Bull fighting vid

[Dawn B 212]

YOU SAID HIS NECK MUSCLES ARE SEVERED, I SAID THEY ARE NOT, AND THAT I DO KNOW.

I HAVE SEEN QUITE A FEW CORRIDAS ,AND READ A BIT ABOUT IT ,I WOULD IMAGINE FROM YOUR POSTS YOU HAVE NOT.

I AM NOT AN EXPERT ON THE SUBJECT ,BUT WOULD WAGER I AM BETTER INFORMED ON IT THAN YOURSELF.

YOU ARE ENTITLED TO BE PRO OR CON ON THE SUBJECT, I REALLY HAVE NO INTEREST IN TRYING TO CONVERT YOU, BUT YOUR COMMENTS APPEAR TO COME FROM A CLOSED MIND.NOT DISIMILAR TO ANTIS I HAVE DEBATED WITH.

 

Using capital letters to try to put a point across is seen as shouting on the internet, you dont need to shout at me.

 

Im pleased you have done a bit of reading, like myself in fact, I find many articles interesting to say the least. Can you prove to me that the muscles in the neck are not severed? See, the thing is several veterinary reports clearly say they are, you can find a couple if you search the net, one is on a PRO Bullfighting website.

 

You can call me names too, doesnt bother me in the slightest, I am not "anti" Bullfighting, just anti cowardice and prolonged torture for public entertainment.

Edited May 26, 2010 by Dawn B

[Dawn B 212]

Dawn your on a hunting forum saying some one elses way of life you seem to know little about is wrong. If you cant see the irony in that then im not going to explain it to you.

 

If you want to get upset over something get upset over halaal or skinnig foxes alive for fur or the rspca killing pets with bolt guns. The life of a bull is fantastic. Free roming, best scoff. You cant pin human emotions or atribues on a bull. At the end of the day who has more right the Spanish to a tradition or the antis to ban it because they think its cruel?

What been said is that, when the matador faces the bull, its fecked+lost blood,and thats how they do there bull fighting ok. all as been said if they faced the bull fresh, which they wouldnt, then you could say it was fair.

Precisely, but people read what they want to read Bird........

[DIDO.1 22,851]

Dawn your on a hunting forum saying some one elses way of life you seem to know little about is wrong. If you cant see the irony in that then im not going to explain it to you.

 

If you want to get upset over something get upset over halaal or skinnig foxes alive for fur or the rspca killing pets with bolt guns. The life of a bull is fantastic. Free roming, best scoff. You cant pin human emotions or atribues on a bull. At the end of the day who has more right the Spanish to a tradition or the antis to ban it because they think its cruel?

What been said is that, when the matador faces the bull, its fecked+lost blood,and thats how they do there bull fighting ok. all as been said if they faced the bull fresh, which they wouldnt, then you could say it was fair.

Precisely, but people read what they want to read Bird........

 

.....and only believe [bANNED TEXT] they want to believe

[Dawn B 212]

This is one such quote from a PRO Bullfighting website:

 

This stage includes the lancing of the bull by a picador on horseback, a move intended to weaken the bull by severing powerful neck muscles

 

Are they lying too?

[chimp 299]

what are your views on digging fox dawn?

 

it doesnt bode well what you are saying , your coming across a bit anti' ish

 

a few more:

 

fishing

shooting

fox hunting (chased to earth)

Edited May 26, 2010 by chimp

[inan 841]

YOU SAID HIS NECK MUSCLES ARE SEVERED, I SAID THEY ARE NOT, AND THAT I DO KNOW.

I HAVE SEEN QUITE A FEW CORRIDAS ,AND READ A BIT ABOUT IT ,I WOULD IMAGINE FROM YOUR POSTS YOU HAVE NOT.

I AM NOT AN EXPERT ON THE SUBJECT ,BUT WOULD WAGER I AM BETTER INFORMED ON IT THAN YOURSELF.

