dog genetics

[riohog 5,721]

I would say if it is only the 2 kept by one person out of the litter that are nervous then it definitely down to upbringing and not breeding/genetics as if it was genetic most of the pups would probably show an inherited trait to nervousness and not just the 2 kept by one person, JMHO

i dont believe that .. ok the nerviousness is really apparent with strangers ,both pups are well socialised and live comfortably and interact fine with other dogs ,, so i believe it is something genetic forgot to say... the nerveiousness is more pronounced with men rather than women !

 

All the facts you've stated, suggest a lack of socialization.

yes mate the evidence does point to that ..but it has never happend before with other dogs he keeps /kept and other breedings so that what makes both me /him and others think it is genetic ..

[GET THEM OUT (.)(.) 39]

good thread but my heads hurting

[riohog 5,721]

good thread but my heads hurting

i know so is mine cos i cant get the answers im serching for

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good thread but my heads hurting

i know so is mine cos i cant get the answers im serching for

 

 

just keep trying surely it will come from somebody on here,

[romany52 313]

I would say if it is only the 2 kept by one person out of the litter that are nervous then it definitely down to upbringing and not breeding/genetics as if it was genetic most of the pups would probably show an inherited trait to nervousness and not just the 2 kept by one person, JMHO

i dont believe that .. ok the nerviousness is really apparent with strangers ,both pups are well socialised and live comfortably and interact fine with other dogs ,, so i believe it is something genetic forgot to say... the nerveiousness is more pronounced with men rather than women !

 

All the facts you've stated, suggest a lack of socialization.

yes mate the evidence does point to that ..but it has never happend before with other dogs he keeps /kept and other breedings so that what makes both me /him and others think it is genetic ..

 

 

You can't rule out the fact it could be genetic but the odds are stacked against him having the only two. It is possible they all needed more socializing than usual and the others got it, but your mates only got the same as what his other dogs normally get. I would find out just how the others were brought up to see if there's much difference.

[riohog 5,721]

I would say if it is only the 2 kept by one person out of the litter that are nervous then it definitely down to upbringing and not breeding/genetics as if it was genetic most of the pups would probably show an inherited trait to nervousness and not just the 2 kept by one person, JMHO

i dont believe that .. ok the nerviousness is really apparent with strangers ,both pups are well socialised and live comfortably and interact fine with other dogs ,, so i believe it is something genetic forgot to say... the nerveiousness is more pronounced with men rather than women !

 

All the facts you've stated, suggest a lack of socialization.

yes mate the evidence does point to that ..but it has never happend before with other dogs he keeps /kept and other breedings so that what makes both me /him and others think it is genetic ..

 

 

You can't rule out the fact it could be genetic but the odds are stacked against him having the only two. It is possible they all needed more socializing than usual and the others got it, but your mates only got the same as what his other dogs normally get. I would find out just how the others were brought up to see if there's much difference.

yeah in that case witch was just an example would really have to look into all the pups from that litter and compaire just how many wer nervious if any others ,,and look into the breeding of both parents ..ok...but the origional question was .. how much is passed on by the dame ..geneticly ..and how much by the sire coulor ,size speed .temperement ect

[romany52 313]

I would say if it is only the 2 kept by one person out of the litter that are nervous then it definitely down to upbringing and not breeding/genetics as if it was genetic most of the pups would probably show an inherited trait to nervousness and not just the 2 kept by one person, JMHO

i dont believe that .. ok the nerviousness is really apparent with strangers ,both pups are well socialised and live comfortably and interact fine with other dogs ,, so i believe it is something genetic forgot to say... the nerveiousness is more pronounced with men rather than women !

 

All the facts you've stated, suggest a lack of socialization.

yes mate the evidence does point to that ..but it has never happend before with other dogs he keeps /kept and other breedings so that what makes both me /him and others think it is genetic ..

 

 

You can't rule out the fact it could be genetic but the odds are stacked against him having the only two. It is possible they all needed more socializing than usual and the others got it, but your mates only got the same as what his other dogs normally get. I would find out just how the others were brought up to see if there's much difference.

yeah in that case witch was just an example would really have to look into all the pups from that litter and compaire just how many wer nervious if any others ,,and look into the breeding of both parents ..ok...but the origional question was .. how much is passed on by the dame ..geneticly ..and how much by the sire coulor ,size speed .temperement ect

 

Genetically, exactly 50/50, but it may not seem like that , if for instance the bitch passes a black gene to a pup and the dog passes a white gene, assuming black is dominant, the pup will be black but it will still carry the white gene from the dog. As you can see it all depends which genes are dominant, it's all very random .

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complicated ..job and im still not really sure about all this ...

 

is it 50/50 in a mating ..is the sire predominant geneticly ? or is it the bitch ?

 

 

what is the sire responsable for in the breeding ? speed .hight ,coulor or which part does the bitch play in all this ..as not all litters are uniform in size shape /or temperement

 

 

or is line /close breeding the only way to get these answersto garantee size ,shape speed temperement ,coulor ect .............

good question. i like first cross dogs alsation/greys ive seen pups when the sire is the grey and pups when the sire is the alsation. in my eyes there is a differnce in the quality of the adult dog, the pups who have the greyhound as the sire seem to be better dogs.

i think the mother gives the offspring the mental attitude and also gives the shape where as the dog contributes speed and size. i always chose a dog out of the litter as they tend to follow the father more for hieght.

[riohog 5,721]

complicated ..job and im still not really sure about all this ...

