dog genetics

[riohog 5,708]

Are you saying that all a bitch passes on is her mothering skills? The bitch and dog are equally important IMO

no not saying just that that will be one thing it passes on .. but what else. if bitch and /dog equally important,like you say .. what does the bitch ..pass ..and wht does the dog pass on ?

 

Iam no expert on genetics the subject is both fascinating and sometimes confusing to me, I carnt answer the genetics of it and wont attempt to but over the years ive seen a lot more dogs fail from untested bitchs "any greyhound bitch will do" I think not!!!

What answers do you hope to gain from this topic?

dont think there is any one annswer joe,combination of a lot of factors ,regarding what part /eather dog /or bitch playes in th making of good working stock ,and why alot of emphasis is put on the dog playing the major part in breeding good stuff ,but as you say and i agree ,i would rather put a good dog to a good bitch ..rather than a good dog to a sh..t bitch and expect good results suppose you could get a good result but a lot better chance from proven dog to proven bitch

[Ideation 8,216]

Yes you could put a good dog to a sh*t bitch and still end up with a good pup due to the random selection of chromosomes leaning toward the dog (i.e - dog having the dominant chromosomes in the pairing) - with more of the dogs traits being expressed. However this would be random chance and when this offspring was later mated the mothers weaker traits could be expressed more heavily in the second litter. . . . . this is also why longterm breeding plans need to rely on more than one good sire - they require good grandsire/dam.

[riohog 5,708]

Yes you could put a good dog to a sh*t bitch and still end up with a good pup due to the random selection of chromosomes leaning toward the dog (i.e - dog having the dominant chromosomes in the pairing) - with more of the dogs traits being expressed. However this would be random chance and when this offspring was later mated the mothers weaker traits could be expressed more heavily in the second litter. . . . . this is also why longterm breeding plans need to rely on more than one good sire - they require good grandsire/dam.

yeah agree the more historical knowledge the better .

[littlefish 585]

I believe that the work/training put into a pup from young means a great deal. Some of the posts relating to breeding proven worker to worker are really making a lot of sense here.

[mbrydenuk 14]

becuse people dont want to be puting there stuff to shit.and lets face it pall we both no what your getting at.at the end of the day ive got a good reputation for what i breed and i dont like being lied to and putting my dogs to shit.ive stuck with the same breeds for years and and dont go in phases,i stick by what i no got no need to bullshit people like sum.

no no cris its a genuine thread with no specifics in mind ,, i will give you an example ... i know of 2 highly respected breeders of salukis .. there was a mating ,, of dogs between them ,,both very fast dogs and goog temperement .. the pups were born ..the owner of the bitch ..ket 2 pups a male and a female .. they ar now 15 months or so .. both very fast the male pup is the fastest ,, but you can hardly get close to these 2 they are extreamly nervious the dog pup being the worst ..the rest of the litter is ok no nerviouse ness and probebly not so qiick .. were did this nervious trate come from /// the dog /or the bitch nothing to do with upbringing as the man has kept dogs for 30/40 years so no illtratment ita a fault but wich side past it on?

Did the rest of the pups spend any more or less time with the dam than the two nervious pups.

[riohog 5,708]

becuse people dont want to be puting there stuff to shit.and lets face it pall we both no what your getting at.at the end of the day ive got a good reputation for what i breed and i dont like being lied to and putting my dogs to shit.ive stuck with the same breeds for years and and dont go in phases,i stick by what i no got no need to bullshit people like sum.

no no cris its a genuine thread with no specifics in mind ,, i will give you an example ... i know of 2 highly respected breeders of salukis .. there was a mating ,, of dogs between them ,,both very fast dogs and goog temperement .. the pups were born ..the owner of the bitch ..ket 2 pups a male and a female .. they ar now 15 months or so .. both very fast the male pup is the fastest ,, but you can hardly get close to these 2 they are extreamly nervious the dog pup being the worst ..the rest of the litter is ok no nerviouse ness and probebly not so qiick .. were did this nervious trate come from /// the dog /or the bitch nothing to do with upbringing as the man has kept dogs for 30/40 years so no illtratment ita a fault but wich side past it on?