YOU ARE ENTITLED TO BE PRO OR CON ON THE SUBJECT, I REALLY HAVE NO INTEREST IN TRYING TO CONVERT YOU, BUT YOUR COMMENTS APPEAR TO COME FROM A CLOSED MIND.NOT DISIMILAR TO ANTIS I HAVE DEBATED WITH.

 

Using capital letters to try to put a point across is seen as shouting on the internet, you dont need to shout at me.

 

Im pleased you have done a bit of reading, like myself in fact, I find many articles interesting to say the least. Can you prove to me that the muscles in the neck are not severed? See, the thing is several veterinary reports clearly say they are, you can find a couple if you search the net, one is on a PRO Bullfighting website.

 

You can call me names too, doesnt bother me in the slightest, I am not "anti" Bullfighting, just anti cowardice and prolonged torture for public entertainment.

The capitals were a pure accident ,and I was too lazy to delete and change them , no rudeness intended.

I did not call you names I said you sound as though you have a closed mind on this subject.

I said twice you have a perfect right to agree or disagree with Bullfighting, it is often an emotional subject.As I said I have no interest in converting you ,nor with continuing this dialogue as to do so ,would only be repeating myself.

I will just say that to call a man who faces a half ton fighting bull that can turn like a quarter horse, a coward is rather bizarre, to say the least.

FINIS.

[DIDO.1 22,851]

This is one such quote from a PRO Bullfighting website:

 

This stage includes the lancing of the bull by a picador on horseback, a move intended to weaken the bull by severing powerful neck muscles

 

Are they lying too?

 

Nobody said you were lying sweet cheeks, just wrong. They are wrong too.

[Dawn B 212]

what are your views on digging fox dawn?

 

it doesnt bode well what you are saying , your coming across a bit anti' ish

 

a few more:

 

fishing

shooting

fox hunting (chased to earth)

As I said Chimp, I think its very necessary, have done it with 3 of my Borders in the past, but not for about 5yrs or so. I dont find anything particularly "pleasurable" about it, but it did satisfy me to know an animal causing problems was dealt with.

 

Shooting, do it all the time, have done for over 20yrs. Rough shooting mainly. Again managing pest species.

 

Fishing. Waste of time! Fish make me heave!! :D No problem at all with it though, used to go with my brother in law when I was much younger on holiday, in the river Glaslyn in North Wales, for Salmon.

 

Fox hunting, then digging out, I believe is perfectly acceptable if the land owner wants it.

 

Also enjoy Hare Coursing, lamping etc..

Edited May 26, 2010 by Dawn B

[Dawn B 212]

YOU SAID HIS NECK MUSCLES ARE SEVERED, I SAID THEY ARE NOT, AND THAT I DO KNOW.

I HAVE SEEN QUITE A FEW CORRIDAS ,AND READ A BIT ABOUT IT ,I WOULD IMAGINE FROM YOUR POSTS YOU HAVE NOT.

I AM NOT AN EXPERT ON THE SUBJECT ,BUT WOULD WAGER I AM BETTER INFORMED ON IT THAN YOURSELF.

YOU ARE ENTITLED TO BE PRO OR CON ON THE SUBJECT, I REALLY HAVE NO INTEREST IN TRYING TO CONVERT YOU, BUT YOUR COMMENTS APPEAR TO COME FROM A CLOSED MIND.NOT DISIMILAR TO ANTIS I HAVE DEBATED WITH.

 

Using capital letters to try to put a point across is seen as shouting on the internet, you dont need to shout at me.

 

Im pleased you have done a bit of reading, like myself in fact, I find many articles interesting to say the least. Can you prove to me that the muscles in the neck are not severed? See, the thing is several veterinary reports clearly say they are, you can find a couple if you search the net, one is on a PRO Bullfighting website.

 

You can call me names too, doesnt bother me in the slightest, I am not "anti" Bullfighting, just anti cowardice and prolonged torture for public entertainment.

The capitals were a pure accident ,and I was too lazy to delete and change them , no rudeness intended.

