BASC and NL&RC

[stabba 10,745]

Easy,,just boycott their shows and slate their name every chance you get

[jeterrier 4]

the facts are there is no law in scotland to say docked dogs or pups cannot be shown,so why impose a rule that isnt needed,its just ridiculous.

secondly lets not be under any illusion that you are pro bull cross because thats crap.

The NLRC show in the north east would be losing alot of entries if it didnt cater for bull crosses.simple as.

[kevinyo01 4]

I joined the nlrc last year, a I won't be renewing it this year.

They only hold one show in Scotland and at that they only put

On half the show they put on down south. Linda Vaun can't even get my name

And street name correct on any corrispondance. She can't reply to

E-mails. As for BASC, why should we support them when they won't

Show Lurchers at Scone. So why should we spend our hard earned cash

To fund the NLRC when they can't support any other show in Scotland

And put on the same type of show's they put on in England.

Any thoughts

[gonetoearth 5,144]

Easy,,just boycott their shows and slate their name every chance you get

stabba that is the easy option , the fact is this club

has took it upon its self too ban docked terriers

across the the UK , when it is legal to show working

terriers , it seems they are a law unto them selves

and like all dictatorships don't like criticism, the

bull x issue seems to expose at bit of snobbery but as

ive said before , There are enough bonafide working

terrier and lurcher shows out there support them

and keep using you dogs for the purpose they were

bred for ,

["Earth!" 503]

it tickles me a few months ago i put word around i was holding a FMWTC show on one of the origional 'Lambourn Show' grounds then i see the NL&RC have suddenly republished their 'Lambourn Show' book . im expecting a telephone call from the NL&RC at some point asking if i would sell some of their books OR if they can attend with a stand.makes no odds either way but ive had alot of interest from a few of their members regarding my simulated coursing

[kevinyo01 4]

There is still the fact of one show in Scotland

Or is it you all are worried about docked tails.

The point I am makeing is the NLRC discrimante against

The Scottish supporters. They just want to have it all

All their own way.

[kevinyo01 4]

If the Moderators will allow me to post this twice? in this section and in the Gamefair and event thread, as it's important that its seen by as many folk as possible

 

In Scotland there are no restrictions on showing docked pups, or dogs of any age that are docked but!! it is unlawfull to dock pups

 

BASC and The National Lurcher & Racing Club are holding a Lurcher and Terrier event at the BASC Game Fair at Cardross on May 8th

 

In their advertising the NL&RC state "No terrier docked after 21st March 2007 to be shown"

 

It's not illegal to show docked Terriers in Scotland!!!

 

"There will be no Terrier puppy classes"

 

Its not illegal to show Docked or undocked Terrier puppy's in Scotland!!

 

 

 

 

The contact tel no's for this event is 01773 835291 or 07801454897

 

BASC and NL&RC are trying to impose restrictions and a code of practice that does'nt apply to Scotland, we have our own legislation in place

 

 

I would ask any self respecting member of the NL&RC to consider their membership of this organisation as a mark of solidarity and support towards their fellow working dog enthusists "THE TERRIER MAN"

 

Tom

 

 

Has BASC given a legit reason as to why they won't hold

A Lurcher show at Scone? Also why is it that the NLRC only have

One show in Scotland, not as large as any in Enlgand or Wales?

[kevinyo01 4]

In reply to fox gun Tom

 

It is a shame that he needs to get down to a level of throwing insults (see header).

 

The NL&RC are first and foremost a Lurcher club, we do terriers when asked at Game Fairs but have always been happy to give any terrier show to a terrier organization. We do a terrier show at our grass roots shows mainly for the benifit of anyone who has both Lurchers and Terriers

With regards to the NL&RC not doing puppy classes at Game Fairs, we took advice from the NWTF who told us that we should air on the side of caution and not include terrier puppies at any show where the public pay to come in to the show. The show at Cardross is a pay to enter Game fair, in fact we did put terrier pups on at the BASC Game Keepers Fair at Catton last week because our part of the fair was free admission.

