School Attack I China

[SHOTGUNSNIPER 47]

and an innocent man died

 

 

Tragically, yes....is that reason to scrap the civil rights for the rest of the nation ?

 

You have the right to an atourney and if you cant afford one then we will give you a wedgie!

[SHOTGUNSNIPER 47]

I said weejee not wedgie

 

Thats how you spell it over there!

[SHOTGUNSNIPER 47]

can you not use your in-depth life experience to put of few simple races in order of scariness sgs?

 

 

you disappoint me

 

If they are human than they are high up on my list of scarieness....

Probably some where between outer space the moon, Uranus and one of them wegies you think are so feckin scary....

 

Dog's are more trustworthy than humans....

 

[scothunter 12,609]

[SHOTGUNSNIPER 47]

i dont think wedgies are scary

 

weejees on the other hand...

 

 

 

 

 

 

WEDGIES FOR YOU!

[SHOTGUNSNIPER 47]

you still havent answerd my list sgs

 

pygmies or brummy's

who are scarier?

 

Pygmies are like wee evil black leprechaun's and I don't know the term brummy - I suspect it you are referring to the Ausy aboriginee's... Them little fookers can kill ya quick with a wobble stick.....I don't know which would be worse I know I woudn't want to be weggied to death....

 

[Attack Fell Terrier 864]

...

 

AFT

 

Gun's are tools - used for hunting or self defense and warfare .... Meat cleavers were designed only for the job of hacking up body's ! Your Logic.

 

??? You're ridiculous!!! Completely and utterly ridiculous!!!!!!!!!!!! Where did I say Cleavers were designed for hacking up bodies? I never said anything of the sort. So yet more bullshit from you to try and get a head in a debate.

 

Some Guns are designed for hunting, the vast majority are designed as weapons too kill. Like you said they're tools for Warfare and if you need tools for warfare to feel safe then I'm really happy that I don't live in the USA. A meat cleavers purpose is to butcher meat.

 

And to add to that I couldn't give a shit what you lot do over there!!! You can carry around rocket launchers for all I care, I just don't like you telling us what we need to do when your country is in an even bigger mess than ours is.

 

Only you can't see that because you can carry machine guns around lol.

 

All out massacres have been stopped several times by armed citizens. Not to be heard about in the liberal media....

 

I am biased on my right to keep and bear arm's and no amount of reasoning will ever convince me to give that right up. That is why I am still armed... My logic

 

All out massacre has been caused by guns as well though, why does that part go straight over your head?

 

The mindset in the UK is that the government is protecting you by controlling you, You and those that came before you, gave up your individual rights (surrendered) allowing the government to control the society ie. Socialism... Your country has banned more and more activities and inanimate objects for the sake of controlling what liberals like you "feel". Like a bunch of emotional youngsters... So yea as a whole you have agreed by due process that the general population in the UK should not be allowed to have firearms or any leathal device....Imature youngsters..So get in line, get shaved and fill your government issue bowl up with your liberal slop and EAT IT like a good little boy....

 

:11: :gunsmilie: :gunsmilie:

 

Unbelievable, I'm a liberal now because I don't agree with your lax gun laws!!!

 

And how have you become such an expert on us over here? Have you ever been over here or experienced the way we live???

 

After reading this back I don't even know why I've dignified your post with a reply? You have no idea how to take part in and debate like a civilised person, you're admittedly biased so there is no longer any point in trying to get any sense out of you.

[danw 1,748]

Why is it that when SGS mentions the right to carry concealed weapons someone trots up with the same shite about massacres all of these hideous crimes take place in areas that the gunmen know ccw is banned such as schools and malls why the feck is that? it is so no one shots them while they commit mass murder massacres just don't occur where ccw is allowed.As for Dunblane the plod where well aware that Hamilton was a peado yet he kept his guns despite his gun club telling the plod he was not suitable to own guns,Why where the files given a 100 year secrecy order it was because it was the plods fault their inaction was directly responsible for one of the most appalling crimes ever

[scothunter 12,609]

Why is it that when SGS mentions the right to carry concealed weapons someone trots up with the same shite about massacres all of these hideous crimes take place in areas that the gunmen know ccw is banned such as schools and malls why the feck is that? it is so no one shots them while they commit mass murder massacres just don't occur where ccw is allowed.As for Dunblane the plod where well aware that Hamilton was a peado yet he kept his guns despite his gun club telling the plod he was not suitable to own guns,Why where the files given a 100 year secrecy order it was because it was the plods fault their inaction was directly responsible for one of the most appalling crimes ever

 

well its hardly shite and if banning handguns and othernon sporting weapons stops another dunblane id vote to ban them all day long,i personally dont think anyone in the uk should own these weapons.no need for it the uk.think we owe it to our kids to see that it dont happen again.