I did not call you names I said you sound as though you have a closed mind on this subject.

I said twice you have a perfect right to agree or disagree with Bullfighting, it is often an emotional subject.As I said I have no interest in converting you ,nor with continuing this dialogue as to do so ,would only be repeating myself.

I will just say that to call a man who faces a half ton fighting bull that can turn like a quarter horse, a coward is rather bizarre, to say the least.

FINIS.

Apologies for assuming you were shouting.

 

That is my problem, the one most of you seem to have missed. I have NO problem with the "theory" of Bullfighting, heck I think thats a REAL test, my problem is that the Bull cant win, there is no sport, just a foregone conclusion whereby a "man" prances about with a crippled, exhausted Bull and is treated like a hero when he finally kills it. Tough GUY!!!!!!

 

I appreciate your point, but let the Bull in UNHARMED with the MAtador, Id pay to go watch it!

Edited May 26, 2010 by Dawn B

[Dawn B 212]

This is one such quote from a PRO Bullfighting website:

 

This stage includes the lancing of the bull by a picador on horseback, a move intended to weaken the bull by severing powerful neck muscles

 

Are they lying too?

 

Nobody said you were lying sweet cheeks, just wrong. They are wrong too.

Prove me wrong (and them) sweetie..

[inan 841]

YOU SAID HIS NECK MUSCLES ARE SEVERED, I SAID THEY ARE NOT, AND THAT I DO KNOW.

I HAVE SEEN QUITE A FEW CORRIDAS ,AND READ A BIT ABOUT IT ,I WOULD IMAGINE FROM YOUR POSTS YOU HAVE NOT.

I AM NOT AN EXPERT ON THE SUBJECT ,BUT WOULD WAGER I AM BETTER INFORMED ON IT THAN YOURSELF.

YOU ARE ENTITLED TO BE PRO OR CON ON THE SUBJECT, I REALLY HAVE NO INTEREST IN TRYING TO CONVERT YOU, BUT YOUR COMMENTS APPEAR TO COME FROM A CLOSED MIND.NOT DISIMILAR TO ANTIS I HAVE DEBATED WITH.

 

Using capital letters to try to put a point across is seen as shouting on the internet, you dont need to shout at me.

 

Im pleased you have done a bit of reading, like myself in fact, I find many articles interesting to say the least. Can you prove to me that the muscles in the neck are not severed? See, the thing is several veterinary reports clearly say they are, you can find a couple if you search the net, one is on a PRO Bullfighting website.

 

You can call me names too, doesnt bother me in the slightest, I am not "anti" Bullfighting, just anti cowardice and prolonged torture for public entertainment.

The capitals were a pure accident ,and I was too lazy to delete and change them , no rudeness intended.

I did not call you names I said you sound as though you have a closed mind on this subject.

I said twice you have a perfect right to agree or disagree with Bullfighting, it is often an emotional subject.As I said I have no interest in converting you ,nor with continuing this dialogue as to do so ,would only be repeating myself.

I will just say that to call a man who faces a half ton fighting bull that can turn like a quarter horse, a coward is rather bizarre, to say the least.

FINIS.

Apologies for assuming you were shouting.

 

That is my problem, the one most of you seem to have missed. I have NO problem with the "theory" of Bullfighting, heck I think thats a REAL test, my problem is that the Bull cant win, there is no sport, just a foregone conclusion whereby a "man" prances about with a crippled, exhausted Bull and is treated like a hero when he finally kills it. Tough GUY!!!!!!

 

I appreciate your point, but let the Bull in UNHARu]MED with the MAtador, Id pay to go watch it!

The bull would then be effectively "unkillable".

Without the necessary tiring of the animal the head would be held too high for the Matador to effect an ethical kill , ie, exposing his body to the danger of the horns whilst going in with the sword.I have seen bulls murdered , stabbed in the neck , whilst the Matador never once put himself in any danger , [they usually drop like a stone] ,and heard ignorant people cheer them.

