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[scothunter 12,609]

I for one have no problem sacrificing some of my rights if it will protect my kids and the vast maj of normal people.i dont even think it is an issue of my rights.its plain old simple common sense.DO you honestly sincerley want automatic pistols and assualt weapons in the hands of the general public.no matter how many f*****g tests and psychological profile you go through.come on were always complaining aboput yob culture in one way or another.yea great idea lets f*****g make guns readily available for them.the flip side is we arm the everday bobby then before you know it we are going down the same road as america.come on mate thats just madness.

 

oh and as much as i disliked the actions of the IRA ill say this they were proffesional and a force to be reckoned with.they were fighting for thier rights as they so it.and the british army knew they werent a bunch of idiots they were very organised.however the ira heirarchy knew it was a lost cause with the violence and the people of ireland were sick of the killings.they have achieved more in the last few years by ditching the bullet in favour of the ballot.so yes blan is correct if you dont like something change it by showing it in a vote.and what scenario do you imagine we would take up arms against the goverment?

Edited May 16, 2010 by scothunter

[danw 1,748]

THE ISSUE FOR ME IS NOT ABOUT GUNS BUT ABOUT ALL OF OUR RIGHTS AND FREEDOMS BEEN REMOVED BY OUR DICTATORIAL GOVERNMENT!!!

 

There is none so blind as those that won't see.

 

The law does not apply to the lawless they already have the type of guns you mention.

 

 

Where you all happy when the majority voted for a ban on hunting then?

Have we all forgotten how when the public rose up and demonstrated against the poll tax how we won?

 

 

Scothunter look back through history there are many instances of the public taking up arms against the government in fact you talk of one. The anti-treaty IRA fought a civil war with their former comrades in 1922-23, with the intention of creating a fully independent all-Ireland republic. Having lost the civil war, this group remained in existence, with the intention of overthrowing both the Irish Free State and Northern Ireland and achieving the Irish Republic proclaimed in 1916.

[scothunter 12,609]

THE ISSUE FOR ME IS NOT ABOUT GUNS BUT ABOUT ALL OF OUR RIGHTS AND FREEDOMS BEEN REMOVED BY OUR DICTATORIAL GOVERNMENT!!!

 

There is none so blind as those that won't see.

 

The law does not apply to the lawless they already have the type of guns you mention.

 

 

Where you all happy when the majority voted for a ban on hunting then?

Have we all forgotten how when the public rose up and demonstrated against the poll tax how we won?

 

 

Scothunter look back through history there are many instances of the public taking up arms against the government in fact you talk of one. The anti-treaty IRA fought a civil war with their former comrades in 1922-23, with the intention of creating a fully independent all-Ireland republic. Having lost the civil war, this group remained in existence, with the intention of overthrowing both the Irish Free State and Northern Ireland and achieving the Irish Republic proclaimed in 1916.

 

"There is none so blind as those that won't see".(you mean as blind as the kids in dunblane)

 

as for the poll tax you reckon instead of the rioting all over the citys of england when it was introduced,we should have taken up arms against the goverment?you should move to america mate you will fit in great there.i dont see many gangsters walking into schools or resturants or malls randomly shooting ppl with the guns.yes guns are out there but we need to get them off the streets not make more readily available.as i said f**k your civil rights if it stops another dunblane or hungerford.yours and my rights mean jack shit when it comes to the protection of the public.as for the hunting ban no i wasnt very happy but tbh it didnt affect me all that much.and most lads dont pay any attention to it.

[danw 1,748]

THE ISSUE FOR ME IS NOT ABOUT GUNS BUT ABOUT ALL OF OUR RIGHTS AND FREEDOMS BEEN REMOVED BY OUR DICTATORIAL GOVERNMENT!!!

 

There is none so blind as those that won't see.

 

The law does not apply to the lawless they already have the type of guns you mention.

 

 

Where you all happy when the majority voted for a ban on hunting then?

Have we all forgotten how when the public rose up and demonstrated against the poll tax how we won?

 

 

Scothunter look back through history there are many instances of the public taking up arms against the government in fact you talk of one. The anti-treaty IRA fought a civil war with their former comrades in 1922-23, with the intention of creating a fully independent all-Ireland republic. Having lost the civil war, this group remained in existence, with the intention of overthrowing both the Irish Free State and Northern Ireland and achieving the Irish Republic proclaimed in 1916.

 

"There is none so blind as those that won't see".(you mean as blind as the kids in dunblane)

 

as for the poll tax you reckon instead of the rioting all over the citys of england when it was introduced,we should have taken up arms against the goverment?you should move to america mate you will fit in great there.i dont see many gangsters walking into schools or resturants or malls randomly shooting ppl with the guns.yes guns are out there but we need to get them off the streets not make more readily available.as i said f**k your civil rights if it stops another dunblane or hungerford.yours and my rights mean jack shit when it comes to the protection of the public.as for the hunting ban no i wasnt very happy but tbh it didnt affect me all that much.and most lads dont pay any attention to it.

 

Why are you unable to read and understand my posts I have time and time again said that the laws in the uk should be tighter and that existing law should be enforced.

