Who Would Like An Independant England

[Tesco 28]

Every street in the U.K could be independant and we'll all still end up being ruled by the EU

[Malt 379]

Have any of the advocates of breaking up the union actually thought what it would entail from a global perspective? We're just about hanging on to our status of being a 'Great Power' in terms of power projection & global influence, I reckon we'd loose our permanent seat on the UN council, and the veto that goes with it. Also our collective bargaining might at the EU would take a massive blow if we were split into 4. Despite what some think about the EU, we are a huge player there as things stand. We'd slip down the ranks and become the bitch of second rate countries...

 

You only have to look at the soviet union to see what happens when a powerful country breaks up into individual nations..

 

 

Also what would happen to our armed forces and with it our nuclear deterrent?

 

 

It's a united front of all 4 home countries for me. I'll always be a proud Welshman who's proud of his country, history & heritage, but then again I'm not blinded by a need for us to stand on our own against the world just because of a massive, England sized chip on the shoulder gained over the past few hundred years. I'm proud of the UK and what she's achieved.

Edited May 11, 2010 by maltenby

[FightTheBan 1,147]

Id be happy just being independant from the EU - we cant support ourselves never mind that shitehole Clint comes from

FTB

[mexlad 189]

Id be happy just being independant from the EU - we cant support ourselves never mind that shitehole Clint comes from

FTB

 

 

 

lol

[rob.i 26]

aye independent from Europe and Pakistan

Edited May 11, 2010 by rob.i

[Foxgun Tom 75]

I'ts not for me as a Scot to have a view wether there should be an independant England that's for the people who regard themselve's as English!! I do however believe in an independant Scotland, We already have a nationalist government in Scotland (SNP), The scottish nationalists who were sitting in the Westminister parliement before the election did and would not vote on matters that concerned England and Wales only (a moral decision) Scottish labour, tory and liberal democrat mp's all voted on English and Welsh only issue's

 

Scottish independance as absolutely nothing to do with a sense of being anti English the vast majority of Scot's including myself are not!!

 

If Scotland did gain its independance the Scottish Nationalist Party (you can't have a one party system in a democracy) would be kicked into touch and the people would vote for a more socialist government to be in power, I certainly would and I don't mean the present labour party!!

 

Scotland voted for a labour majority because of what the tories did here in the past and if the tories get into a pact with the Lib/Dem's they'll be in power in Scotland without a mandate from the Scottish people? the same is true in reverse (in England and Wales) if labour tie up with the Lib/Dem's and nationalists etc:

 

Scotland should have the right to raise its own finance, enact taxation and be self sufficient and still keep its close ties witn either an independant England or an England that want's to keep a certain degree of constutional ties!

 

This election result can only help in the cause of full independance for Scotland as the recent election has put us back to square one or worse!!

 

Tom

 

Ps: not all that's happened in Scottish politic's recently is based on matters 300/400 years old, the Scot's have shorter memories and some of their voting decisions are based on issues only going back 25/30 years

Edited May 11, 2010 by Foxgun Tom

[scothunter 12,609]

I'ts not for me as a Scot to have a view wether there should be an independant England that's for the people who regard themselve's as English!! I do however believe in an independant Scotland, We already have a nationalist government in Scotland (SNP), The scottish nationalists who were sitting in the Westminister parliement before the election did and would not vote on matters that concerned England and Wales only (a moral decision) Scottish labour, tory and liberal democrat mp's all voted on English and Welsh only issue's

 

Scottish independance as absolutely nothing to do with a sense of being anti English the vast majority of Scot's including myself are not!!

 

If Scotland did gain its independance the Scottish Nationalist Party (you can't have a one party system in a democracy) would be kicked into touch and the people would vote for a more socialist government to be in power, I certainly would and I don't mean the present labour party!!

 

Scotland voted for a labour majority because of what the tories did here in the past and if the tories get into a pact with the Lib/Dem's they'll be in power in Scotland without a mandate from the Scottish people? the same is true in reverse (in England and Wales) if labour tie up with the Lib/Dem's and nationalists etc:

 

Scotland should have the right to raise its own finance, enact taxation and be self sufficient and still keep its close ties witn either an independant England or an England that want's to keep a certain degree of constutional ties!

 

This election result can only help in the cause of full independance for Scotland as the recent election has put us back to square one or worse!!