Since most cornadas[horn wounds], come in the groin area or the rectum ,often with the Matador impaled and swivelling on the horn ,while the horn makes many tearing trajectories inside his bowels ,lower abdomen, genitals ,each of which have to be opened up and cleaned of debris, horn splinters,sand and general dirt , assuming the Matador does not die of shock,loss of blood before- hand . Maybe you would enjoy it, but I doubt it.

[MuttleMcTuttle 21]

I wonder how many of the tourists who enjoy a visit to the bullfighting would get the same buzz from a visit to an abbatoir? I also wonder if they would get the same pleasure from a bullfight if they had a ringside seat in an empty bullring and were made to sit and watch the slaughter at close range without an excited crowd around them?

 

At least in a bull fight the bull's end is relatively swift... the good old "cowboys" know how to get real entertainment out of an animal... (I actually have friends who are genuine cowboys, and I sincerely do not mean to lump them all in the same bracket.)

 

 

Call me an "anti" if you like, I don't consider that to be particularly insulting if it means an anti is someone who believes in treating animals with respect and not killing them in a slow and brutal way solely for the gratification of humans.

[inan 841]

I wonder how many of the tourists who enjoy a visit to the bullfighting would get the same buzz from a visit to an abbatoir? I also wonder if they would get the same pleasure from a bullfight if they had a ringside seat in an empty bullring and were made to sit and watch the slaughter at close range without an excited crowd around them?

 

At least in a bull fight the bull's end is relatively swift... the good old "cowboys" know how to get real entertainment out of an animal... (I actually have friends who are genuine cowboys, and I sincerely do not mean to lump them all in the same bracket.)

 

 

Call me an "anti" if you like, I don't consider that to be particularly insulting if it means an anti is someone who believes in treating animals with respect and not killing them in a slow and brutal way solely for the gratification of humans.

 

The object of a Corrida is to show how a man ,armed only with a sword manages,[or does not], to dominate half a ton of charging fighting bull ,putting himself in harms way as he does so. I don't see the correlation between this and an abbatoir where a slaughterman is at no time in any danger, and is merely killing an animal for meat .

I usually sit in the barrera seats they are the equivalent of ringside, but nowadays in the shady side if possible. I don't care for rodeos myself, but there you are, different strokes etc.

Edited May 27, 2010 by inan

[Guest Arsenal F.C]

I personally think it a noble sport, a real mans sport, you have to have balls of steel to face a thousand pound bull that can kill you in a stroke much more testing than fox hunting,shooting,or coursing all of witch i used to enjoy people who hunt and say it cruel are hypocrites, that my opinion how many peopole die in other field sports er" none!

 

 

Silly Fool

[Dawn B 212]

The bull would then be effectively "unkillable".

Without the necessary tiring of the animal the head would be held too high for the Matador to effect an ethical kill , ie, exposing his body to the danger of the horns whilst going in with the sword.I have seen bulls murdered , stabbed in the neck , whilst the Matador never once put himself in any danger , [they usually drop like a stone] ,and heard ignorant people cheer them.

Since most cornadas[horn wounds], come in the groin area or the rectum ,often with the Matador impaled and swivelling on the horn ,while the horn makes many tearing trajectories inside his bowels ,lower abdomen, genitals ,each of which have to be opened up and cleaned of debris, horn splinters,sand and general dirt , assuming the Matador does not die of shock,loss of blood before- hand . Maybe you would enjoy it, but I doubt it.

Effectively unkillable, interesting descrption, I personally think thats where the "skill" comes into it.

 

lmao @ the suggestion that bull fighters are cowards!

 

i'd love to know what you've ever done in your whole life which requires as much courage dawn B

Courage, hahahaha!!!! :laugh: If that my friend is "courageous" then dealing with dogs of all types on a daily basis, certainly constitutes bravery!!! :laugh: The local dairy herd have more fight in them than a half dead beast, exhausted, bloodied and unable to lift his head.