Saluki X Head strong ignorant

[stroller 341]

The only experience i have of pure bred salukis is the lads next door, he does nothing with them bar breed them and sell them in the countrymans weekly. they occasionally get a walk all on extenda leads they are unsociable and spend most of the day barking in a kennel, This is just poor stockmanship!

 

We have a saluki x grey x saluki x grey ad infinitum (My sons dog). he is a dog who could have had more early work done with him but he was taught nowt but the usual tool box dog stuff the lamp and ferreting my lad didnt teach him to retrieve or work on his obedience so the result is a dog he isnt happy with , the dog catches ok hunts up on the lamp comes back when he wants etc very powerful dog and i use him for ferreting occasionally at which he does ok.

 

so who is to blame is it the dog? or the owner? or is it me for watching the lad not get the best out of the dog? i had a lot to say about it but the lad wont listen (19 year old) . i know he would love to get rid of the dog and be a lurcher swapper but its not happening, when he moves out he will probably leave the big dog here (The dog can live here for the rest of his days he is a lovely big beast) and start again with some other poor mutt until he learns, how many dogs get wasted like this???

[genuine 81]

Of course I understand what the original poster is saying,..but, in my opinion,..and in my experience,..it is not solely the province of the noble Saluki,..to be labelled,... untrainable...

 

Most dogs can be 'sorted' to a degree,.but sometimes,..one comes across a hunting dog that loves to hunt,.. almost as much as it needs oxygen,...it craves the chase so much ,..that nothing short of death threats will deter the fecker,.and in a minority of cases,..some would prefer a quick death,.. to a lingering life,..unable to fulfil that ancient and primitive craving...

 

I know that feeling myself....

 

All the best,.CHALKWARREN...

 

Completely agree,a mate had a saluki few years back now realy hard to train would even bite him,run miles away after being told what to do and make his own way home,this had him realy depressed at one point he was going to give up after 2-3 years calmed down great pot filler day night taking huge numbers of game Roe Hare Rabbit,sadly the dog didnt have a long life he died in the field after a heart attack as did another 2 from the litter aged about 5years,the sire of the litter also lived a short life died in the field doing what they donr best! But this cross needs alot of time patients and is certainly not for unexperienced lurchermen!

[Bosun11 537]

Some crackin replys to what is one of the better, more thought out posts on here.

 

I'm in agreement with Chalks on that 'primitive' hunting gene and with Duckwing on the 'best' way to get the most out of this type. I've never belived these dogs are ignorant but more require a type of 'bond' between them and their owners, certainly in my expierience, being constantly 'out', doing whatever, has been the way to produce the best of this type I have seen!

 

Don't get me wrong, if all you reqire is 'point and slip' on a distant speck on the horizon, plenty will never have to give more than good basic requirements in terms of a life BUT if youre looking to make a sound 'Lurcher' out of this cross then you gotta look at it a 'little differently'.

 

Good thred folks

[fieldsman 51]

Of course I understand what the original poster is saying,..but, in my opinion,..and in my experience,..it is not solely the province of the noble Saluki,..to be labelled,... untrainable...

 

Most dogs can be 'sorted' to a degree,.but sometimes,..one comes across a hunting dog that loves to hunt,.. almost as much as it needs oxygen,...it craves the chase so much ,..that nothing short of death threats will deter the fecker,.and in a minority of cases,..some would prefer a quick death,.. to a lingering life,..unable to fulfil that ancient and primitive craving...

 

I know that feeling myself....

 

All the best,.CHALKWARREN...

 

 

GOOD POST CHALKIE ,

 

 

AND VERY TRUE ............

HAVING RUN SALUKI LURCHERS [ WONDER WHY THEY CROSSED IN LURCHER ???? THINK ABOUT IT ! ] FOR YRS AND HAVING SEEN LITERALLY THOUSANDS AT HOME AND IN THE FIELD ...........................

IMO .......... ITS MORE THE WAY THEY ARE WORKED AND KENNELLED BY THE OWNERS ............

A STORY TO ILLUSTRATE ..........

A GOOD FRIEND OF MINE WAS HAVING A REALLY TERRIBLE TIME WITH SOME WELL BRED SALUKI LINES ...... HE HAS WONDERFUL KENNELS , PLENTY OF EXCERSISE AND WORK ETC , ETC ......... WHICH IN ANY NORMAL CASE WOULD LEAD TO A WELL CARED FOR DOG .............. HOWEVER HE HAD MAJOR PROBLEMS ...... THE DOGS HOWLED , WOULDNT LISTEN TO COMMANDS , VERY SLOPPY RECALL ..... ETC , ETC .................

HE REALLY WAS AT HIS WITS END !!!