 

is it 50/50 in a mating ..is the sire predominant geneticly ? or is it the bitch ?

 

 

what is the sire responsable for in the breeding ? speed .hight ,coulor or which part does the bitch play in all this ..as not all litters are uniform in size shape /or temperement

 

 

or is line /close breeding the only way to get these answersto garantee size ,shape speed temperement ,coulor ect .............

good question. i like first cross dogs alsation/greys ive seen pups when the sire is the grey and pups when the sire is the alsation. in my eyes there is a differnce in the quality of the adult dog, the pups who have the greyhound as the sire seem to be better dogs.

i think the mother gives the offspring the mental attitude and also gives the shape where as the dog contributes speed and size. i always chose a dog out of the litter as they tend to follow the father more for hieght.

think id probebly go along with that like has been said before it should be 50 /50 but it dosent seem to work that way as in some litters some pups tend to through toards the dam /type shape size , and others my through toards the sire

[riohog 5,721]

i would say the dog is more prominent in the breeding that is why we all look to use a top class stud dog and all round good worker . i am not saying that the bitch does not matter as she does.but we tend to look at the stud as been the main stay. like when you breed a first cross most will use beddy, collie, deerhound dog etc over say maybe over greyhoud bitch,. most deffinet bull - dog over whatever bitch for a bit of bottle. what each gives is very hard to determin you would have to possibly own both parents and now exactly their ways and see what passes on to the pups

yeah i did mention earlier in th thread if its 50/50 why are the stud /sire more sought after

 

seems that way in all /most amimals perseaved that the male is more inportant ,and the stud,s demand the high fees for mating!!

[riohog 5,721]

i would say the dog is more prominent in the breeding that is why we all look to use a top class stud dog and all round good worker . i am not saying that the bitch does not matter as she does.but we tend to look at the stud as been the main stay. like when you breed a first cross most will use beddy, collie, deerhound dog etc over say maybe over greyhoud bitch,. most deffinet bull - dog over whatever bitch for a bit of bottle. what each gives is very hard to determin you would have to possibly own both parents and now exactly their ways and see what passes on to the pups

yeah i did mention earlier in th thread if its 50/50 why are the stud /sire more sought after

 

seems that way in all /most amimals perseaved that the male is more inportant ,and the stud,s demand the high fees for mating!!

without been slated on here i would say you could but a good stud/sire over a not such a good damm and have some top pups. example use a crap greyhound bitch the likes that they give away providing you get the best stud you can you will end up with good pups- true been proofed countless times

ok but would it work the other way round very good bitch ..average dog!!

[riohog 5,721]

i would say the dog is more prominent in the breeding that is why we all look to use a top class stud dog and all round good worker . i am not saying that the bitch does not matter as she does.but we tend to look at the stud as been the main stay. like when you breed a first cross most will use beddy, collie, deerhound dog etc over say maybe over greyhoud bitch,. most deffinet bull - dog over whatever bitch for a bit of bottle. what each gives is very hard to determin you would have to possibly own both parents and now exactly their ways and see what passes on to the pups

yeah i did mention earlier in th thread if its 50/50 why are the stud /sire more sought after

 

seems that way in all /most amimals perseaved that the male is more inportant ,and the stud,s demand the high fees for mating!!

without been slated on here i would say you could but a good stud/sire over a not such a good damm and have some top pups. example use a crap greyhound bitch the likes that they give away providing you get the best stud you can you will end up with good pups- true been proofed countless times

ok but would it work the other way round very good bitch ..average dog!! not sure i have always used top stud dogs with proven work behind them so cant really answer this. a good topic riohog, any special reason why you posted it are you going to breed maybe

no specific reason just interested .. in exactly what inhereted traits are passed by which sex male or female wheather good /or bad the more i thought about it the more i wasnt really sure

[Guest little lurcher]

good topic , a question id like to know is why and if genetics are to be totally believed , no one can dispute the traits sire dam and grandparents stamp on ANYTHING but how can for example , a whippet grey 1st cross litter produce such diversity in weights size and stature ??????????????? whippet grey on here may know the answer to that ?

 

breeding is a minefield , look at humans and other mammal species to see not always what we believe to be true and would work , doesnt ? look at wastage in excellent bred litter after in greys , lurchers and in fact any dog , a very interesting and diverse subject

[Wild_and_Irish 11]

I think the reason you have highly prized stud dogs that throw good pups is because they are homozygous (both alleles are the same one) with dominant alleles for most of the traites they carry which means you get basically no litter wastage because all the pups throw the same, the bitches genes are still half the dog but because they aren't dominant they don't show, but the pups could still pass on the recessive gene. But if you have a dog which is hetrozygous (the 2 alleles are different, 1 recessive, 1 dominant) there is a 1 in 4 chance the gene which doesn't show in the damn/sire gets passed on, this is where you get good dogs that throw shit litters. This sounds more complicated than it is, if I can get up some diagrams you will understand it easier.

Edited May 22, 2010 by Wild_and_Irish

[riohog 5,721]

good topic , a question id like to know is why and if genetics are to be totally believed , no one can dispute the traits sire dam and grandparents stamp on ANYTHING but how can for example , a whippet grey 1st cross litter produce such diversity in weights size and stature ??????????????? whippet grey on here may know the answer to that ?

 

breeding is a minefield , look at humans and other mammal species to see not always what we believe to be true and would work , doesnt ? look at wastage in excellent bred litter after in greys , lurchers and in fact any dog , a very interesting and diverse subject

complicated job tan ,you cant predict the unpredictable !!!!