Gary Middleton Lakey

[Bosun11 537]

White Lakies have always been about...

 

If the general knowlage about this line is to be belived and plenty have seen the pics and heard the tales, from Barker through Wilkinson to Middleton, then they were bred out of white dogs... No need to add any, the line already threw 'em and, if old tales are worth listenin to, then many a white dog was bred and 'given' as rabbitin dogs before the war, from other lines too, as they were deemed sub-standard because of colour. Not sayin Gary didn't add Fox terrier, maybe he did, I don't know but if his line of 'showey' Lakies already threw white pups with big boxy heads (as Gary likes) then why add skinny headed fox terriers??

 

Nowt new in white dogs except the boom in the 's..!!

I had the odd white in a litter from time to time so did dave R out of his dog Rip he was bred by Sid Wilkinson and a few over lad at the time who had this line but the pup were weak sickly thinks if thay live I am not having a go at Gary just what a saw but all i can say thay work and work VERY VERY well

 

Personally mate, I don't care if you have a pop at Gary or not, he's always stood himself up to be knocked down over his dogs anyway, it his choice. I've known him a long time and like the old bugger too but i've never been a fan of his dogs.

Gary went into breeding and promoting his whites with a lad from Lancs PE back in the 's. I knew both well enough, seen those early dogs at work and wouldn't have been gifted one. Gouldys either!

My reply was to the post that the white Lakie 'came about' by Gary adding fox terrier blood, thats how I read it and I replied that its been around much longer.

[The Breeder 156]

White Lakies have always been about...

 

If the general knowlage about this line is to be belived and plenty have seen the pics and heard the tales, from Barker through Wilkinson to Middleton, then they were bred out of white dogs... No need to add any, the line already threw 'em and, if old tales are worth listenin to, then many a white dog was bred and 'given' as rabbitin dogs before the war, from other lines too, as they were deemed sub-standard because of colour. Not sayin Gary didn't add Fox terrier, maybe he did, I don't know but if his line of 'showey' Lakies already threw white pups with big boxy heads (as Gary likes) then why add skinny headed fox terriers??

 

Nowt new in white dogs except the boom in the 's..!!

I had the odd white in a litter from time to time so did dave R out of his dog Rip he was bred by Sid Wilkinson and a few over lad at the time who had this line but the pup were weak sickly thinks if thay live I am not having a go at Gary just what a saw but all i can say thay work and work VERY VERY well

 

Personally mate, I don't care if you have a pop at Gary or not, he's always stood himself up to be knocked down over his dogs anyway, it his choice. I've known him a long time and like the old bugger too but i've never been a fan of his dogs.

Gary went into breeding and promoting his whites with a lad from Lancs PE back in the 's. I knew both well enough, seen those early dogs at work and wouldn't have been gifted one. Gouldys either!

My reply was to the post that the white Lakie 'came about' by Gary adding fox terrier blood, thats how I read it and I replied that its been around much longer.

Did your mate PE get a white lakie from Dave ?

[Bosun11 537]

Was never a mate of PE but knew him through a club we were both in at the time. He may have, though I would have thought his whites all came off Garys..?

[the_stig 6,614]

once you`ve got the white lakie no need to add anything else to get white -- white lakie types where around in the late 60s middletons whites did`nt come about by bringing in fox terrier ...he may of added a bit to try and improve something at some stage i dont know ? but i cant see why when he already had the best in the country -- the likes of gould and middleton had the time space patience and inclination to try new things ---

[gonetoearth 5,144]

once you`ve got the white lakie no need to add anything else to get white -- white lakie types where around in the late 60s middletons whites did`nt come about by bringing in fox terrier ...he may of added a bit to try and improve something at some stage i dont know ? but i cant see why when he already had the best in the country -- the likes of gould and middleton had the time space patience and inclination to try new things ---

and the AMMO do it

[Doohan 46]

Didn't jack Russell folks use his dogs to strengthen their lines? My understanding is that he had a lot of bull blood in his terriers.

 

 

To the best of my knowledge Kenterfox Flint & possibly his litter sister (and/or the cross that made them) were represented in the foundation stud book as a KC recognised "Parson". Their dam was off Middleton stuff. 20 years ago this was a big deal for some people involved in the breed within the UK. If you get Sheila Atter's book “Jack Russell Terriers Today”! You can read it for yourselves, she wrote a chapter about it.