Did the rest of the pups spend any more or less time with the dam than the two nervious pups.

not to my knowlege ,but couldnt be sure about that.seems to be more pronounced with men rather than woman .if i just make eye contact with it its off wont come near me ..but the other one the bitch will come to me but still nervy ....go to woman no problem

[Casso 1,261]

becuse people dont want to be puting there stuff to shit.and lets face it pall we both no what your getting at.at the end of the day ive got a good reputation for what i breed and i dont like being lied to and putting my dogs to shit.ive stuck with the same breeds for years and and dont go in phases,i stick by what i no got no need to bullshit people like sum.

no no cris its a genuine thread with no specifics in mind ,, i will give you an example ... i know of 2 highly respected breeders of salukis .. there was a mating ,, of dogs between them ,,both very fast dogs and goog temperement .. the pups were born ..the owner of the bitch ..ket 2 pups a male and a female .. they ar now 15 months or so .. both very fast the male pup is the fastest ,, but you can hardly get close to these 2 they are extreamly nervious the dog pup being the worst ..the rest of the litter is ok no nerviouse ness and probebly not so qiick .. were did this nervious trate come from /// the dog /or the bitch nothing to do with upbringing as the man has kept dogs for 30/40 years so no illtratment ita a fault but wich side past it on?

Did the rest of the pups spend any more or less time with the dam than the two nervious pups.

not to my knowlege ,but couldnt be sure about that.seems to be more pronounced with men rather than woman .if i just make eye contact with it its off wont come near me ..but the other one the bitch will come to me but still nervy ....go to woman no problem

 

Whats the bitch like,, if shes level headed, the problem is man made,,

[riohog 5,708]

becuse people dont want to be puting there stuff to shit.and lets face it pall we both no what your getting at.at the end of the day ive got a good reputation for what i breed and i dont like being lied to and putting my dogs to shit.ive stuck with the same breeds for years and and dont go in phases,i stick by what i no got no need to bullshit people like sum.

no no cris its a genuine thread with no specifics in mind ,, i will give you an example ... i know of 2 highly respected breeders of salukis .. there was a mating ,, of dogs between them ,,both very fast dogs and goog temperement .. the pups were born ..the owner of the bitch ..ket 2 pups a male and a female .. they ar now 15 months or so .. both very fast the male pup is the fastest ,, but you can hardly get close to these 2 they are extreamly nervious the dog pup being the worst ..the rest of the litter is ok no nerviouse ness and probebly not so qiick .. were did this nervious trate come from /// the dog /or the bitch nothing to do with upbringing as the man has kept dogs for 30/40 years so no illtratment ita a fault but wich side past it on?

Did the rest of the pups spend any more or less time with the dam than the two nervious pups.

not to my knowlege ,but couldnt be sure about that.seems to be more pronounced with men rather than woman .if i just make eye contact with it its off wont come near me ..but the other one the bitch will come to me but still nervy ....go to woman no problem

 

Whats the bitch like,, if shes level headed, the problem is man made,,

not eally she is abit skitty nervy.another 4 full grown dogs on the property ,,no problems atall with them.these 2 were bred using someone elses stud dog to one of his bitches ,who is fine in every way

[Casso 1,261]

becuse people dont want to be puting there stuff to shit.and lets face it pall we both no what your getting at.at the end of the day ive got a good reputation for what i breed and i dont like being lied to and putting my dogs to shit.ive stuck with the same breeds for years and and dont go in phases,i stick by what i no got no need to bullshit people like sum.

no no cris its a genuine thread with no specifics in mind ,, i will give you an example ... i know of 2 highly respected breeders of salukis .. there was a mating ,, of dogs between them ,,both very fast dogs and goog temperement .. the pups were born ..the owner of the bitch ..ket 2 pups a male and a female .. they ar now 15 months or so .. both very fast the male pup is the fastest ,, but you can hardly get close to these 2 they are extreamly nervious the dog pup being the worst ..the rest of the litter is ok no nerviouse ness and probebly not so qiick .. were did this nervious trate come from /// the dog /or the bitch nothing to do with upbringing as the man has kept dogs for 30/40 years so no illtratment ita a fault but wich side past it on?

