BASC and NL&RC

[Tesco 28]

Are bull xs banned from being shown or is there no seperate class for them, big differance

[zigzag dan 784]

  On 24/04/2010 at 21:57, Tesco said:

Are bull xs banned from being shown or is there no seperate class for them, big differance

No seperate classess but their judges are never bull friendly , in the Midlands they tend to use a certain man and wife who have made their feelings very well known !

[Strong Stuff 2,171]

  On 24/04/2010 at 21:09, zigzag dan said:

Its obvious that its bullx owners they dislike not just the actual dogs !

 

Dead on as always!

 

Have asked at a NLRC show about Bull X classes, and was told "Oh no, we don't have anything to do with those" and given one of those looks ..............

 

 

I've only come into these running dogs late in life, but it seems dog politics are dog politics wherever you go, there's the real dogs that can do the job (fit for purpose), then there's those that look similar that get pranced around.

 

 

To be fair though, in my experience, the owners of those Bull bred type Lurchers are in the main, big nasty rough boys

[gonetoearth 5,144]

COLLINS ENGLISH DICTIONARY,LURCHER,crossbred dog trained to hunt

silentley.

 

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[Foxgun Tom 75]

Just had an irate lady from the NL&RC (Linda Vaughan) on the phone re: this post!! She wanted to know why I had'nt raised the issue in the last four years, I stated I raised the same issue last year!! and the advert in the CMW was not the same wording as previous years?

 

I also informed her I had taken legal advice this morning and have a further apointment tomorrow!! the tail docking issue aside, what really pissed me off was that the NLRC were trying to and have in the past? imposed legistlation that is contradictory to Scots law in relation to the showing of certain breeds (docked terriers) No ban is in place in Scotland and the NL&RC have ignored the law of the land??

 

The situation is if I want to show my legally docked (in England) Sporting Lucas Terrier pup at Cardross at the show run by the NL&RC I can't yet

 

yet!!Scottish legislation say's its legal to do so!!

 

In my opinion? effectively as a Scot I'm being discriminated against in my own country by the NL&RC who are implementing English tail docking legislation here in Scotland? on a matter that's a devolved issue

 

If I and other Scots terrier owners, who have legally docked dogs are informed that we are being discriminated against after taking further legal advice, (thats more than just offensive?) I told the lady from the NL&RC (Linda Vaughan) that I will take further action on the grounds of discrimination if advised??

 

This show is advertised in Scotland, held in Scotland and comes under some Scottish devolved matters any legal action would be under Scottish jurisdiction

 

I also asked for a compromise!! that was declined I asked for a full apology for offence caused

 

There is no cause or grounds to implement further tail docking legislation in Scotlad from outside the country! "We have enough of the crap""

 

We Scots have no right to impose our laws/rules or conditions on the rest of the UK why did the NL&RC impose conditions on Scots terrier enthusiasts for four years and why do they continue to do so??

 

Tom

 

Ps: I was also told off for describing the NL&RC as "FECKIN IDIOTS!" I humbly apologise :oops: They are in fact!! "IGNORANT, ARROGANT FECKIN IDIOTS": :wankerzo4: or as anyone a better term to describe them??

Edited April 26, 2010 by Foxgun Tom

[gonetoearth 5,144]

  On 26/04/2010 at 15:22, Foxgun Tom said:

Just had an irate lady from the NL&RC (Linda Vaughan) on the phone re: this post!! She wanted to know why I had'nt raised the issue in the last four years, I stated I raised the same issue last year!! and the advert in the CMW was not the same wording as previous years?

 

I also informed her I had taken legal advice this morning and have a further apointment tomorrow!! the tail docking issue aside, what really pissed me off was that the NLRC were trying to and have in the past? imposed legistlation that is contradictory to Scots law in relation to the showing of certain breeds (docked terriers) No ban is in place in Scotland and the NL&RC have ignored the law of the land??

 

The situation is if I want to show my legally docked (in England) Sporting Lucas Terrier pup at Cardross at the show run by the NL&RC I can't yet Scottish legislation say's its legal to do so!!

