PCP or Spring Air Rifle??

[tepper82 0]

Morning everyone! hope youve all had a good bank holiday!

 

I have looked around the forum and cant find this question anywere else, *(apologies if this topic has already been covered)

 

I have an old spring air rifle that has been in the house for 20 years and is getting a bit past it now so I am looking at getting another and start shooting seriously.

 

I will be shooting any vermin ( rats, rabbits, magpies, woody's ect) and will be spending around £250 ish. My mate has just bought a Webley Raider 10 shot and this seems a good rifle but this has raised the question, Do I want a pcp or spring?? Is there much difference in accuracy/ power?

how much do the tanks or pumps used to refill cost?

If there are any other pros or cons please let me know.

 

thanks in advance

 

Lee

[SEAN3513 7]

pcp = no recoil

 

as you say needs a pump or dive bottle

 

pump £ sh or new £100 ish +

 

dive bottle ( depends on size and press) £100 sh or new £130 +

 

pcp's are available in single shot as well as multishot

 

you will be strugling to get a pcp and charge gear for £250.......but you will get a decent springer.

 

cheers

 

sean

[tepper82 0]

pcp = no recoil

 

as you say needs a pump or dive bottle

 

pump £ sh or new £100 ish +

 

dive bottle ( depends on size and press) £100 sh or new £130 +

 

pcp's are available in single shot as well as multishot

 

you will be strugling to get a pcp and charge gear for £250.......but you will get a decent springer.

 

cheers

 

sean

 

cheers mate, i can get the raider for £249 (2 shot model) and can use a mates bottle for a month or so till i get one so that wont be a problem, just seems a little to good to be true owning a pcp, my mates is almost silent, as you say no recoil and dont have to cock the gun for every shot so there must be some drawbacks otherwise everyone would use pcp wouldnt they? Sorry if Im missing obvious advantages/disadvantages but im new to this game!!

[tepper82 0]

also 177 or 22? apologies again if this is an obvious question!!

[Sweeney-Todd 208]

Hi Lee.

 

Welcome to THL. :thumbs.

 

The power will be no more than 12ftlbs with PCP or Spring.( Unless FAC )

Accuracy wise, there is no doubt, that a PCP is much easier to shoot than a Springer.

 

If you apply the basic marksmanship principles you will have good results with both.

 

Your desision mate

 

Just a thought.....if you live near, and shoot with your mate, why dont you get a Raider too, and share the cost's of charging kit

 

 

ATB.

 

 

 

Bill.

[Sweeney-Todd 208]

Look's like we crossed post's.....

[Sweeney-Todd 208]

also 177 or 22? apologies again if this is an obvious question!!

 

 

 

Hi Lee.

 

No appolagie needed mate, its been asked time and time again, and will keep being asked.

 

Again, its up to you to make up your mind realy.

 

Very Basicly.

 

.177 smaller pellet,quicker, with flatter trajectory, shot placement more critical.

 

 

.22 larger pellet, slower, more loopy trajectory, good stopping power.

 

 

Bill.

[tepper82 0]

Hi Lee.

 

Welcome to THL. :thumbs.

 

The power will be no more than 12ftlbs with PCP or Spring.( Unless FAC )

Accuracy wise, there is no doubt, that a PCP is much easier to shoot than a Springer.

 

If you apply the basic marksmanship principles you will have good results with both.

 

Your desision mate

 

Just a thought.....if you live near, and shoot with your mate, why dont you get a Raider too, and share the cost's of charging kit

 

thats a good idea actually, didnt think of that, I sort of like the recoil from a springer, dont know why just gives a better feel i suppose so thats why i wanted to check but if theres not much difference I might just go with the raider, would one of these be alright for dropping a full grown rabbit?

 

thanks for the informative and quick replies lads

 

 

ATB.

 

 

 

Bill.

