Carl Williams

[poxon 5,717]

1 hour ago, Big Ron said:

Yes totally agree , only way to confidently produce workers consistent.

im afraid as most people know very little on the subject  of line breeding it’s like anything if your not sure  it must be wrong and bad .

Think you boys have jumped the gun your on about continuing a already existing line not starting a line from scratch ie the blokes original post of starting a working line of whippet x greyhound long dogs he can say is his own All lines of working dogs start at the beginning 

[poxon 5,717]

5 minutes ago, Big Ron said:

Are you line bred too Poxon or bambagasgon off Uni Challenge ? 

Bit long winded but I think I got the point mate 

Ffs mate I’m not happy now 

[Big Ron 1,156]

8 minutes ago, poxon said:

Ffs mate I’m not happy now 

have a Cornish rattler 

[poxon 5,717]

Just now, Big Ron said:

have a Cornish rattler 

[mC HULL 12,107]

2 hours ago, SheepChaser said:

It’s true or any type of animal, and is something I find it odd that people don’t get, as I come at it from a farming perspective.

With sheep and cattle we do a lot of performance recording and linking between sire and dam and offspring, and most traits are massively inheritable obviously, with relatively  quick gains to be made. Stuff like lameness, litter size, growth rates, maternal ability, muscle depth, back fat etc etc are all measured and when you find a line which carry’s positive traits for one or more of those you breed toward it, while keeping an eye on what your losing out on. My sheep are very efficient and good, and they are in bred to f**k, father to daughter, sibling to sibling etc etc, but lots of father to daughter and to grand daughter. Same with anything, not all dogs/sheep/horses/birds are equal to the same despite how they look, and when you get hold of a genetically superior beast you try and loco those genes in by breeding tight until you hit a problem abs then go from there. Also certain genes are present in some animals and not others (ie inverdale or gdf9 genes in sheep), the same will be true of dogs, but we don’t study it enough. Some dogs will carry certain genes which predispose them to being better at what we do, by line breeding to that animal and keeping tight, you’re trying to breed that gene onto both sides of the line and lock it in, as that’s when the real genetic jumps are made. 

Is that linebreeding mate or inbreeding 

I'd say father daughter siblings is inbreeding I think mate  

[SheepChaser 8,083]

1 minute ago, mC HULL said:

Is that linebreeding mate or inbreeding 

I'd say father daughter siblings is inbreeding I think mate  

It’s a bit different with sheep because killing stuff is a lot less of an issue. Also there are several potential sites mating in a mob with all of their previous mates from previous years, plus the off spring from various years, and some new less related  sires. But I don’t think it really matters how close you go if it’s working, as long as you can throw in some new good blood if it goes wrong. Also with stock I’m breeding every year. 

[SheepChaser 8,083]

1 hour ago, Big Ron said:

Are you line bred too Poxon or bambagasgon off Uni Challenge ? 

Bit long winded but I think I got the point mate 

Basically if there’s a real good animal be it dog or bitch, try to get it both sides of a mating and also in a few places each side, and away you go. 

[mC HULL 12,107]

1 minute ago, SheepChaser said:

It’s a bit different with sheep because killing stuff is a lot less of an issue. Also there are several potential sites mating in a mob with all of their previous mates from previous years, plus the off spring from various years, and some new less related  sires. But I don’t think it really matters how close you go if it’s working, as long as you can throw in some new good blood if it goes wrong. Also with stock I’m breeding every year. 

I haven't got a clue about sheep mate lol I always wondered though now I know they ok to breed amongst there self 

[SheepChaser 8,083]

Just now, mC HULL said:

I haven't got a clue about sheep mate lol I always wondered though now I know they ok to breed amongst there self 

You get problems, and got to be careful not to get them too much, like under shot jaws etc. But my worst ones are minor, a wierd like curled abs of tail and random black patches. So those don’t matter. But I am talking a mob of about 1200 ewes, so there’s a lot of spunk flying about  

[mC HULL 12,107]

4 minutes ago, SheepChaser said:

You get problems, and got to be careful not to get them too much, like under shot jaws etc. But my worst ones are minor, a wierd like curled abs of tail and random black patches. So those don’t matter. But I am talking a mob of about 1200 ewes, so there’s a lot of spunk flying about  

I've seen dogs to inbred mate bad skin cancers fits 

But my bitches gr dam was farther daughter so f**k knows lol

[Big Ron 1,156]

53 minutes ago, mC HULL said:

Is that linebreeding mate or inbreeding 

I'd say father daughter siblings is inbreeding I think mate  

It’s line breeding when all goes to plan and called inbreeding if it don’t 

Edited May 14, 2021 by Big Ron

[Big Ron 1,156]

38 minutes ago, mC HULL said:

I've seen dogs to inbred mate bad skin cancers fits 

But my bitches gr dam was farther daughter so f**k knows lol

Just out of interest and nothing else who keep dogs from a line on here be it your own or someone else’s ?

[Rudeboy 1 152]

Hi fellow feidsports enthusiasts my name is Carl williams I am based in the Rhondda valleys of South Wales and yes I bred some of the very best whippet x greyhounds longdogs hybrids in the 1980s and1990s they were bred in order to catch rabbits and course and claimed some of the strongest brown winter time hares.They very often claimed a considerable harvest of freshly lamped copies on a dirty dark night and conditions were bang on for the lamping enthusiasts period.Those who give verbal about the dogs I once bred need to bite the bullet because its a matter of each to their own. Yours in sport my friends 

[mC HULL 12,107]

1 minute ago, Big Ron said:

Just out of interest and nothing else who keep dogs from a line on here be it your own or someone else’s ?

I don't have a line mate both mine bought in   none really close but linebred 

 

[Rudeboy 1 152]

I've a new line bro