Did the rest of the pups spend any more or less time with the dam than the two nervious pups.

not to my knowlege ,but couldnt be sure about that.seems to be more pronounced with men rather than woman .if i just make eye contact with it its off wont come near me ..but the other one the bitch will come to me but still nervy ....go to woman no problem

 

Whats the bitch like,, if shes level headed, the problem is man made,,

not eally she is abit skitty nervy.another 4 full grown dogs on the property ,,no problems atall with them.these 2 were bred using someone elses stud dog to one of his bitches ,who is fine in every way

 

i mean the dam the two pups are out of, if she is ok , its down to the envoirment they,re reared in, 4 mature dogs with dominant personalities, could also effect them and cause them to draw into each other for comfort and mistrust outside influences ,man or dog,,but i think its a man made prob,,

[Wild_and_Irish 11]

To be honest mate its been said - both parents have a pair of chromosomes for everything - sex, color, size etc etc etc and when they are mated they pass on ONE CHROMOSOME EACH to their offspring - but this is totally at random. The physical expression of these pairings is down to recessive/dominant chromosomes. Line breeding is used to pair dog/bitch that carry similar chromosomes with similar dominant/recessive expressions and so are more likely to pass on a more uniform and controllable mix of genetics to their offspring. Does that make any sense? Due to this when breeding any animal you should always pair best to best. . . . . it also throws some question on pairing two animals together that are markedly different in order to achieve a complimentary mating.

 

atb

 

Jai.

You're getting things abit mixed up there, every dog has 40 something chromosomes with 20 somethin pairs all identical, half of them (all different) get passed on into the young. The alleles are the wee lines you see going across in a diagram of a chromosome, those are the genes that are reccessive/dominant, theres hundreds of them. I agree with what you've said though

[Trigger 26]

good thread

[riohog 5,708]

becuse people dont want to be puting there stuff to shit.and lets face it pall we both no what your getting at.at the end of the day ive got a good reputation for what i breed and i dont like being lied to and putting my dogs to shit.ive stuck with the same breeds for years and and dont go in phases,i stick by what i no got no need to bullshit people like sum.

no no cris its a genuine thread with no specifics in mind ,, i will give you an example ... i know of 2 highly respected breeders of salukis .. there was a mating ,, of dogs between them ,,both very fast dogs and goog temperement .. the pups were born ..the owner of the bitch ..ket 2 pups a male and a female .. they ar now 15 months or so .. both very fast the male pup is the fastest ,, but you can hardly get close to these 2 they are extreamly nervious the dog pup being the worst ..the rest of the litter is ok no nerviouse ness and probebly not so qiick .. were did this nervious trate come from /// the dog /or the bitch nothing to do with upbringing as the man has kept dogs for 30/40 years so no illtratment ita a fault but wich side past it on?

Did the rest of the pups spend any more or less time with the dam than the two nervious pups.

not to my knowlege ,but couldnt be sure about that.seems to be more pronounced with men rather than woman .if i just make eye contact with it its off wont come near me ..but the other one the bitch will come to me but still nervy ....go to woman no problem

 

Whats the bitch like,, if shes level headed, the problem is man made,,

not eally she is abit skitty nervy.another 4 full grown dogs on the property ,,no problems atall with them.these 2 were bred using someone elses stud dog to one of his bitches ,who is fine in every way

 

i mean the dam the two pups are out of, if she is ok , its down to the envoirment they,re reared in, 4 mature dogs with dominant personalities, could also effect them and cause them to draw into each other for comfort and mistrust outside influences ,man or dog,,but i think its a man made prob,,

just to add i forgot to sat .. the 2 nevious dogs . the 4 mature dogs that live with them .. one is a bitch ..who is there mother!!so they have been in contact with her since birth ..think they are 14/18 months old now!!

[Guest little lurcher]

a site which gives a basic insight and understanding into genetics as well as follow on links to further your delve into a subject as fantastic and diverse as this

 

http://serc.carleton.edu/sp/merlot/biology/interactive/examples/14297.html

 

further into the theory

 

http://www.dnaftb.org/dnaftb/5/concept/index.html

 

please then take the next links from the list on right side of the page in the links , there is an extensive list of varients on dna and education

[riohog 5,708]

a site which gives a basic insight and understanding into genetics as well as follow on links to further your delve into a subject as fantastic and diverse as this

 

http://serc.carleton.edu/sp/merlot/biology/interactive/examples/14297.html

thanks tan

[Guest little lurcher]

the links are very extensive and easy to understand , makes good reading imo