bushing dog

[Guest DogFaceKillah]

big dogs cant do cover, i have a half x bull grey bitch that will smash through thedarkest cover, better than any terrier, if the drive to find is there the dog will get into it, nothing to do with size, i quite often get through thick cover myself to get to my bitch an see what she has collerd, size does not matter, DRIVE DOES!

[Guest fence_hopper]

it dont get much better than a beagle x russel work like there life depends on it

 

also got to agree with poacher3161 we used to take a springer out with urs when we whee kids he was used to hunt, but not buy urs used to smash through cover, also a mate had one that would kill charlie

Edited May 21, 2010 by fence_hopper

[poacherman 353]

I bush most days and have always worked the cover a lot(40yrs) and you need a small dog to get in the brambles and thick cover not a beddy/whippet,do you understand the concept of working thick cover and pushing the quarry towards a waiting lurcher?a terrier or small dog with a good nose is required for cover work,it has to fit through small runs under and through thick cover,big dogs can't do this,atb,wirralman

 

exactly even some spaniels are too big and cant face some thick cover, so I have seen

rubbish.if the gap in cover isnt big enough my spaniel will make it bigger just by charging through it.if the spaniel dont wanna go in its cos thiers feck all in there.a good working springer will tackle any cover.unstopable.they come out bleedin from thorns and dive straight back in.show me a better bushin dog and ill take me hat of to ya.dont fancy your chances though.

agree with you mate, my spaniel works all day in brambles and nettles, if the brambles are tight he will just crash through them. had to keep him in for a few weeks because his tail was cut badly from the brambles. his nose and tail gets it all the time. there the best dogs for cover work hands down

 

atb poacherman

[runforyourlife 361]

I bush most days and have always worked the cover a lot(40yrs) and you need a small dog to get in the brambles and thick cover not a beddy/whippet,do you understand the concept of working thick cover and pushing the quarry towards a waiting lurcher?a terrier or small dog with a good nose is required for cover work,it has to fit through small runs under and through thick cover,big dogs can't do this,atb,wirralman

 

exactly even some spaniels are too big and cant face some thick cover, so I have seen

rubbish.if the gap in cover isnt big enough my spaniel will make it bigger just by charging through it.if the spaniel dont wanna go in its cos thiers feck all in there.a good working springer will tackle any cover.unstopable.they come out bleedin from thorns and dive straight back in.show me a better bushin dog and ill take me hat of to ya.dont fancy your chances though.

 

 

totally agree mate, and not just spaniels. thats why i did the expression under his post...

[owendbowendb 132]

good thread this lads. different opinions on subject aswell. i wanted a bushing dog to work with my two lurchers and in the end got my myself a 3/4 beagle 1/4 russel pup 2 weeks ago. has anyone worked one of these ? and do they differ much from a straight first cross ?

 

[poacher3161 1,766]

I have to admit to likeing spaniels due to the fact i can controle them better than terriers plus mine will not atempt to take rabbits of the lurchers they have caught wich would imho be a tall order to ask of a terrier.atb dell

[wuyang 513]

I have often wondered about the different types of bushing dogs. I work the two russels below for bushing. The very small one is ace, but has on 3 occasions gone down a hole for while . The other one is good, but prefers to chase rather than bush.....but thats more my fault when i introduced her to bushing. A good bushing terrier in my opinion size wise is a lot better suited to pushing the rabbits out, they can really shift through the cover following the rabbit runs. I often consider a spaniel for in the future, but i still have my doubts. I do believe for bushing the types of tight bramble that i work a good terrier would be much better than suited than a spaniel. If the cover was more loose woodland bramble i would most definately go for the spaniel. I must agree though that size dosn't stop a larger dog, just slow it down. The best bushing dog i had was a small border collie bitch...she was amazing, not as quick through the cover as the jacks, but she was very thorough and new her craft well. I thought a few people use plummer terriers, but these seem to be pricey. As long as its from working stock and you introduce it right you should have no problem. I would personally stay away from really hardcore terriers. Atb

 

 

 

 

[matmorgan 49]

seen a couple of springer x patterdale dogs round my way.real smart looking animal.bet they can do the thick stuff.

[matmorgan 49]

I have to admit to likeing spaniels due to the fact i can controle them better than terriers plus mine will not atempt to take rabbits of the lurchers they have caught wich would imho be a tall order to ask of a terrier.atb dell

tall order indeed.lol.dont stop the little buggers tryin though.recipe for a vets bill imho

[romany52 313]

Spaniels every time , controllable, excellent in cover and don't spend half the day with their heads stuck down a rabbit hole. It's a no brainer.

[matmorgan 49]

Spaniels every time , controllable, excellent in cover and don't spend half the day with their heads stuck down a rabbit hole. It's a no brainer.

[Ideation 8,216]

I've seen some excellent bushing terriers but i think i would still pick a springer (or if you want something smaller a cocker). Both can do the job well but i think the springer has the capability to reach a higher level of obediance and training than many terriers. . . and also they tend to be a little bit more steady. Ideally a good spaniel can be trained to never chase but will find every bit of game hiding and put it up, and then keep out of the way while it is dealt with (gun, lurcher, hawk etc). I also tend to find that they can be more systematic with the way they work cover and as for being too big or some cover being too tough - if your of this opinion then you have never seen a good spaniel work. . . . . no matter what you have been told. However to achieve an excellent working standard a spaniel probably needs more training than a terrier. . . .

 

This is just my opinion, and at the end of the day i would take the best dog regardless of breed or type.

 

atb

 

Jai.

[snap 15]

i have had some excellent bushing terriers that were as controlable as a lot of spaniels ive seen over the years.

the problem with terriers is your limited to were you can hunt because of them going to ground thats the reason i would have to say and have got a spaniel.

If you do go for a spaniel try and get yourself a small type

[romany52 313]

I've been in this game for 50yrs and I've yet to see any terrier stop to the whistle or drop to flush, something fairly easy to achieve with a spaniel.

[busher 145]

have a look at nick valentines rabbiting pack'' he runs about 20 pluss dogs when hes out'hunting..griffon vandeens.. beagle crosses.. teckel crosses..he even runs full p/b with the pack.. have a look how many spaniels' he runs with them' springer or cocker''' none' am not knocking spaniels here there good dogs' with out a doubt iv got people that come out with the pack'ov small hound crosses me n my mate run with the lurchers.. thave brought there spaniels n thay can graft deffo' but thay couldnt live with the work rate these bushing dogs get through' iv seen it with my own eyes many times'' n to say thay could hunt a charlie on a line' for may be 15/20 mins till its found'.. like these hounds can'' iv not seen one do it yet.. wev got 3 spaniel x beagle x here there about 11mth.. thats for anouther post though..ATB.B