Garypco 2 Posted November 12, 2006 Report Share Posted November 12, 2006 At the end of the day it dont matter who has or says what nothing and i mean nothing on this earth!!! will beat a bull cross at catching and killing foxes!! a bull is the ultimate gladiator it can not be beat by anyother dog pound for pound so putting this blood into a lurcher is the best route to take,most dogs will catch a few foxes but they wont stick day in day out!! my m8ts old dog frankie once took 14 january foxes in the space of a week,to say he was a bit sore was an understatment there is NO saluki or greyhoud ar deerhound or bedlington or anything that can do what this cross does im fed up with lads who aint got a clue thinkinj they know everything there is to know some of the best lurchers have come out of wales,most probably all foxing dogs are now bull bred dogs!!! now then that is a bold claim. garypco i agree that most bull crosses are ideal for killing foxes but so they should be f**k me most of them are built like tanks and totally overmatch there quarry whats the average weight of a bull/greyhound. very few bulls fight to the death so i m o. a well bred patt pound for pound is harder as it will give its life to get the job done. i have a wheaten x and had a bull x many years ago i rate my wheaten x higher the wheatens are good dogs,cant deny that but on a percentage,ratio ul get more decent dogs from the bull bred stuff,some of the old wheaten stuff is shit hot most now has been diluted by bull blood,not all bull crosses are massive my bitch is only 23" not huge,still outweighin a fox but then again the wheaten crosses aint small either!!! if you had 10 wheatens and 10 bull x's as first season dogs just for foxin then you have to admit the ratio on dogs that made it as proven workers would be higher on the bull side!!! my 23" bull bred bitch!!! Quote Link to post
Brummy 9 Posted November 12, 2006 Report Share Posted November 12, 2006 Grubbygrafter how old is that Wheaten cross dog? Quote Link to post
Guest baldie Posted November 12, 2006 Report Share Posted November 12, 2006 I,m not going to comment on the best x, but i will say, whichever pack of hounds you lads follow, you want to try a proper one.There are very few fell hounds that will not get in there and kill single handed, they are bred to hunt and kill by themselves, despite being run as a pack, and i,ll tell you what, a fully grown fell doghound will kill a fox as fast as any lurcher ever bred, its got twice the jaw power, and twice the neck muscle. Quote Link to post
lucky 578 Posted November 13, 2006 Report Share Posted November 13, 2006 I,m not going to comment on the best x, but i will say, whichever pack of hounds you lads follow, you want to try a proper one.There are very few fell hounds that will not get in there and kill single handed, they are bred to hunt and kill by themselves, despite being run as a pack, and i,ll tell you what, a fully grown fell doghound will kill a fox as fast as any lurcher ever bred, its got twice the jaw power, and twice the neck muscle. maybe so baldie but how many are tried regular on there own. a pure bull would probably be a better alternative if killing stuff quick was all that was needed, the trouble is they have to catch the quarry first and then kill it, so this would eliminate both types would'nt it ?. i dont really have personal favourites, but i have had more success with bull crosses. i like a dog that i can take out tonight and kill 3 or 4 foxes and then take it back out the following day and kill the same amount, there the type of dogs i keep, the 1 a week dogs are of no use to me Quote Link to post
Guest baldie Posted November 13, 2006 Report Share Posted November 13, 2006 All very true mate, and you do have a point about being tried on their own, which doesnt often happen i suppose.A mate of mine has , or had a fell hound x greyhound, and that was a corker, hunted like a hound with the stamina and voice, but a damn sight quicker.I think i would also agree, that the bull cross of whatever dilution, is the dog for a "busy" man, as the ones i,ve known have always been "open for buisness" despite last nights injuries.The fella,s i know keep them, and also wheaten crosses, and these guys are doing plenty, like yourself. Quote Link to post
BITCH 135 Posted November 13, 2006 Report Share Posted November 13, 2006 All very true mate, and you do have a point about being tried on their own, which doesnt often happen i suppose.A mate of mine has , or had a fell hound x greyhound, and that was a corker, hunted like a hound with the stamina and voice, but a damn sight quicker.I think i would also agree, that the bull cross of whatever dilution, is the dog for a "busy" man, as the ones i,ve known have always been "open for buisness" despite last nights injuries.The fella,s i know keep them, and also wheaten crosses, and these guys are doing plenty, like yourself. not picking a fight or knocking the dog, but the voice of a hound in a lurcher dosent sound too clever to me Quote Link to post
Guest baldie Posted November 13, 2006 Report Share Posted November 13, 2006 I understand your point buddy, but it wasnt bred for the normal lurcher purposes of quiet hunting.It was bred to be a f*****g fast foxhound, at its most usefull for hunting up, putting off, and buckling charlie, in semi urban areas, where my mate has most of his permission.The hound needed to be able to get to terms extremely quickly after putting one off, and it did it admirably.He also ran it on with a couple of ordinary hounds, and also other lurchers, as a bit of a bobbery pack, and very effectively too. Yours has to be the best avatar on the net. Quote Link to post
Guest Top Chalker Posted November 13, 2006 Report Share Posted November 13, 2006 I THINK A GOOD WHIPPET IS AS GOOD AS OUT FOR FOXES........ Quote Link to post
Cleanspade 3,322 Posted November 13, 2006 Report Share Posted November 13, 2006 I THINK A GOOD WHIPPET IS AS GOOD AS OUT FOR FOXES........ :11: Quote Link to post
Guest grubygrafter Posted November 13, 2006 Report Share Posted November 13, 2006 i only have the experience of my own dogs garypco. so i will have to take your word for it but i would stick by my opinion that not all the best fox dogs are bull bred. brummy he is coming on for two Quote Link to post
Garypco 2 Posted November 13, 2006 Report Share Posted November 13, 2006 I THINK A GOOD WHIPPET IS AS GOOD AS OUT FOR FOXES........ yes well there we go!!! i only have the experience of my own dogs garypco. so i will have to take your word for it but i would stick by my opinion that not all the best fox dogs are bull bred. brummy he is coming on for two if there was better id have them,same as the other lads that work their dogs to their full potentia,i mean not 30 foxes a year i mean twice three times that,remember theres hobby hunters and theres lads out there doing it flat out!!!l Quote Link to post
mattyg 1,862 Posted November 14, 2006 Report Share Posted November 14, 2006 wheaton x...... well i would say that wouldnt i as ive got 1! only 6 months old so i'll shut up and let you know next season :11: Quote Link to post
Guest tumbler Posted August 24, 2007 Report Share Posted August 24, 2007 i would av to say a bull grey 3/4 cross with a wheaton grey 3/4 cross to heavy for anyin like bunnies or hares though Quote Link to post
jacob 28 Posted August 24, 2007 Report Share Posted August 24, 2007 minshaw x hancock x tumbler poodle Quote Link to post
swandog1 50 Posted August 24, 2007 Report Share Posted August 24, 2007 THE BULLX DOES IT FOR ME NEVER GIVES UP Quote Link to post
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