 

In my opinion? effectively as a Scot I'm being discriminated against in my own country by the NL&RC who are implementing English legislation here in Scotland on a matter that's a devolved issue

 

If I and other Scots terrier owners, who have legally docked dogs are informed that we are being discriminated against after taking further legal advice, (thats more than just offensive?) I told the lady from the NL&RC (Linda Vaughan) that I will take further action on the grounds of discrimination

 

This show is advertised in Scotland, held in Scotland and comes under some Scottish devolved matters any legal action would be under Scottish jurisdiction

 

I also asked for a compromise!! that was declined I asked for a full apology for offence caused

 

There is no cause or grounds to implement further tail docking legislation in Scotlad from outside the country! "We have enough of the crap"" [/b]

 

We Scots have no right to impose our laws/rules or coditions on the rest of the UK why did the NL&RC impose conditions on Scots terrier enthusiasts for four years and why do they continue to do so??

 

Tom

 

Ps: I was also told of for describing the NL&RC as "FECKIN IDIOTS!" I humbly apologise :oops: The are in fact!! "IGNORANT, ARROGANT FECKIN IDIOTS" :wankerzo4:

AND DONT BE TURNING UP IN A KILT WITH A FOX SPORAN EITHER TAM

[tango 221]

  On 26/04/2010 at 15:38, gonetoearth said:

  On 26/04/2010 at 15:22, Foxgun Tom said:

Just had an irate lady from the NL&RC (Linda Vaughan) on the phone re: this post!! She wanted to know why I had'nt raised the issue in the last four years, I stated I raised the same issue last year!! and the advert in the CMW was not the same wording as previous years?

 

I also informed her I had taken legal advice this morning and have a further apointment tomorrow!! the tail docking issue aside, what really pissed me off was that the NLRC were trying to and have in the past? imposed legistlation that is contradictory to Scots law in relation to the showing of certain breeds (docked terriers) No ban is in place in Scotland and the NL&RC have ignored the law of the land??

 

The situation is if I want to show my legally docked (in England) Sporting Lucas Terrier pup at Cardross at the show run by the NL&RC I can't yet Scottish legislation say's its legal to do so!!

 

In my opinion? effectively as a Scot I'm being discriminated against in my own country by the NL&RC who are implementing English legislation here in Scotland on a matter that's a devolved issue

 

If I and other Scots terrier owners, who have legally docked dogs are informed that we are being discriminated against after taking further legal advice, (thats more than just offensive?) I told the lady from the NL&RC (Linda Vaughan) that I will take further action on the grounds of discrimination

 

This show is advertised in Scotland, held in Scotland and comes under some Scottish devolved matters any legal action would be under Scottish jurisdiction

 

I also asked for a compromise!! that was declined I asked for a full apology for offence caused

 

There is no cause or grounds to implement further tail docking legislation in Scotlad from outside the country! "We have enough of the crap"" [/b]

 

We Scots have no right to impose our laws/rules or coditions on the rest of the UK why did the NL&RC impose conditions on Scots terrier enthusiasts for four years and why do they continue to do so??

 

Tom

 

Ps: I was also told of for describing the NL&RC as "FECKIN IDIOTS!" I humbly apologise :oops: The are in fact!! "IGNORANT, ARROGANT FECKIN IDIOTS" :wankerzo4:

AND DONT BE TURNING UP IN A KILT WITH A FOX SPORAN EITHER TAM

i can just see you now in the cmw shortly winning the pup class sporan and all tom,good luck

[terrier.2 123]

as i and countless others have said she will be the down fall of what was once a good club...one of the nicest men i have had the pleasure of meeting has now resigned from this club due to the uncomrimising politics that surrounds them....last year we held a charity show and applied for chatsworth qualifier(which costs five pounds)we were granted the qualifier until it was brought to my attention that i had wrote the wrong date on the form,,i was 24 hours out...she then thought it right to have printed that our show was disqualified for breaking NLRC rules thought it was just a dog show not court....is this person not just the secretary??? maybes i m wrong!!!! oh and she would not return our five pounds that we said was to go back into our charity pot and you tell me its not about money,so is my fiver in her arse pocket!!!!!

Edited April 26, 2010 by terrier.2

[gonetoearth 5,144]

  On 26/04/2010 at 21:03, terrier.2 said:

as i and countless others have said she will be the down fall of what was once a good club...one of the nicest men i have had the pleasure of meeting has now resigned from this club due to the uncomrimising politics that surrounds them....last year we held a charity show and applied for chatsworth qualifier(which costs five pounds)we were granted the qualifier until it was brought to my attention that i had wrote the wrong date on the form,,i was 24 hours out...she then thought it right to have printed that our show was disqualified for breaking NLRC rules thought it was just a dog show not court....is this person not just the secretary??? maybes i m wrong!!!! oh and she would return our five pounds that we said was to go back into our charity pot and you tell me its not about money,so is my fiver in her arse pocket!!!!!

