pissed off

[oohmydog 82]

So, lets get this right, you think that the only way to start a terrier off on rats is to release a cage caught rat for them to kill?

 

The natural instinct of a terrier is to chase rats, and if you know what you are doing, it is easy to expose a young dog to plenty of rats. Sooner or later they 'connect'.

 

Do you train your fox dogs by 'bagging' a fox, or chucking a cub into a barrel?

 

I doubt it.

 

But then, it's rats we are discussing, and people rarely credit them with any right to humane treatment.

 

The law is the law, and the law concerning the release of trapped animals has been in force for many years. Once an animal of any sort is caught in a cage trap, it effectively becomes a 'captive' animal, and it is the responsibility of the person who set that trap to ensure it is treated humanely.

 

That means that you cannot drown cage trapped animals; nor may you 'bait' them, or release them to a waiting dog or dogs.

To the first part of your post NO i don,t to the second part of your statement i think if you quoted the law ,to the word on a mornings ratting you would find you brake the law quite a lot if you want a discussion thats fine but dont try and twist my words

[salukiwhippet 6]

How in the course of a morning's ratting would the law be broken then? Do tell.

 

And for your information, I have 2 lurchers and a lakeland terrier, all of which help pay my rent. I didn't even need to start the lurchers off in Pets at Home!

 

James

[Matt 160]

To the first part of your post NO i don,t to the second part of your statement i think if you quoted the law ,to the word on a mornings ratting you would find you brake the law quite a lot if you want a discussion thats fine but dont try and twist my words

 

Twist your words?

 

Lets just look again at your original post:

 

Buy a cage trap bait it with some dog biscuits catch the rat take it to a field with a young dog shake rat out of trap and release your dog {don,t forget to give it a few yards grace}if the dog does not show any intrest try it again but take a gun as well

 

What you suggested is illegal.

 

Then you say:

 

take it you don,t have any dogs , when you dig a rat out do you let your dog drag it from the stop end and kill it let a pup have a look or stand back and let it run ,its not a political subject bringing working pups on you do what you can to help them learn with as little cruelty as possible .

 

Which looks to the casual reader like you know of no other way to start off a terrier.....

 

Now you are suggesting that:

 

on a mornings ratting you would find you brake the law quite a lot

 

How?

 

I've done many 'mornings ratting', and I can't remember ever having to break the law to do it.

[sh 08 17]

Fecking hell the lady only wanted some advice

[MAIN MAN 277]

oops im always putting my foot in it, no harm meant!

[oohmydog 82]

To the first part of your post NO i don,t to the second part of your statement i think if you quoted the law ,to the word on a mornings ratting you would find you brake the law quite a lot if you want a discussion thats fine but dont try and twist my words

 

Twist your words?

 

Lets just look again at your original post:

 

Buy a cage trap bait it with some dog biscuits catch the rat take it to a field with a young dog shake rat out of trap and release your dog {don,t forget to give it a few yards grace}if the dog does not show any intrest try it again but take a gun as well

 

What you suggested is illegal.

 

Then you say:

 

take it you don,t have any dogs , when you dig a rat out do you let your dog drag it from the stop end and kill it let a pup have a look or stand back and let it run ,its not a political subject bringing working pups on you do what you can to help them learn with as little cruelty as possible .

 

Which looks to the casual reader like you know of no other way to start off a terrier.....

 

Now you are suggesting that:

 

on a mornings ratting you would find you brake the law quite a lot

 

How?

 

I've done many 'mornings ratting', and I can't remember ever having to break the law to do it.

I have had many mornings ratting, if you have a rat up a stop end or 4 5 or evan a dozen rats all backed up ,you have young dogs and you let them have a look does this then become baiting or let me guess you would wait for them to bolt

[SEAN3513 7]

please dont hijack other peoples threads with pointless arguements !!!!!

 

 

matt is correct........so lets just leave it at that please

[Matt 160]

:doh:

 

This is getting boring now........

 

:doh:

 

Now who's 'twisting things'?

 

What you describe is a completely different scenario to cage trapping rats and releasing them to waiting terriers.

 

You scenario of rats backed up in a stop end would not result in the law being broken either. 'Baiting' is completely different from encouraging a rat to leave it's natural habitat.

 

I really think that you should study the legal aspects of catching rats before commenting further.

 

As for me, I've made my point, and offered some sensible advice to the original poster. Time to leave this thread alone.

[oohmydog 82]

Sorry for going of thread turbotyke get the yellow pages and ring a professional

[turbotyke 62]

no worrys the only pups i have is a lurcher pup and a springer pup so i would not do that anyway iv had a word with next door they said they had them last year but didnt say that they were going to do anything about it

[Matt 160]

Occupiers of land are legally obliged to control rats.

 

If they won't do anything about it, contact your local authority and they will enforce the law.

 

Anyone with rats in and around their dwelling should go to the LA as the first step. They usually offer free, or subsidised visits to deal with rats.

[turbotyke 62]

thanks ill have a propper chat to her and what they can pass to her kids then she might pull her finger out her ass

[gonetoearth 5,144]

ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

sorry about that just felt like

screeming if you know what i mean

Edited April 26, 2010 by gonetoearth

[turbotyke 62]

yes i know what you mean i feel the same

[turbotyke 62]

the rat man has just been and put some rodenticide down hes back in a week so hope that sorts the little feckers out

thanks for all the info atb jenna