Bull fighting vid

[Guest stewie]

dido would you fight a bull????

 

I would never again go within reach of a spanish fighting bull. I have killed two young animals behind closed doors on a ranch and have been many times in the ring with young cows during the time they are tested for bravery and breeding selection in a mini/mock bull fight. I have done enough to know I will never have the bravery or skills to handle anything bigger and painful incidents to know not to mess even with the small ones. I would love to run with bulls again but dont think I would even risk that anymore after the injuries I have seen.

fair play mate it dont bother me tho just not my thing and that was a genuine spelling mistake before

[Dawn B 212]

You lot are incredible, you support prolonged torture of an animal that has no chance of survival. There is NO sport in that, none at all what so ever, its a disgrace, tradition or not. Please explain why the tough guy can't face his "enemy" without it being exhausted and injured first!

 

Some quotes from Bull Fighting sites:

 

These picks are meant to weaken the neck, so that the bull is resistant to carrying his head high and to slow down the movements of his head

 

To pierce the muscle on the back of the bull’s neck in order to straighten the bull's charge.

To fatigue the bull’s neck muscles and general stamina as it tries to lift the horse with its head.

To lower the bull’s head in preparation for the next stage.

 

the picador is required in the first phase of the bullfight to weaken and cut the bull’s neck muscles so that its head will be lowered for the footed bullfighter to manage it.

 

Now can you explain why my "severing of the neck muscles" is not correct?

[Attack Fell Terrier 864]

You lot are incredible, you support prolonged torture of an animal that has no chance of survival...

 

BUT THEY DO HAVE CHANCE FOR SURVIVAL!!!! If you're not willing to even take that on board then what's the point in debating any of it with you?

 

What you are saying is no different than the anti's lying about what we do IMO.

[Giro 2,648]

http://www.youtube.c...feature=related

 

 

These guys where brave good pals some would of fecked right off...

Edited May 26, 2010 by Giro

[Dawn B 212]

You lot are incredible, you support prolonged torture of an animal that has no chance of survival...

 

BUT THEY DO HAVE CHANCE FOR SURVIVAL!!!! If you're not willing to even take that on board then what's the point in debating any of it with you?

 

What you are saying is no different than the anti's lying about what we do IMO.

How many? 1 in 1000? please show me proof of the FACTS you claim exist.

[Leeview 791]

If all the bulls are killed that enter the ring how do they breed to keep these lines going?

Y.I.S Leeview

[inan 841]

You lot are incredible, you support prolonged torture of an animal that has no chance of survival. There is NO sport in that, none at all what so ever, its a disgrace, tradition or not. Please explain why the tough guy can't face his "enemy" without it being exhausted and injured first!

 

Some quotes from Bull Fighting sites:

 

These picks are meant to weaken the neck, so that the bull is resistant to carrying his head high and to slow down the movements of his head

 

To pierce the muscle on the back of the bull’s neck in order to straighten the bull's charge.

To fatigue the bull’s neck muscles and general stamina as it tries to lift the horse with its head.

To lower the bull’s head in preparation for the next stage.

 

the picador is required in the first phase of the bullfight to weaken and cut the bull’s neck muscles so that its head will be lowered for the footed bullfighter to manage it.

 

Now can you explain why my "severing of the neck muscles" is not correct?

 

If you severed the neck muscles of the bull he would not be able to lift his head at all ,let alone lift a mounted picador wearing leg armour and throw him up in the air, look at the vid again, do you think a bull could thrust his horn through a mans throat and out of his mouth if his neck muscles were severed?

[Buch 145]

I was the one who called it "sport" which was a bad term to use. I dont know much about it but with out knowing all the facts (which some on here have experianced) you cant just condem it out right. The antis are in no way above falsifying facts and lying. Just looka the the suposed dieing hare video from ireland a few weeks ago.

[Dawn B 212]

well digging fox cannot be sport either then,

not much chance of it surviving either is there?and the terrier can be with it in there giving it hell for a long time can it not?