THESE SO CALLED CLUBS ARE NOW BEING EXPOSED FOR WHAT THEY ARE

ITS TIME TO GO BACK TO THE REAL TERRIER AND LURCHER WORKING

DOG SHOWS ,

["Earth!" 503]

  On 26/04/2010 at 21:17, gonetoearth said:

  On 26/04/2010 at 21:03, terrier.2 said:

as i and countless others have said she will be the down fall of what was once a good club...one of the nicest men i have had the pleasure of meeting has now resigned from this club due to the uncomrimising politics that surrounds them....last year we held a charity show and applied for chatsworth qualifier(which costs five pounds)we were granted the qualifier until it was brought to my attention that i had wrote the wrong date on the form,,i was 24 hours out...she then thought it right to have printed that our show was disqualified for breaking NLRC rules thought it was just a dog show not court....is this person not just the secretary??? maybes i m wrong!!!! oh and she would return our five pounds that we said was to go back into our charity pot and you tell me its not about money,so is my fiver in her arse pocket!!!!!

THESE SO CALLED CLUBS ARE NOW BEING EXPOSED FOR WHAT THEY ARE

ITS TIME TO GO BACK TO THE REAL TERRIER AND LURCHER WORKING

DOG SHOWS ,

[freespirit 11]

  On 23/04/2010 at 14:35, Strong Stuff said:

  On 23/04/2010 at 12:38, Foxgun Tom said:

If the Moderators will allow me to post this twice? in this section and in the Gamefair and event thread, as it's important that its seen by as many folk as possible

 

In Scotland there are no restrictions on showing docked pups, or dogs of any age that are docked but!! it is unlawfull to dock pups

 

BASC and The National Lurcher & Racing Club are holding a Lurcher and Terrier event at the BASC Game Fair at Cardross on May 8th

 

In their advertising the NL&RC state "No terrier docked after 21st March 2007 to be shown"

 

It's not illegal to show docked Terriers in Scotland!!!

 

"There will be no Terrier puppy classes"

 

Its not illegal to show Docked or undocked Terrier puppy's in Scotland!!

 

 

The contact tel no's for this event is 01773 835291 or 07801454897

 

BASC and NL&RC are trying to impose restrictions and a code of practice that does'nt apply to Scotland, we have our own legislation in place

 

 

I would ask any self respecting member of the NL&RC to consider their membership of this organisation as a mark of solidarity and support towards their fellow working dog enthusists "THE TERRIER MAN"

 

Tom

 

NLRC are the organisation that don't have Bull X classes at their shows either .................

 

Not strictly so Strong Stuff, I run a show for the NLRC in the north east and I can tell you that I have qualifiers for two BULL X championships and have class's for Terrier Pups so whats the problem with people out there, do they just like confrontation !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[gonetoearth 5,144]

  On 26/04/2010 at 21:35, freespirit said:

  On 23/04/2010 at 14:35, Strong Stuff said:

  On 23/04/2010 at 12:38, Foxgun Tom said:

If the Moderators will allow me to post this twice? in this section and in the Gamefair and event thread, as it's important that its seen by as many folk as possible

 

In Scotland there are no restrictions on showing docked pups, or dogs of any age that are docked but!! it is unlawfull to dock pups

 

BASC and The National Lurcher & Racing Club are holding a Lurcher and Terrier event at the BASC Game Fair at Cardross on May 8th

 

In their advertising the NL&RC state "No terrier docked after 21st March 2007 to be shown"

 

It's not illegal to show docked Terriers in Scotland!!!

 

"There will be no Terrier puppy classes"

 

Its not illegal to show Docked or undocked Terrier puppy's in Scotland!!

 

 

The contact tel no's for this event is 01773 835291 or 07801454897

 

BASC and NL&RC are trying to impose restrictions and a code of practice that does'nt apply to Scotland, we have our own legislation in place

 

 

I would ask any self respecting member of the NL&RC to consider their membership of this organisation as a mark of solidarity and support towards their fellow working dog enthusists "THE TERRIER MAN"

 

Tom

 

NLRC are the organisation that don't have Bull X classes at their shows either .................