NOW THEN WE WORK TOGETHER.......... AND AT THE TIME WERE ON A COUNCIL TYPE HOUSING ESTATE AWASH WITH SALUKI CROSSES ........ EVERYONE WAS TREATED THE SAME WAY ........ KENNEL IN THE BACK GARDEN , DOGS FREE TO ROAM AS THEY WISHED , THEY JUST JUMPED THE FENCE AND OFF THEY WENT ........ NOT ONE BIT OF BOTHER TO THE OWNERS

THEY WERE ALL FAIRLY GOOD TO COMMANDS AND LITERALLY SPENT ALL DAY LONG WITH PEOPLE .................

AND HERES THE CRUX OF THE MATTER ................

 

IMO ....... THE SALUKI Xs ARENT THE TYPE YOU CAN PEN UP GO TO WORK AND SPEND AN HOUR WITH A DAY

 

THEY NEED TO BE WITH THEIR OWNERS , SPENDING A LOT OF TIME WITH THEM AND SEEING NEW EXPERIENCES AND INDEED SENCING THE OWNERS MOODS ETC ...............

A LOT OF THIS TYPE DONT TAKE TO PENS EASILY AS WELL ............... REMEMBER THE SALUKI ROAMS FREE IN ITS NATIVE LAND MUCH OF THE TIME SPENDING ALL DAY WITH PEOPLE .............

 

YOU OFTEN CANNOT TAKE OUT FIXED TRAITS WHICH HAVE BEEN BRED IN FOR THOUSANDS OF YEARS . TO DO SO IS LIKE BANGING YER HEAD AGAINST A WALL

 

 

ALL THE BEST

 

 

 

DUCKWING

I totaly agree I bring all my Saluki and saluki Xs in the house and spend 24/7 with them even take them in the car even if I,m just popping to the shop they sit next to me . Much to to the dissapointment of the other half they even sleep next to the bed. I pointed out to the chap I had the original chat with that in my humble opinian it was only dogs kenneld out that tended to show this behaviour and appart from exersise and general training there was no real interaction( an EG in all the time I,v known this bloke not once have I seen him playing showing affection of the ruff and tumble type ) I think and I may be wronge that playing messing about with the dog goes a long way in forming a trusting bond.All my dogs return when recalled, they could do with being a sharper but unlike many others I,v been out with who kennel their,s out side I dont have to get down on my knees as if praying for it to return. Before any one jumps on on me I know not all Saluki,s kept out in kennels are like this but I can honestly say every one I,v seen with this kind of temperment has been kept out and Again only my oppinian I think sepparation based .Once this behaviour sets in it is very hard to turn it arround.I start my saluki Xs at 10 to 12 weeks short walks with my best behaved whippets good manners spread to new pups and half the job is done by my other dogs . Any more tips on training dogs with a dash of that saluki pig headedness will be helpfull to others bringing on their first saluki X I,m sure any methods used in training that produse positive results will be welcomed by anyone with their first saluki or X .It would be great if we could have loads of good advise that worked well.Better than shelters full of dogs that dont as to many end up through know fault of their own ATB Fieldsman

[artic 595]

The saluki and its X have alot of drive, highly independent, and are faithful companions. You have to be prepared for their charm and facination to chase anything that moves, this is where you finely tune them into stock breaking.

 

Ive always said that they choose their owners. The more time you spend with them the more they blossom, like any dog, but i think more so with this type. Close contact and a good relationship is essential. Training takes a great deal of time, patience and dedication, some owners have more than others and it shows in the dogs.

 

I have one here at 15months that will work close to me, and will retrieve out of water at great distance like any gundog would.

 

A great dog to own and work.

Edited May 7, 2010 by artic

[riohog 5,701]

plenty of exersise and mental stimulation ! like most dogs no good feeding them 30 odd % protean food and takink them out for 1/2 a day know wonder they afre doing the wall off death !!.feed them well and work them hard

[PINNACLE 2,297]

I got my bitch at 11 weeks and she is only part Saluki. She lives in the house is very affectionate and playful but was the hardest dog to train and a real pain in the ass. She was my first dog and to be honest I had no experience on how to train a dog other than books, advice from other dog owners with good dogs and watching Purdy’s Progress a dozen times. I was keen to get it right so I took her to puppy classes to learn the basics; the trainer I chose is very experienced and is well known having trained to the highest trial levels.

 

My bitch was the naughtiest most head strong dog out of the whole class. We were always volunteered to go first as an example on how not to do something and it was all quite stressful looking back at it. From the start of her training she did everything that was not expected of her.

 

The first time she was let off the lead she just went off into the distance not paying any attention to calls to come or sit even though she was getting better at these commands in the garden and in the house. Every walk was a nightmare she would just go from one dog to another to play if there were any around or just put her head down and run off if there weren’t, it was hell. She just went deaf on me or my wife but always gave us that “I am the boss look†when she did look up. I tried all the usual methods to get her to respond treats, squeaky toys, balls, rabbit skins, talking and praising, whistles, shouting and screaming, walking away and hiding, but nothing worked. She is not at all food orientated so training a sit and come proved difficult.I can still put a sausage or hotdog in front of her and she will roll her eyes turn around and walk off.