[pbrookes 450]

Don't think his Sam was Middleton bred if I remember right. His sire was Rex which was Gary's. There was no sister but a brother that was also white( gravel). I spent a lot of time with ken around the time he was getting into the parson club and he registered flint and maybe a dozen of his sons and daughters ( joker, rip, hassle. Barron). The club knew full well they were out of coloured dogs

[pbrookes 450]

That should say dam not Sam

[Doohan 46]

I found this a few years ago & thought it may throw some light on this thread:

 

The first white Lakeland Seamus say was back in the late 1970's, at his friend, Gary Middleton's home. It had been bred from two black-&-tan Lakeland terriers & was obviously a 'throw-back' to many years before when white terrier blood was introduced to the Lake District. Very possibly this happened in the village of Patterdale, most likely through a white Fox Terrier dog that had mated with Lakeland terriers. White terriers would start to appear in various litters then, even though the parents were black & tan. These white terriers were looked down on because it was inferred that they weren't pure bred & they were usually disposed of. However, Gary started keeping them. They had strong jaws, great heads, lovely conformation & very wiry coats & they were great workers.

 

http://www.countrysp...ers/terrier.htm

[Tam O'Void 297]

I found this a few years ago & thought it may throw some light on this thread:

 

The first white Lakeland Seamus say was back in the late 1970's, at his friend, Gary Middleton's home. It had been bred from two black-&-tan Lakeland terriers & was obviously a 'throw-back' to many years before when white terrier blood was introduced to the Lake District. Very possibly this happened in the village of Patterdale, most likely through a white Fox Terrier dog that had mated with Lakeland terriers. White terriers would start to appear in various litters then, even though the parents were black & tan. These white terriers were looked down on because it was inferred that they weren't pure bred & they were usually disposed of. However, Gary started keeping them. They had strong jaws, great heads, lovely conformation & very wiry coats & they were great workers.

 

http://www.countrysp...ers/terrier.htm

Is this the SOURCE ,of your BILL BRIGHTMORE WHITE ? " STORY " or Did S .I. tell you first hand Edited September 30, 2012 by Tam O'Void

[old school 515]

i met seamus once, he answered a wanted ad i had for a working russell pup and he was sellin an "english russel"... i think he'd tell ye shite was blue tbh!!!

[Doohan 46]

Don't think his Sam was Middleton bred if I remember right. His sire was Rex which was Gary's. There was no sister but a brother that was also white( gravel). I spent a lot of time with ken around the time he was getting into the parson club and he registered flint and maybe a dozen of his sons and daughters ( joker, rip, hassle. Barron). The club knew full well they were out of coloured dogs

 

Thanks for that

[Llion Edward Evans 15]

gary middleton may have typey stock, but he also has very sound working stock, which are game at even the hardest quarry. a mate of mine had one off him once, typey dog but worked well, pitty was it was also very fond of latching onto any other dog in kennel. and it killed another of his lakelands, called turk, bred out of ian church lines. (scotts corner area)

[the_stig 6,614]

Don't think his Sam was Middleton bred if I remember right. His sire was Rex which was Gary's. There was no sister but a brother that was also white( gravel). I spent a lot of time with ken around the time he was getting into the parson club and he registered flint and maybe a dozen of his sons and daughters ( joker, rip, hassle. Barron). The club knew full well they were out of coloured dogs

pbrookes do you remember jill and judy ? .................. they all wanted stuff out of flint the wank gang chapman mousley and hulme all had flint stuff -- and denied it ,,i was on gouldys yard he had all his terriers pegged out in the paddock in the sun all standing to attention sheila atter was in awe and on the verge of orgasm when she saw them she pushed ken for the kc reg a lot of the kc stuff was goin down hill fast and needed the input -- gould/flint stuff went into the kc from the beginnig with the lountwood kennel of gerald shaw lountwood sam won the first official parson show i could fill a book .. chapman in his book had a few things to say about flint and the kc -- yet he had flint stuff on his yard and used it to form his foudation of kc stuff mously put it to his gear but could`nt produce anything anygood hulme despite saying for years and making a big issue about lakie blood not being allowed in the russell club had flint related stuff in the form of rushill alf ....... Edited October 4, 2012 by the_stig

[Dirtworm 18]

I read that jack russel folks used Middleton stuff to strengthen heads and add vigor. Have a half Patterdale Jack cross that looks like a Middleton bred dog. Interesting stuff I read in Sean Frain's book "the Patterdale terrier". Posted this question before and wankers talking from their a hole replied. Nice to read comments from people who actually research...before they comment.