With regards to the point about solidarity, What is Tom offering in place of the NL&RC. I do not see him running events throughout the country for his fellow terrier and Lurcher supporters, and incedently everyone who helps the NL&RC does so at there own expense as they do it for the good of the dog, not profit and self gratification, also in the light of fairness our on site volunteers give up their rights to show their dogs in qualifying classes at one day shows.

I cannot help but wonder if the problem between Fox Gun and the NL&RC and BASC is because he did not get what he wanted when he came to see us at Cardross a few years ago

 

 

With regard to the Bull cross question, we do not do bull crosses in the same way that we do not do collie classes, saluki classes etc. They are all lurchers.

 

How come you only do one show in scotland and its only showing

With a small race? You don't do the same at Cardoss as you would

down south

[kevinyo01 4]

In reply to fox gun Tom

 

It is a shame that he needs to get down to a level of throwing insults (see header).

 

The NL&RC are first and foremost a Lurcher club, we do terriers when asked at Game Fairs but have always been happy to give any terrier show to a terrier organization. We do a terrier show at our grass roots shows mainly for the benifit of anyone who has both Lurchers and Terriers

With regards to the NL&RC not doing puppy classes at Game Fairs, we took advice from the NWTF who told us that we should air on the side of caution and not include terrier puppies at any show where the public pay to come in to the show. The show at Cardross is a pay to enter Game fair, in fact we did put terrier pups on at the BASC Game Keepers Fair at Catton last week because our part of the fair was free admission.

With regards to the point about solidarity, What is Tom offering in place of the NL&RC. I do not see him running events throughout the country for his fellow terrier and Lurcher supporters, and incedently everyone who helps the NL&RC does so at there own expense as they do it for the good of the dog, not profit and self gratification, also in the light of fairness our on site volunteers give up their rights to show their dogs in qualifying classes at one day shows.

I cannot help but wonder if the problem between Fox Gun and the NL&RC and BASC is because he did not get what he wanted when he came to see us at Cardross a few years ago

 

 

With regard to the Bull cross question, we do not do bull crosses in the same way that we do not do collie classes, saluki classes etc. They are all lurchers.

 

How come you only do one show in scotland and its only showing

With a small race? You don't do the same at Cardoss as you would

down south

 

Can anyone from the nlrc respond to my query.

Maybe you don't want to give an answer to us Scot's

Who spent their hard earned cash to join your club.

Some cheek. Take the money to fund show's in England.

Edited April 28, 2010 by kevinyo01

[Catcher 1 639]

Most of you lot couldent lace Tom boot,s

[whin 463]

ps the nlrc and alot more clubs are far from working lurchers i was in the nlrc years ago and went to meetings there was hardly a working dog man there mit was all who one that show racing etc and bitching about nothing ,an dthat was 17 years ago when we had more freedom , cant imagine whats it like now since the hunting ban came along ,charlatans to real working dog men for sure, showing racing etc but dont ever describe them as aworking dog club

[Foxgun Tom 75]

BASC don't run The Scottish Game Fair at Scone!! therefore they are not responsible for not running a Lurcher show there!!!

 

Tom

 

If the Moderators will allow me to post this twice? in this section and in the Gamefair and event thread, as it's important that its seen by as many folk as possible

 

In Scotland there are no restrictions on showing docked pups, or dogs of any age that are docked but!! it is unlawfull to dock pups

 

BASC and The National Lurcher & Racing Club are holding a Lurcher and Terrier event at the BASC Game Fair at Cardross on May 8th

 

In their advertising the NL&RC state "No terrier docked after 21st March 2007 to be shown"

 

It's not illegal to show docked Terriers in Scotland!!!

 

"There will be no Terrier puppy classes"

 

Its not illegal to show Docked or undocked Terrier puppy's in Scotland!!