[aaronpigeonplucker 32]

the debate of .177 or .22 will go on for ever! people often go for .22 for 'stopping power' but since all airgunners should be taking headshots only i don't think this is neccasary. i'm a .177 guy because the .177 has a much flatter trajectory. basically this means, for example, if you have A) 2 identical rifles one being .177 and the other being .22 and B)you both have them zeroed at 30yrds (the pellet is hitting where you put the crosshairs at 30yrd). now you have a rabbit sitting 40yrds away from you BUT you think its 30 yrds away from you, you misjudge the range which i still do, then a .22 pellet will have dropped maybe 2" which wouold have missed and possibly wounded the rabbit. but with a .177 you would still have a dead rabbit as the .177 dose not drop so much over range. thats why i go for .177. this can be fixed by buying a laser range finder but these are quite pricey and sometime you dont have time to fiddle about with a rangefinder before you take the shot and you just have o do it by eye. whatever size pellet you have if you put it through the brain of an animal its dead.

[festa 206]

hi mate

well it all depends on how much you have to spend ...ive always had springers in .22 my last was a pro sport (i wish i still had it )with springers you buy the gun and pellets and sights then off you go the only other cost is more pellets and gear you need when it needs a service

with pcp you buy the gun then you need some sort of pump or bottle,sights,silencer, and pellets so unless you buy a complete 2nd hand set up you'll need to double the price of your gun ie 249 for the gun then another 150/200 for accessories .one of the problems i had when i was converted from .22 spring to pcp its a total different type of shooting with .22 spring you have to think about the curve of the pellet,hold over/under with pcp there is still some hold over/under but no where near the same as springer .another thing with pcp if your gun is not regulated your power will start t drop after so many shots so if you shoot alot you will be looking at a few trips back to the car to fill up with a spring you dont have any of these problems

atm i shoot an AA s510 and its took me a good few months to get used to it just ask the lads on here lol im still looking at getting another pro sport when the funds are in my favour ...

 

with .22 or .177 both will kill out to 45mtrs (thats my best so far this year with .177 )and youll find the gun will most probably out shoot the shooter ... the main differnce between both is tragectry .177 has a flatter trag than .22 again hold over/under will change wind affects .177 alot more than .22 as well a 10mhp wind at 40mtrs is about 2 mil dots on my .177 but with a .22 its probably 1 mil dot

 

 

so really mate its down to personal choice and money whatever you get you will have to train yourself on how to shoot that gun ....

 

 

atb gary

[SEAN3513 7]

well......the downside to a pcp is if you run out of air mid-shoot.......and you are miles from your charging gear always keep it topped up.

 

as for calibre !!!!......shot placement over calibre every time( thats all im going to say on the calibre debate )

 

atb

 

sean

[Phantom 631]

Get one of what ever in each calibre .177 .20 .22 .25

 

That way you can shoot it four times and it should be dead

 

If its still running after that, give up shooting completely :laugh:

 

Phantom

 

 

But apart from that, I'm with Sean

Edited May 3, 2010 by Phantom

[festa 206]

Get one of what ever in each calibre .177 .20 .22 .25

 

That way you can shoot it four times and it should be dead

 

If its still running after that, give up shooting completely :laugh:

 

Phantom

 

 

But apart from that, I'm with Sean

lol shoot it 4 times and if its still alive RUN AWAY!!!

 

atb gary

[tepper82 0]

Get one of what ever in each calibre .177 .20 .22 .25

 

That way you can shoot it four times and it should be dead

 

If its still running after that, give up shooting completely :laugh:

 

Phantom

 

 

But apart from that, I'm with Sean

lol shoot it 4 times and if its still alive RUN AWAY!!!

 

 

atb gary

haha if it takes me 4 shots to drop a rabbit I think i'll be selling the gun and buying a terrier!

 

thanks for the replies lads, got more info in these few posts than i have done reading countless reviews and write ups, just need to pick a rifle now!!! decisions decisions!!

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[Phantom 631]

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