt regularly to hopefully re-instate long drawn out torture of Foxes purely for public entertainment. Thats where you are wrong.

[Dawn B 212]

The bull would then be effectively "unkillable".

Without the necessary tiring of the animal the head would be held too high for the Matador to effect an ethical kill , ie, exposing his body to the danger of the horns whilst going in with the sword.I have seen bulls murdered , stabbed in the neck , whilst the Matador never once put himself in any danger , [they usually drop like a stone] ,and heard ignorant people cheer them.

Since most cornadas[horn wounds], come in the groin area or the rectum ,often with the Matador impaled and swivelling on the horn ,while the horn makes many tearing trajectories inside his bowels ,lower abdomen, genitals ,each of which have to be opened up and cleaned of debris, horn splinters,sand and general dirt , assuming the Matador does not die of shock,loss of blood before- hand . Maybe you would enjoy it, but I doubt it.

Effectively unkillable, interesting descrption, I personally think thats where the "skill" comes into it.

 

lmao @ the suggestion that bull fighters are cowards!

 

i'd love to know what you've ever done in your whole life which requires as much courage dawn B

Courage, hahahaha!!!! :laugh: If that my friend is "courageous" then dealing with dogs of all types on a daily basis, certainly constitutes bravery!!! :laugh: The local dairy herd have more fight in them than a half dead beast, exhausted, bloodied and unable to lift his head.

I think the video that started this thread,showing a Matador with a horn through his neck and protuding from his mouth, demonstrates that this last sentence is incorrect.

I think it demonstrates it pratt!

Weren't you the one who accused me of shouting at you , because I typed in uppercase? And, said I called you names ,neither of which were correct?

Now you call me names because I show irrefutably ,via the video evidence that when a bull retires to his querencia he is actually at his most dangerous , thereby blowing your statement that the "local dairy herd have more life in them" completely out of the water.

You have now shown your true colours, and completely lost your credibility ,yes you definitely have a "closed mind".

I am only sorry to have spent so long ,courteously replying to a bigot.

Inan, I was NOT implying YOU were a pratt! It was in response to the sentence you mentioned. I apologise if you thought otherwise.

[Dawn B 212]

even though the man riding the horse is a coward?

Yep, he is a skilled Horseman, love it! Of course far more Bulls are NOT killed in this type of fighting, means more to me when an animal stands a "fighting chance. Thats where the sport comes in.

Edited May 28, 2010 by Dawn B

[DIDO.1 22,852]

even though the man riding the horse is a coward?

Yep, he is a skilled Horseman, love it! Of course far more Bulls are NOT killed in this type of fighting, means more to me when an animal stands a "fighting chance. Thats where the sport comes in.

 

More bulls are not killed?

 

Its exactly the same, plus the bulls have their horns cut. They are always killed, if not in the ring then in the corrals after, by law! And try telling the man on the horse he,s taking part in a sport! You really are a class act!