 

 

 

 

The contact tel no's for this event is 01773 835291 or 07801454897

 

BASC and NL&RC are trying to impose restrictions and a code of practice that does'nt apply to Scotland, we have our own legislation in place

 

 

I would ask any self respecting member of the NL&RC to consider their membership of this organisation as a mark of solidarity and support towards their fellow working dog enthusists "THE TERRIER MAN"

 

Tom

 

 

Has BASC given a legit reason as to why they won't hold

A Lurcher show at Scone? Also why is it that the NLRC only have

One show in Scotland, not as large as any in Enlgand or Wales?

[Colm 2]

Take it your not going to Cardross Tam : )

 

Colm

[Barrie 1,325]

Could I say at the outset that Im not having a pop at any particular person with my comments. But this thread (along with a couple of others) offers an opportunity to get something off my chest, whilst hopefully also contributing something towards the discussions. This thread just happens to be the most current and therefore seemed the most appropriate.

 

First of all its a simple fact of life that not everyone gets everything right all of the time…. and that includes me too (at least thats according to the wife, and considering she sends me out with a full belly and a clean set of underwear each day, Id be an even bigger fool than I already am to disagree).

 

But we seem to have lost sight of the real issues here, including the reason why were faced with such restrictions and who the real guilty parties are. The truth is that its this present Government whove imposed these and numerous other restrictions on both us and on our various activities. Theyve done it with little if any real justification and simply pursued a particular line of political dogma. Yet were only days away from a General Election and I dont see anyone blaming or attacking them, instead we seem more inclined to turn around and squabble amongst ourselves.

 

I also wonder just how many of those whove now suddenly become so vocal about tail docking actually took the time to respond to any of the consultation papers put out by this Government. Or how many have since bothered to contact Vote-Ok to offer their services in order to help get more pro hunting/countryside MPs elected to govern. Those who didnt should take their fair share of the blame too.

 

It doesnt just end there, due to the increased popularity of so called status dogs theres now further legislation under consideration and this could have far greater implications for us all than any restrictions on where we can, or cannot show our docked dogs. If approved, these proposals would require every dog owner to have each of their dogs microchipped and to take out third party liability insurance on each dog (think about it). This is something which will be well supported by most of the animal welfare/rights groups, it fits in nicely with their own political agenda of making dog ownership more difficult and expensive, and therefore less attractive. It will be a hard one for us to win.

 

The full details are available at DEFRA Dangerous Dogs Consultation , responses need to be in by 1st June and anyone whos so inclined can respond by completing the online questionnaire at the above address. Its an opportunity for those who really do care to do something about it, instead of complaining about it after the event.

 

Following on from decisions made by the Great Yorkshire Show and others regarding the showing of docked dogs, its also interesting to note some of the suggestions being been put forward on this and other threads about which shows to support and which not.

 

Equally interesting is the fact that when the Governments White Paper was published there was to be NO EXEMPTIONS FOR WORKING TERRIERS from the tail docking ban, the only exemptions being limited to specific working gundog breeds. It was only as result of the NWTFs direct intervention and skilful arguing that decision was eventually rescinded and our terriers are able to be docked today.

 

Yet surprisingly enough theres not one single person who has suggested the need to support the only show which has actually done something to earn that support.

 

J.M.H.O. - Barrie

Edited April 29, 2010 by Barrie

[Foxgun Tom 75]

Hi Barrie

Glad to see your comments! and I'd like to re-iterate I have notheing but the greatest respect and admiration for the "NWTF" and you personally!!

 

The problem here is that the NL&RC were ignorant of the issues here in Scotland, despite!! them being made aware of it.

 

I as a Scot's terrier man cannot show my working terrier which is legally docked/microchipped in England! at a show in Scotland because the organisers of that show are imposing the tail docking law's of another country (England) that's just a nonsense and fudamentally wrong!!

 

I have been at demonstrations here in Scotland outside the Scottish parliement in Edinburgh in support of tail docking, I also just don't keep or work terriers I also have German Shorthaired Pointers these, are also a docked breed

 

Tom

 

Ps: I'm the lad with the GSP at this Tail docking demonstration at the Scottish Parliement in Edinburgh click on the link:

 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/player/nol/newsid_4740000/newsid_4744400/4744400.stm?bw=bb&mp=wm