 

If most lads ignore the ban on hunting then does that not prove my point that banning things does not work and that our legal system is broken

[SHOTGUNSNIPER 47]

you didnt answer my questions

 

where draw the line?

why draw it there?

Americans have argued in the past they have the constitutional right own powerful explosives.

 

im sure you realise even a society armed with military grade weapons would be no match against a professional army.

so your guns cannot help defend eroding rights,

to do that you need the majority to agree with you,use your vote encourage others to and stand up for what you believe in.

 

This question was answered early in the thread - you just don't bother read - a side effect of liberal brainwashing!

 

 

 

 

Where is the line drawn when it comes to creating frivolous law's that don't work and do nothing except take away law abiding peoples rights?

 

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The problems that arise with the voting and litigation method is when corrupt politicians break the law's and the very legislation that is in place to control them... An example of this would be the "health care" bill just passed by our fecked up president.... It by no means had a majority support by the people and is being challanged on a constitutional level in the supreme court.

Absolute power corrupts absolutely - The inalienable fact is the people of any country will retaliate with force when they get good and mad about being pissed on by a corrupt government! Just as street criminals are forced to think twice when it is legal and common for the general population to be armed. When the general population is well armed so does a corrupt government and the politicians/crooks have to think twice before stealing from a people for their greedy agendas....Read your history....

A population rebelling against a corrupt government with arms is an upscale version of an individual defending himself from a mugger! Just a bigger mess and more blood....

SGS

[clint 45]

The trouble with any discussion like this is that it boils down to the following:

 

Guns should be allowed, concealed or otherwise, for fine upstanding citizens (like ME).

 

Guns should not be allowed for untrustworthy, feckless, irresponsible or criminally minded people (like any group I don't happen to like).

 

[SHOTGUNSNIPER 47]

you didnt answer my questions

 

where draw the line?

why draw it there?

Americans have argued in the past they have the constitutional right own powerful explosives.

 

im sure you realise even a society armed with military grade weapons would be no match against a professional army.

so your guns cannot help defend eroding rights,

to do that you need the majority to agree with you,use your vote encourage others to and stand up for what you believe in.

 

The line has already been drawn by our bill of rights and our constitution interestingly you claim that it is our American cousins who are ruled by an "invisible magic man" yet our constitution states ,the Sovereign swears an oath to "maintain and preserve inviolably the settlement of the Church of England, and the doctrine, worship, discipline, and government thereof, as by law established in England"

I will say this once more for the deaf THE ISSUE FOR ME IS NOT ABOUT GUNS BUT ABOUT ALL OF OUR RIGHTS AND FREEDOMS BEEN REMOVED BY OUR DICTATORIAL GOVERNMENT!!!

 

 

And as for guns not working against tyrannical governments history shows that revolution can and does work it is just a shame that in the UK we just roll over and allow ourselves to be ruled.

 

If I remember correctly didn't something like that happen here in America it started with a simple Tea Party and progressed ... Oh yea - and the general population is still armed and we are in the process of brewing another "spot of tea"....

[danw 1,748]

baln if you require me to single out specific types of weapon that should or should not be allowed then I would be grateful if you would categorize each individual firearm available both civilian and military so that we can be sure that non are missed out.

 

As for nuclear weapons I believe that korea are currently undergoing assessment much more rigorous that a psychological report so perhaps we should await the out come of that before we decide.

[SHOTGUNSNIPER 47]

no new weapons are frequently made,

a hard fast rule of what weapons should and shouldnt be allowed and why?

 

a .22 can easily kill someone but then so can a knife even a stick if in the hands of a trained person.

 

use reason most europeans are born with it

 

as for the nuclear weapons im talking about the individual not the nation,why should a government have the right to not allow you the qualified individual to posses nukes?

 

The sad truth is there could possibly be a Towel headed nuclear suicide bomber in the UK or America as we speak... I guess the law really makes those guy's think twice - They just want to go off with the 20 virgins promised to them for blowing us up!

[danw 1,748]

European dictators, e.g. Mussolini, Franco, Hitler, despised democracy and considered it decadent. Fascism rejected democracy and based its rule on a 'strong man', who would act as a focus for all. Hence personality cult. All opposition was outlawed and anyone who stepped out of line was sent to prison.

 

All the media came under state control. In the 1930s this meant newspapers, film, radio and in the case of Germany, TV.

 

There's 3 Europeans who were not reasonable.

 

You must really live in a closet if you think that weapons development has ceased to exist new weapons are being developed every day the weapons trade is one of the biggest industries world wide and bae systems a British company is the largest contractor worldwide.

 

perhaps if you read the Euratom treaty and the various dissertations surrounding it then it will answer your question re- ownership of nuclear material I think you will find that our government has not taken your right to own such material rather that the EU has taken that right from you.

 

a .22 can easily kill someone but then so can a knife even a stick if in the hands of a trained person.

 

Are you suggesting sticks and knifes should be banned or trained people?

Edited May 18, 2010 by danw

[danw 1,748]

answer my question blan should sticks be banned?

 

Off to work now happily carrying one of my firearms

[scothunter 12,609]

answer my question blan should sticks be banned?