 

Not strictly so Strong Stuff, I run a show for the NLRC in the north east and I can tell you that I have qualifiers for two BULL X championships and have class's for Terrier Pups so whats the problem with people out there, do they just like confrontation !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

NO MATE WERE FIGHTING FOR WORKING TERRIERS AND YOUR CLUB HAS CHOSEN TO BAN

DOCKED TERRIERS YOUR CLUBS CHOICE , DID YOU EXPECT THE SCOTTISH LADS TO SIT

BACK AND TAKE IT WHEN THERE IS NO BAN ON ANY DOCKED BREED BEING SHOWN

YOUR CLUB IS EITHER WITH US OR AGAINST US ,AS FOR THE BULL X THE LADS ON

HERE ARE TALKING FROM EXPERIENCE

[Strong Stuff 2,171]

  On 26/04/2010 at 21:35, freespirit said:

 

 

Not strictly so Strong Stuff, I run a show for the NLRC in the north east and I can tell you that I have qualifiers for two BULL X championships and have class's for Terrier Pups so whats the problem with people out there, do they just like confrontation !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

 

Good for you, sincerely I mean that.

 

When I asked at an NLRC show last year I was told they don't have classes for "that type of dogs", all I've said is what was told by an NLRC official.

 

No axe to grind here, I own a working dog that I like to enter into the odd show here and there, I was offended at being looked down on.

[Foxgun Tom 75]

Its not that I like confrontation! its the fact that tail docking legislation from another part of the UK is and was forced/foisted upon us here in Scotland by an organisation that has'nt a clue!!:censored:and was ignorant of the fact they were doing wrong.

 

The may also have discriminated against myself and fellow Scot's (a matter which is way far more serious if applicable?)

 

If there is a case for discrimination it could mean the whole commitee of the NL&RC are responsible and liable and not just one person?

 

A section of terrier men in Scotland and me personally who are involved in the running of terrier show's, all we would like, is a compromise and an apology! I've also been told by the NL&RC (Linda Vaughan) that the same advert will appear in this weeks Countrymans Weekly?

 

I've also pm'd a member of the NL&RC on this forum twice and have not had the courtesy of a reply? but that's only to be expected

 

Tom

 

  On 26/04/2010 at 21:35, freespirit said:

  On 23/04/2010 at 14:35, Strong Stuff said:

  On 23/04/2010 at 12:38, Foxgun Tom said:

If the Moderators will allow me to post this twice? in this section and in the Gamefair and event thread, as it's important that its seen by as many folk as possible

 

In Scotland there are no restrictions on showing docked pups, or dogs of any age that are docked but!! it is unlawfull to dock pups

 

BASC and The National Lurcher & Racing Club are holding a Lurcher and Terrier event at the BASC Game Fair at Cardross on May 8th

 

In their advertising the NL&RC state "No terrier docked after 21st March 2007 to be shown"

 

It's not illegal to show docked Terriers in Scotland!!!

 

"There will be no Terrier puppy classes"

 

Its not illegal to show Docked or undocked Terrier puppy's in Scotland!!

 

 

The contact tel no's for this event is 01773 835291 or 07801454897

 

BASC and NL&RC are trying to impose restrictions and a code of practice that does'nt apply to Scotland, we have our own legislation in place

 

 

I would ask any self respecting member of the NL&RC to consider their membership of this organisation as a mark of solidarity and support towards their fellow working dog enthusists "THE TERRIER MAN"

 

Tom

 

NLRC are the organisation that don't have Bull X classes at their shows either .................

 

Not strictly so Strong Stuff, I run a show for the NLRC in the north east and I can tell you that I have qualifiers for two BULL X championships and have class's for Terrier Pups so whats the problem with people out there, do they just like confrontation !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Edited April 26, 2010 by Foxgun Tom

[MRD 3]

I can recall many many years ago when Linda Vaughan first started "racing" at the shows. Anyway .... my dog having won the puppy racing and her dog winning the adult Lurcher racing she suggested that we both raced the pair to see overall "quickest/fastest dog" Very silly on her part as she was not very immpressed when my 11 month old WORKING pup made her Adult Lurcher look very silly. i've never liked her since, Just thought i'd share that. MRD ;But thats only my view.