 

animals should have the same rights as people,infact no,more rights than people,and so should plants,we should actually only eat fruit BUT remember to plant the seeds after or the tree will be upset that one of its babies is dead

No, I dont think digging to Foxes is "sport" I think its necessary to protect stock and wildlife in some cases. I think Fox HUNTING is sport.

 

 

If all the bulls are killed that enter the ring how do they breed to keep these lines going?

Y.I.S Leeview

A very select few are kept as breeding stock (male) thousands of females are bred from each year to supply the demand.

 

You lot are incredible, you support prolonged torture of an animal that has no chance of survival. There is NO sport in that, none at all what so ever, its a disgrace, tradition or not. Please explain why the tough guy can't face his "enemy" without it being exhausted and injured first!

 

Some quotes from Bull Fighting sites:

 

These picks are meant to weaken the neck, so that the bull is resistant to carrying his head high and to slow down the movements of his head

 

To pierce the muscle on the back of the bull’s neck in order to straighten the bull's charge.

To fatigue the bull’s neck muscles and general stamina as it tries to lift the horse with its head.

To lower the bull’s head in preparation for the next stage.

 

the picador is required in the first phase of the bullfight to weaken and cut the bull’s neck muscles so that its head will be lowered for the footed bullfighter to manage it.

 

Now can you explain why my "severing of the neck muscles" is not correct?

 

If you severed the neck muscles of the bull he would not be able to lift his head at all ,let alone lift a mounted picador wearing leg armour and throw him up in the air, look at the vid again, do you think a bull could thrust his horn through a mans throat and out of his mouth if his neck muscles were severed?

Oh yes he would be able to lift his head, he does! There are loads of muscles and tendons in the neck, its the strongest part of the Bull, where his power comes from, hence why the tough Matador wont face "Toro" without them being damaged. If you have a person that cannot walk, can he move?

[Buch 145]

Dawn your on a hunting forum saying some one elses way of life you seem to know little about is wrong. If you cant see the irony in that then im not going to explain it to you.

 

If you want to get upset over something get upset over halaal or skinnig foxes alive for fur or the rspca killing pets with bolt guns. The life of a bull is fantastic. Free roming, best scoff. You cant pin human emotions or atribues on a bull. At the end of the day who has more right the Spanish to a tradition or the antis to ban it because they think its cruel?

[inan 841]

well digging fox cannot be sport either then,

not much chance of it surviving either is there?and the terrier can be with it in there giving it hell for a long time can it not?

 

animals should have the same rights as people,infact no,more rights than people,and so should plants,we should actually only eat fruit BUT remember to plant the seeds after or the tree will be upset that one of its babies is dead

No, I dont think digging to Foxes is "sport" I think its necessary to protect stock and wildlife in some cases. I think Fox HUNTING is sport.

 

 

If all the bulls are killed that enter the ring how do they breed to keep these lines going?

Y.I.S Leeview

A very select few are kept as breeding stock (male) thousands of females are bred from each year to supply the demand.

 

You lot are incredible, you support prolonged torture of an animal that has no chance of survival. There is NO sport in that, none at all what so ever, its a disgrace, tradition or not. Please explain why the tough guy can't face his "enemy" without it being exhausted and injured first!

 

Some quotes from Bull Fighting sites:

 

These picks are meant to weaken the neck, so that the bull is resistant to carrying his head high and to slow down the movements of his head

 

To pierce the muscle on the back of the bull’s neck in order to straighten the bull's charge.

To fatigue the bull’s neck muscles and general stamina as it tries to lift the horse with its head.

To lower the bull’s head in preparation for the next stage.

 

the picador is required in the first phase of the bullfight to weaken and cut the bull’s neck muscles so that its head will be lowered for the footed bullfighter to manage it.

 

Now can you explain why my "severing of the neck muscles" is not correct?