[danw 1,748]

I presume then that because Harold Shipman killed hundreds of his patients whilst working as a GP we should ban doctors?why not ban cigarettes how many die each year because of them or maybe cars should go as well

[danw 1,748]

In 1996 Horrett campbell attacked 3 kids and 4 school teachers with a machete yet these kind of knives are still available to buy. Any body who is deranged enough to want to hurt people will do so no mater what implement is available to them.

 

I firmly believe that the gun laws should be changed in Britain they should be made much tighter not in the respect of what type of gun should be available (the type of gun you own is irrelevant if you are deemed fit to posses firearms) but who should be allowed to access them formal training should be mandatory, mental health checks be part of the licencing process and more frequent visits from a flo 5 years between applications is in my opinion too long as a persons circumstances can change non of this should impact your right to own firearms if due process is followed and the onus should be on the police to prove you are not suitable rather than the applicant prove that they are.

 

Every time the government bans something be it a type of gun,a firework,a computer game or even a type of dog it erodes your freedom it takes away your choice it says that the government do not think you have the capacity to behave yourself that they will do the thinking for you by banning an object it merely shows the flaws in our police and legal systems that they can not enforce the law so it is easier to take away the rights of law abiding citizens it is widely accepted that handguns are readily available illegally if the ban worked why is this possible our right to own such items as law abiding people should not be impinged upon because of the actions of a tiny minority the police should accept that they play the biggest part in the commission of these crimes because of their inability to enforce laws we already had/have.

I guess the public should not be trusted to play nicely

[SHOTGUNSNIPER 47]

In 1996 Horrett campbell attacked 3 kids and 4 school teachers with a machete yet these kind of knives are still available to buy. Any body who is deranged enough to want to hurt people will do so no mater what implement is available to them.

 

I firmly believe that the gun laws should be changed in Britain they should be made much tighter not in the respect of what type of gun should be available (the type of gun you own is irrelevant if you are deemed fit to posses firearms) but who should be allowed to access them formal training should be mandatory, mental health checks be part of the licencing process and more frequent visits from a flo 5 years between applications is in my opinion too long as a persons circumstances can change non of this should impact your right to own firearms if due process is followed and the onus should be on the police to prove you are not suitable rather than the applicant prove that they are.

 

Every time the government bans something be it a type of gun,a firework,a computer game or even a type of dog it erodes your freedom it takes away your choice it says that the government do not think you have the capacity to behave yourself that they will do the thinking for you by banning an object it merely shows the flaws in our police and legal systems that they can not enforce the law so it is easier to take away the rights of law abiding citizens it is widely accepted that handguns are readily available illegally if the ban worked why is this possible our right to own such items as law abiding people should not be impinged upon because of the actions of a tiny minority the police should accept that they play the biggest part in the commission of these crimes because of their inability to enforce laws we already had/have.

I guess the public should not be trusted to play nicely

 

:clapper: :clapper: Yes enforce the existing law's and repeal the ones that don't work! Ban Socialism, Ban Liberalism....

 

At least there is one person over there that is brave enough to speak up.! The decision to defend yourself should be made in advance it is a mindset that can be planned and developed ahead of time... Just as the mindset of surrender civil rights is completed bore the victimization begins.

Most of the limp wristed possers on this sight probably pee them selves when they get a rabbit in the sights of their airgun ! There are a few old timers, police, military & X military fellas on here that can cut it. DanW I susect the two current posters you have been in com with are city folk and Liberal Socialists.......Neither one of em has a profile so I would say they are sceered of somthing..... Victims of surrender.....

 

I have posted this before and I doubt the two Socialists read it the title probably scares them....

 

Every athiast I have ever known was a fearfull soul , but I suppose without God in your corner the world is an evil place and what better replacement for God than an all seeing Socialistic government that bans everything.....

 

The Gun is Civilization

by Maj. L. Caudill USMC (Ret)

 

Human beings only have two ways to deal with one another: reason and force. If you want me to do something for you, you have a choice of either convincing me via argument, or force me to do your bidding under threat of force. Every human interaction falls into one of those two categories, without exception. Reason or force, that's it.

 

In a truly moral and civilized society, people exclusively interact through persuasion. Force has no place as a valid method of social interaction, and the only thing that removes force from the menu is the personal firearm, as paradoxical as it may sound to some.

 

When I carry a gun, you cannot deal with me by force. You have to use reason and try to persuade me, because I have a way to negate your threat or employment of force.

 

The gun is the only personal weapon that puts a 100-pound woman on equal footing with a 220-pound mugger, a 75-year old retiree on equal footing with a 19-year old gang banger, and a single guy on equal footing with a carload of drunk guys with baseball bats. The gun removes the disparity in physical strength, size, or numbers between a potential attacker and a defender.

