A great example of a "tolling" terriers....

[Aaron Proffitt 142]

  On 19/04/2010 at 20:08, goldfinch2007 said:

fairplay aaron.i thought you was buffalo bill for a minute.good post

 

 

 

Certainly not Buffalo Bill....more like an Annie Oakley wanna-be.

 

However, using Airedales in coyote depredation is not a new activity. Check out this archives pic I found of guy named "Coyote Jack" and his family from Oregon.

 

 

Edited April 19, 2010 by Aaron Proffitt

[Daveo 61]

Thats amazing, i had no idea that was possible

[Aaron Proffitt 142]

  On 19/04/2010 at 20:23, Daveo said:

Thats amazing, i had no idea that was possible

 

 

 

Thanks, Daveo....pretty much echoes my thoughts of when I saw pics of some of the digs you guys have done.

Edited April 19, 2010 by Aaron Proffitt

[skycat 6,174]

Quite amazing that footage: those coyotes are really weird: you wouldn't get a wolf behaving like that would you! How I'd love to come over and see them for real, plus a few other types of hunting we don't have in the UK. Maybe some day when the boat comes in LOL

 

AP: I think my Airedale has some of those lines in her, but as none of her breeding is written down I just keep forgetting what the guy told me: doh! Whatever, they are, in my inexeperienced opinion, one of the most versatile and intelligent dogs around. And I thank you guys over there for keeping those working lines going when the Brits were transforming these dogs into curly fluffy brain dead show ponies.

[UphillDoc 278]

  On 19/04/2010 at 17:27, Dux said:

  On 18/04/2010 at 07:15, skycat said:

Obviously an Airedale is more than a match for a fox in the UK, so do these tolling dogs never actually just kill the coyote without a shot having to be fired? Or is it down to speed: coyote just too fast for the Airedales? (was the tussle in the slide show on a wounded coyote?)

 

Some of the larger dogs will kill the yote. As for speed, I think most people around here rely more on stamina. I've known several people that let out packs of dogs in the evening so they can go out and kill yotes. Airdales, Belgian Malnois, etc. IMHO, it's irresponsible not to accompany the dogs. Besides, the fun is in working with them as a team!

 

WTG Aaron, you nailed all the relevant points perfectly!

 

Dux-I think them fellas may have been tellin you a story...I seriously doubt a pack of Airedales or Malnois could even stay with a coyote long enough to make it take a deep breath, let alone run one down and kill it. There are LOTS of coyote hounds than can run the air out of one and still cant/wont kill it without help. Coyotes will pick apart a big dog by itself easily.

 

skycat-Most Airedales nowadays cant/wont kill a healthy coyote one on one.

 

Take care.

[Aaron Proffitt 142]

  On 20/04/2010 at 16:20, UphillDoc said:

  On 19/04/2010 at 17:27, Dux said:

  On 18/04/2010 at 07:15, skycat said:

Obviously an Airedale is more than a match for a fox in the UK, so do these tolling dogs never actually just kill the coyote without a shot having to be fired? Or is it down to speed: coyote just too fast for the Airedales? (was the tussle in the slide show on a wounded coyote?)

 

Some of the larger dogs will kill the yote. As for speed, I think most people around here rely more on stamina. I've known several people that let out packs of dogs in the evening so they can go out and kill yotes. Airdales, Belgian Malnois, etc. IMHO, it's irresponsible not to accompany the dogs. Besides, the fun is in working with them as a team!

 

WTG Aaron, you nailed all the relevant points perfectly!

 

 

skycat-Most Airedales nowadays cant/wont kill a healthy coyote one on one.

 

Take care.

 

 

Cough,cough... 'bullshit !!'

 

Must've had something in my throat ...

 

I believe the drive is still there in alot of 'em, I just don't know if they realize what that feeling is.

 

But , I am glad we still have alot of working lines here to choose from.

Wouldn't give you a wooden nickle for a supposed 'Oorang' Airedale, though.

Edited April 21, 2010 by Aaron Proffitt

[UphillDoc 278]

Aaron-Are you callin bullshit on MY post?

 

Take care.

[Aaron Proffitt 142]

  On 21/04/2010 at 00:45, UphillDoc said:

Aaron-Are you callin bullshit on MY post?

 

Take care.

 

 

 

In a light hearted manner, I suppose , Doc.

 

I don't completely agree as even the supposed show Airedales here have shown a disposition to work whether their owners want them to or not.

 

Don't get me wrong, I got my pups where I did for a reason....cause I know what their ancestry is capable of , and didn't buy the first ones I saw in the paper because I don't want to have to wonder.

 

But, I do think that the desire to work is still very much there in 'em.

[UphillDoc 278]

  On 21/04/2010 at 00:56, Aaron Proffitt said:

  On 21/04/2010 at 00:45, UphillDoc said:

Aaron-Are you callin bullshit on MY post?

 

Take care.

 

 

 

In a light hearted manner, I suppose , Doc.

 

I don't completely agree as even the supposed show Airedales here have shown a disposition to work whether their owners want them to or not.

 

Don't get me wrong, I got my pups where I did for a reason....cause I know what their ancestry is capable of , and didn't buy the first ones I saw in the paper because I don't want to have to wonder.

 

But, I do think that the desire to work is still very much there in 'em.

 

Aaron-The desire to do some work and the desire/ability to kill a healthy adult coyote one on one are miles apart. Just take a look back at the video you posted. Mickle does not make her move until after the coyote has been shot. A true killer wouldnt be waiting for the shot first! You can see her standing in front of the coyote hesitating, and even when moving into it she is shouldering it, rather than diving into the throat. Plenty of dogs will look like killers if they have company, and even more will look rough after they hear the gun,(they know what that means... )

Not a knock on Airedales, as much as it is a reality check. I have had plenty of Airedales in the field tryin to find one like the "dogs of old" (even had some from John Henry and Matt Thom) They are nice all around type dogs, but VERY FEW are the true killers they are built up to be by folks that really dont know if its true or not, IMO.

 

Take care.

 

Oh and you buy what Dux posted, but you call bullshit on what I said...

Edited April 21, 2010 by UphillDoc

[Aaron Proffitt 142]

  On 21/04/2010 at 01:10, UphillDoc said:

  On 21/04/2010 at 00:56, Aaron Proffitt said:

  On 21/04/2010 at 00:45, UphillDoc said:

Aaron-Are you callin bullshit on MY post?

 

Take care.

 

 

 

In a light hearted manner, I suppose , Doc.

 

I don't completely agree as even the supposed show Airedales here have shown a disposition to work whether their owners want them to or not.

 

Don't get me wrong, I got my pups where I did for a reason....cause I know what their ancestry is capable of , and didn't buy the first ones I saw in the paper because I don't want to have to wonder.

 

But, I do think that the desire to work is still very much there in 'em.

 

(even had some from John Henry and Matt Thom) They are nice all around type dogs, but VERY FEW are the true killers they are built up to be by folks that really dont know if its true or not, IMO.

 

Take care.

 

Oh and you buy what Dux posted, but you call bullshit on what I said...

 

 

Off topic , perhaps, but how do you know Matt and John ?

 

My two pups are somehow the result of an accidental breeding between one of John's dogs and one of Matt's bitches who came into heat while she was at John's house.The breeding took place and Katy was born...Katy is now owned by Andy, who also owns Tagger.

 

I have two of Katy's pups.

Anyway, it's my understanding it caused a bit of a riff between Matt and John.

 

Anyway, my first exposure to Airedales was when I worked for the BIA and was working on a depredation thing with the USDA . Guy from Colorado came up & was doing some denning work and Airedales were what he used....they seemed pretty effective.