 

If you severed the neck muscles of the bull he would not be able to lift his head at all ,let alone lift a mounted picador wearing leg armour and throw him up in the air, look at the vid again, do you think a bull could thrust his horn through a mans throat and out of his mouth if his neck muscles were severed?

Oh yes he would be able to lift his head, he does! There are loads of muscles and tendons in the neck, its the strongest part of the Bull, where his power comes from, hence why the tough Matador wont face "Toro" without them being damaged. If you have a person that cannot walk, can he move?

YOU SAID HIS NECK MUSCLES ARE SEVERED, I SAID THEY ARE NOT, AND THAT I DO KNOW.

I HAVE SEEN QUITE A FEW CORRIDAS ,AND READ A BIT ABOUT IT ,I WOULD IMAGINE FROM YOUR POSTS YOU HAVE NOT.

I AM NOT AN EXPERT ON THE SUBJECT ,BUT WOULD WAGER I AM BETTER INFORMED ON IT THAN YOURSELF.

YOU ARE ENTITLED TO BE PRO OR CON ON THE SUBJECT, I REALLY HAVE NO INTEREST IN TRYING TO CONVERT YOU, BUT YOUR COMMENTS APPEAR TO COME FROM A CLOSED MIND.NOT DISIMILAR TO ANTIS I HAVE DEBATED WITH.

[bird 10,013]

Dawn your on a hunting forum saying some one elses way of life you seem to know little about is wrong. If you cant see the irony in that then im not going to explain it to you.

 

If you want to get upset over something get upset over halaal or skinnig foxes alive for fur or the rspca killing pets with bolt guns. The life of a bull is fantastic. Free roming, best scoff. You cant pin human emotions or atribues on a bull. At the end of the day who has more right the Spanish to a tradition or the antis to ban it because they think its cruel?

What been said is that, when the matador faces the bull, its fecked+lost blood,and thats how they do there bull fighting ok. all as been said if they faced the bull fresh, which they wouldnt, then you could say it was fair.

[DIDO.1 22,851]

Dawn your on a hunting forum saying some one elses way of life you seem to know little about is wrong. If you cant see the irony in that then im not going to explain it to you.

 

If you want to get upset over something get upset over halaal or skinnig foxes alive for fur or the rspca killing pets with bolt guns. The life of a bull is fantastic. Free roming, best scoff. You cant pin human emotions or atribues on a bull. At the end of the day who has more right the Spanish to a tradition or the antis to ban it because they think its cruel?

What been said is that, when the matador faces the bull, its fecked+lost blood,and thats how they do there bull fighting ok. all as been said if they faced the bull fresh, which they wouldnt, then you could say it was fair.

 

err.... they do face it when its fresh when it first comes into the ring it is passed by a lone matador with a cape. At that time though it looks dangerous (and is more dangerous and scary than anything you will ever do in your life) it is no where near as dangerous as the final moments as it is killed. At that moment when tho it is slow and concentrates it ahs learnt alot and still has more strenght than you can ever imagine. It is at the kill when the man must go in over the horn to place the sword that most men are gored/killed.

[Malt 379]

This has been done to death on here before and gone the same way. I'll say now what I said last time:

 

 

I can't believe how many people here are so quick to condemn a traditional way of life after what's happened & is happening to ours. Some of the comments on this thread would not be out of place on an anti forum.

 

Each to their own & all power to them IMO.

 

 

[Dawn B 212]

Dawn your on a hunting forum saying some one elses way of life you seem to know little about is wrong. If you cant see the irony in that then im not going to explain it to you.

 

If you want to get upset over something get upset over halaal or skinnig foxes alive for fur or the rspca killing pets with bolt guns. The life of a bull is fantastic. Free roming, best scoff. You cant pin human emotions or atribues on a bull. At the end of the day who has more right the Spanish to a tradition or the antis to ban it because they think its cruel?

Why would you for one second think it upsets me? It doesnt in ANY sense of the word, I find Bullfighting a JOKE in EVERY sense of the word!