 

Tom

 

Some good points there tom and i never actually thought about having an independent scotland away from the SNP (CANT STAND THAT SALMOND).However having said that mate.You do realise that the scots who want their independence are a minority.the vast maj of scots dont want seperation and salmond knows this,but still continues to antaganise our english neighbours with his ridiculous claims and digs.if i myself wouldnt vote for a break in the union but if i was convinced that all would go well without any major collapses.it would be food for thought.

However its a dangerous game they play look at iceland.Another thing is the gas oil that we insist on drawing like a gun in any debate.Its nothing short of fool hardiness to rely on as our future stability.oil especially its totally unstable as it is without building a false economy around it.

 

Maltbeny raised some very good points aswell on the nuclear detterent not to mention our role in the security council.The Uk is no longer the power it used to be and i reckon that a break up would defo result in us losing the only clout we still have.and as lots of ppl have mentioned on here those mad f*****g muzzies would hit us hard in any weaknesses as a result of that.

 

but hey we could go round and round with this for decades and have done lol

all i can hope for is whatever happens we All get on and still have the ties with our neighbours if it is broken i hope its something we dont later find as a regret.I suspect the latter.

[WILF 46,684]

 

 

Ps: not all that's happened in Scottish politic's recently is based on matters 300/400 years old, the Scot's have shorter memories and some of their voting decisions are based on issues only going back 25/30 years

 

Still a trillion in the red though, are we not Thomas

Edited May 11, 2010 by WILF

[RicW 67]

IndependEnce. IndependEnt. Let's stick to our own language, OK?

[John Keswick 119]

In answer to the original question, yes i think it would be a good idea, on the condition that we give no more handouts to the scotch and no more handouts to other countries. Did i mention the scotch? especially no hand outs to those scroungers...

[Dosser 52]

Get real people, there is no way on earth that Scotland could survive alone, ok you have some oil and gas

reserves but the truth of the matter is you cant afford to get them out of the ground, England finances that.

You would end up like the Irish, who incidently fought long and hard to gain independance, and end up signing sovereignty over to a European political collective.

Having said that i am in no way anti scots/welsh/irish but i think devolution is another tool used by the ruling elite to obtain the political objectives they seek.

[Foxgun Tom 75]

simple fact!! independance for Scotland is a real possibility after this fiasco of an election!

 

Labour had no mandate to run the the UK because they had less seats than the tories!

 

The tories and lib/dems have no mandate to run Scotland the tories have only one seat here and the lib/dems have less than 1/5th of the seats in Scotland

 

Why then does parties that have no mandate in Scotland be allowed to dictate to the Scots? The rest of the UK would'nt put up with the situation why should we?

 

The Nationalists will jump on this, and use it to their advantage and gain support for a referendum on independance

 

India, Australia, Kenya, Sri-Lanka The West Indies, Zimbabwe and so did a lot of others, etc: all got Independance why can't the Scots have the right to self determination and raise their own revinue and go it alone

 

Tom

 

Ps: where does the idea that England finance's getting the oil out of the ground in Scotland come from? it does'nt and England with the rest of the UK use's and benefits from the revinue and the resource's from Britain's oil industry, it's not Scottish oil yet!!

Edited May 11, 2010 by Foxgun Tom

[WILF 46,684]

Honest question: Do the Scots really belive they can raise enough revenue from 5 million people to finance everything they have now?....oh and not all of that 5m are working and paying tax, some will be old, some young, some retired etc

 

If you make the oil and gas too expensive, folk will just get it out of the ground in another part of the planet.

 

anyway, thats way off the original question but true non the less.

[gaz 284]

Seems to me like a case of "dammed if they do and dammed if they dont"....the Scots get in the neck whether the subject is independence or staying in the union...maybe we should just say nothing without having a voice or opinion and we might aswell just forget about thinking as this might lead to a piece of rhetoric thats gonna upset our superiour cousins

 

IMO the tories and labour are a bunch of parasitic twats who would never get my vote but a right few Scots backed labour only to keep the tories out who are dispised with a passion up here and without going into too much detail did a hell of a lot of damage that will prob never be reversed.

Edited May 11, 2010 by gaz

[gonetoearth 5,144]

simple fact!! independance for Scotland is a real possibility after this fiasco of an election! 6 seats

before 6 seats now how pray tell does this make a case for independence , just proves they hate the torys more than the snp ,alex salmon is a power craving greasy little shit stiring barsteward , if

he had had his way scotlands budjet would all been

in icelandic banks you would have to sell your fox sporan by now tom,by the way gordon's

on the sleeper back up to you look after him .he will

be looking for a job

Edited May 11, 2010 by gonetoearth