 

Off to work now happily carrying one of my firearms

 

Hey lets get this straight i do not have a prob with sporting guns so im happy with you having the right to carry such guns.and have a nice day at work.

 

but if you said im away to work with my concealed 9mm berretta and an assult rifle in the boot.then i would put you down as some sort of gun nut.

 

just so i know where you stand.would you support a law which allowed guns i have just mentioned forget about shotguns and hunting rifles.unless of course your job was a proffesional soldier.and even they are not allowed to have such weapons in there homes.

[SHOTGUNSNIPER 47]

answer my question blan should sticks be banned?

 

Off to work now happily carrying one of my firearms

 

Hey lets get this straight i do not have a prob with sporting guns so im happy with you having the right to carry such guns.and have a nice day at work.

 

but if you said im away to work with my concealed 9mm berretta and an assult rifle in the boot.then i would put you down as some sort of gun nut.

 

just so i know where you stand.would you support a law which allowed guns i have just mentioned forget about shotguns and hunting rifles.unless of course your job was a proffesional soldier.and even they are not allowed to have such weapons in there homes.

 

As a matter of fact a shotgun is one of the best all around weapons - loaded with buck a 12 guage is devastating on large game up to 30 or 40 yards. I carry one when predator hunting I have shot hundreds of coyotes with one and a Lion. 10 and 12 guage shotguns are still used by our police and military.

A 12 bore (as you limey's would say) would get the job done in a classroom or shopping mall just as well.

Many of my hunting pardners use military style AR rifles to hunt predators and deer ..... A 12 guage is a much better choice for home defense or mass murder than a 9mm Berreta....

 

Several of our mass slaying nutters have used deer rifles to commit thier dirty deeds. Military's over the world consigned hunting style rifles as sniper riflers durring time of war- the tactical sniper style rifles are a fairley modern development. Keeping just these facts in mind lets look at what you just posted.

Your statements

"but if you said im away to work with my concealed 9mm berretta and an assult rifle in the boot.then i would put you down as some sort of gun nut."

 

"just so i know where you stand.would you support a law which allowed guns i have just mentioned forget about shotguns and hunting rifles.unless of course your job was a proffesional soldier.and even they are not allowed to have such weapons in there homes."

 

You reasoning is flawed - Could it possibly be time to rethink your opinions - It's OK intelligent people do change their mind's that is what makes them intelligent! Could it be possible that some of your other reckoning's on this topic are also flawed/incorrect , liberally slanted and emotionally charged with misinformation?" YA THINK"

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[scothunter 12,609]

answer my question blan should sticks be banned?

 

Off to work now happily carrying one of my firearms

 

Hey lets get this straight i do not have a prob with sporting guns so im happy with you having the right to carry such guns.and have a nice day at work.

 

but if you said im away to work with my concealed 9mm berretta and an assult rifle in the boot.then i would put you down as some sort of gun nut.

 

just so i know where you stand.would you support a law which allowed guns i have just mentioned forget about shotguns and hunting rifles.unless of course your job was a proffesional soldier.and even they are not allowed to have such weapons in there homes.

 

As a matter of fact a shotgun is one of the best all around weapons - loaded with buck a 12 guage is devastating on large game up to 30 or 40 yards. I carry one when predator hunting I have shot hundreds of coyotes with one and a Lion. 10 and 12 guage shotguns are still used by our police and military.

A 12 bore (as you limey's would say) would get the job done in a classroom or shopping mall just as well.

Many of my hunting pardners use military style AR rifles to hunt predators and deer ..... A 12 guage is a much better choice for home defense or mass murder than a 9mm Berreta....

 

Several of our mass slaying nutters have used deer rifles to commit thier dirty deeds. Military's over the world consigned hunting style rifles as sniper riflers durring time of war- the tactical sniper style rifles are a fairley modern development. Keeping just these facts in mind lets look at what you just posted.

Your statements

"but if you said im away to work with my concealed 9mm berretta and an assult rifle in the boot.then i would put you down as some sort of gun nut."

 

"just so i know where you stand.would you support a law which allowed guns i have just mentioned forget about shotguns and hunting rifles.unless of course your job was a proffesional soldier.and even they are not allowed to have such weapons in there homes."

 

You reasoning is flawed - Could it possibly be time to rethink your opinions - It's OK intelligent people do change their mind's that is what makes them intelligent! Could it be possible that some of your other reckoning's on this topic are also flawed/incorrect , liberally slanted and emotionally charged with misinformation?" YA THINK"

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"Several of our mass slaying nutters have used deer rifles"

did you pluck that stat out your arse?

 

and a simple answer to your question. NO and stop calling me a limey

[danw 1,748]

but where do you draw the line on what fire-arms should be banned and why?

 

using reason we dont need fire-arms in our country to defend ourselves soldiers do some police do and maybe americans do (i couldnt comment on that)

 

what we need is more protection from prosecution when we do defend ourseleves by reasonable means

 

Good god I think the man has got it as I stated from the start your right to defend your selves has been removed and it has nothing at all to do with guns.

If you had troubled to read my posts at the start it would have saved us all a lot of time