 

There are plenty of people who consider the gun as the source of bad force equations. These are the people who think that we'd be more civilized if all guns were removed from society, because a firearm makes it easier for a [armed] mugger to do his job. That, of course, is only true if the mugger's potential victims are mostly disarmed either by choice or by legislative fiat--it has no validity when most of a mugger's potential marks are armed.

 

People who argue for the banning of arms ask for automatic rule by the young, the strong, and the many, and that's the exact opposite of a civilized society. A mugger, even an armed one, can only make a successful living in a society where the state has granted him a force monopoly.

 

Then there's the argument that the gun makes confrontations lethal that otherwise would only result in injury. This argument is fallacious in several ways. Without guns involved, confrontations are won by the physically superior party inflicting overwhelming injury on the loser.

People who think that fists, bats, sticks, or stones don't constitute lethal force watch too much TV, where people take beatings and come out of it with a bloody lip at worst. The fact that the gun makes lethal force easier works solely in favor of the weaker defender, not the stronger attacker. If both are armed, the field is level.

 

The gun is the only weapon that's as lethal in the hands of an octogenarian as it is in the hands of a weight lifter. It simply wouldn't work as well as a force equalizer if it wasn't both lethal and easily employable.

 

When I carry a gun, I don't do so because I am looking for a fight, but because I'm looking to be left alone. The gun at my side means that I cannot be forced, only persuaded. I don't carry it because I'm afraid, but because it enables me to be unafraid. It doesn't limit the actions of those who would interact with me through reason, only the actions of those who would do so by force. It removes force from the equation... and that's why carrying a gun is a civilized act.

 

By Maj. L. C audill USM C (Ret)

 

So the greatest civilization is one where all citizens are equally armed and can only be persuaded, never forced.

 

:gunsmilie::gunsmilie::gunsmilie::gunsmilie::gunsmilie::gunsmilie:

[droid 11]

The trouble with any discussion like this is that it boils down to the following:

 

Guns should be allowed, concealed or otherwise, for fine upstanding citizens (like ME).

 

Guns should not be allowed for untrustworthy, feckless, irresponsible or criminally minded people (like any group I don't happen to like).

[danw 1,748]

machete's have other uses and i'd rather go up against a machete wielding man than some one with a gun at least then ive got a chance even if it is just running away!

 

where do we draw the line?should we be allowed sub-machine guns?heavy machine guns?rpg's?nuclear weapons?

 

all completely unnecessary in the civilized world (for the individual citizen) so where draw the line and more importantly why draw it there?

 

america is 'one nation united under the invisible magic man' who they have faith is real so they can kill people in good conscience thinking the invisible magic man will judge their character when theyre dead and maybe send them to paradise,we in Britain are long past such primitive notions (in general)

 

 

In a civilized world you might just be right but we are far from living in that Utopian society that you so crave.

what we are heading to though is a society where the government makes all our choices,treats us like children and would rather see us sat in a eating our meat free subsistence with a plastic knife and fork.

AS I have said before (and I am not sure you read my posts fully Blan)the issue for me is not one of guns but of a much bigger problem and that is the continual removal of my rights by the goverment perhaps you are too blinded by the spin and brainwashing that the media force feed the population of the uk everyday.

There is another thread running at the moment which outlines the banning of a .38 starter pistol because it can be converted to a live fire pistol once again it is felt that although it is illegal to make such a conversion we cannot be trusted not to break the law so this item should be removed from law abiding citizens.

[danw 1,748]

you didnt answer my questions

 

where draw the line?

why draw it there?

Americans have argued in the past they have the constitutional right own powerful explosives.

 

im sure you realise even a society armed with military grade weapons would be no match against a professional army.

so your guns cannot help defend eroding rights,

to do that you need the majority to agree with you,use your vote encourage others to and stand up for what you believe in.

 

The line has already been drawn by our bill of rights and our constitution interestingly you claim that it is our American cousins who are ruled by an "invisible magic man" yet our constitution states ,the Sovereign swears an oath to "maintain and preserve inviolably the settlement of the Church of England, and the doctrine, worship, discipline, and government thereof, as by law established in England"

I will say this once more for the deaf THE ISSUE FOR ME IS NOT ABOUT GUNS BUT ABOUT ALL OF OUR RIGHTS AND FREEDOMS BEEN REMOVED BY OUR DICTATORIAL GOVERNMENT!!!

 

 

And as for guns not working against tyrannical governments history shows that revolution can and does work it is just a shame that in the UK we just roll over and allow ourselves to be ruled.

Edited May 16, 2010 by danw