 

I was determined to crack it so kept going to the classes for 5 months and she did get better but letting her off the lead still meant chasing her around or waiting by the car for her to come back when she was knackered. We became very selective on where to go for walks and at what time and it was all getting too much, we even spoke about giving her away.

 

In the end my dog trainer said the only way I will get her to respond to commands was to use an air collar which is a remote controlled collar that gives a quick squirt of compressed air under her chin when triggered so breaking her off from what she is doing and give me a chance to get a command across. I was reluctant to try it at first as I did not want to take the puppy out of her as she was still only 8 months old. It was when she got to 10 months and she started chasing deer and horses that I gave in and bought one and I will never regret it.

 

She is now nearly 14 months and she is like a different dog she still does what she wants when I let her and an hour’s walk might mean I only see her for ½ of that but she is now never far away. I feel confident I am now in control as she will recall to a whistle usually first time but never more that 3 pips. I have stopped her chasing deer, bikes, runners, horses and every dog she sees. She is 100% with horses and has even been out with my wife when she was riding.

 

I am sure they are not all as head strong as mine and I am so glad I got it sorted as she is now a great dog.

 

I now know it was the dog not me as we recently got another “non†Saluki lurcher who has not done much even though he is about 7 months old and he is a doddle to train, totally responsive and willing to do as he is instructed.

[stroller 341]

Excellent reply pinnacle, and all credit to you for sticking at it. i hope you get many years of enjoyment from her.

[Caravan Monster 323]

I start my saluki Xs at 10 to 12 weeks short walks with my best behaved whippets good manners spread to new pups and half the job is done by my other dogs .

 

When a saluki x is brought up in the house and around people, how important is the role of a sensible older dog to a pup? How much does the pup pick up from the other dogs it lives with in terms of socialisation, general obedience and in the field ?

[riohog 5,701]

I start my saluki Xs at 10 to 12 weeks short walks with my best behaved whippets good manners spread to new pups and half the job is done by my other dogs .

 

When a saluki x is brought up in the house and around people, how important is the role of a sensible older dog to a pup? How much does the pup pick up from the other dogs it lives with in terms of socialisation, general obedience and in the field ?

yes it will learn off other dogs in the house ..but what will it learn ..pack mentality!!

 

pecking order !! and manners in the house providing all are treated the same ...in the field to a degree ,but it depends on wht breed its living /hunting with ad the amount of saluki that is in it , and what its x with , the more saluki saturated dogs will probebly still chase on sight rather than using its nose

[Dan Edwards 1,134]

duckwing,

 

ONE THING ABOUT THE SALUKI BLOODED DOGS .... THEY ARE NATURAL KILLERS ........ SOMETIMES VERY PRIMATIVE

 

 

 

I'm interested in that statement. I'm really into natural "BORN" kill dogs. I love watchin a kill dogs art form. My buddy Rocks used to say watchin a good dog kill a coyote was like watchin a ballet and he's right, it is. There is no "fight", just a kill.

[tut 0]

dear fieldsman

 

i myself have a 10mth saluki x who has shown all of the signs of having a untrainable nature.i have had long nights chasing begging bad boy good boy crap when he has decided to run off and ply etc.i thought off myself beign responsible for is attitude but my partner whos father bread salukis in hull many years ago has had simialar fun and games.my attitude is therfore if they wanna do it then there gonna do it.but he is my dog a big featheared cream/white 28inch hunting machine .

[runforyourlife 361]

nearly every saluki cross ive seen is ignorant i had 1 and i was ripping my hair out it took the piss to much so it had to go it only ran when it wanted to and it was hedge shy these crosses are no good unless you have a lot of patience

 

 

Well top lamper, and bareing in mind that i find myself agreeing with you in alot of the posts. I think what you have said here is totaly wrong. I will give you an invite now, to come out and work with my saluki x...You may struggle to find another dog as obedient or as clever! Hows that, lol.

 

She works to clicks of the fingers, pointing and many other silent gestures. will run anything that can really run! And always returns to the spot she set off from, without a whistle or a call, be it 10 or what ever minutes later. She doesnt have to wear a lead even in the centre of a city, or in a catery, she will not leave your side, unless told to. She knows her green x code, lol...

 

All it takes is the right amount of training and work load when they are young..

[Taffybull 48]

got 2 saluki blooded lurchers my self, the young dog i bred is most obidient lurcher iv owned. i dont think the "saluki cross" on a grand scale, deserves the tag ov being stuborn, hard to train, deaf when suits them. i think its a load ov pish, im a firm beliver, that its down the the man behind the dog, but hey ho, the beat goes on.

[runforyourlife 361]

got 2 saluki blooded lurchers my self, the young dog i bred is most obidient lurcher iv owned. i dont think the "saluki cross" on a grand scale, deserves the tag ov being stuborn, hard to train, deaf when suits them. i think its a load ov pish, im a firm beliver, that its down the the man behind the dog, but hey ho, the beat goes on.

spot on