A great example of a "tolling" terriers....

[Aaron Proffitt 142]

Not wanting to de-rail SGS's thread further, I thought I would expand a bit on one way terriers are used alot here in the US ....as 'tollers' or decoy dogs during predator calling.

 

A couple of factors arise when calling predators here. One is a disinterested coyote....he may come in for a time and then simply have seat; at 400 yards out. A toller helps finish the job by drawing the coyote in by challenging it's territorial instinct.

 

Secondly,as an indicator for coyotes that cruise in but remain unseen. What looks like very open country completely changes when one takes a seat in buffalo grass. At that point, visibility drops drastically. A dog,however, senses an approaching coyote and goes on alert and begins to engage it. And the shooters can take it from there.

 

Lastly, recovery. I don't care how good of a shot you are ; at some point you will wing a predator. And predators the world over have fur that absorbs blood like a sponge making tracking very difficult. Too add, because I harvest fur I use the smallest caliber that will kill a coyote quickly without leaving gaping wounds.As long as I do my part at least....and being human, sometimes I'm not the dead-eye savant. Even then, a coyote might only dash 50 yards before piling up. Without a dog that coyote might be otherwise lost....with a dog, that's another fur going off to market.

 

Here are some examples posted by a friend of mine on another site illustrating how terriers actively engage a coyote completely divert it's attention away from the shooter and draw it in for the coup de grace.....

 

 

 

[Guest eastmids]

fascinating stuff A.P

[skycat 6,173]

One of the reasons I first wanted an Airedale is those Dales in the pics you've put up: first saw them on the Coyote Gods site. Now that my Airedale is 2 years old certain things got me wondering. Obviously an Airedale is more than a match for a fox in the UK, so do these tolling dogs never actually just kill the coyote without a shot having to be fired? Or is it down to speed: coyote just too fast for the Airedales? (was the tussle in the slide show on a wounded coyote?)

 

They are obviously totally different to foxes: imagine being able to pull foxes in with dogs over here! There'd be no foxes left at all by now!

[Attack Fell Terrier 864]

Interesting, best of luck with it

[rob.i 26]

Good read

[bedrock 16]

Thanks for taking the time to post this Aaron. Interesting stuff

[Aaron Proffitt 142]

Obviously an Airedale is more than a match for a fox in the UK, so do these tolling dogs never actually just kill the coyote without a shot having to be fired? Or is it down to speed: coyote just too fast for the Airedales? (was the tussle in the slide show on a wounded coyote?)

 

They are obviously totally different to foxes: imagine being able to pull foxes in with dogs over here! There'd be no foxes left at all by now!

 

 

Skycat,

 

Any Airedale used in the field should have the ability to take a coyote by themself without the gun .....but it's not a frequent event. And yeah, it's due to speed ; coyotes are just to speedy . The one here (John Henry's dog , as you well know) is taking a coyote after it was hit . You can actually tell at what point it's hit if you watch closely.

 

It's kind of like a typist in the Army.....their primary job is to type, but they better know how to use a rifle. Similarly , an Airedale's job when used in conjunction with a caller is to be a living,animated ,territorial decoy ....but it may get caught up in a fight and better know how to handle the business.

 

Incidentally, I am glad you are familiar with 'Gods' . Than you will be familiar with the working lines of my pups. Do you remember 'Andy S' , who took JH's big Airedale 'Tagger' off his hands ? Well, the pups I have now are 'Taggers' grandsons.

[Dux 5]

Obviously an Airedale is more than a match for a fox in the UK, so do these tolling dogs never actually just kill the coyote without a shot having to be fired? Or is it down to speed: coyote just too fast for the Airedales? (was the tussle in the slide show on a wounded coyote?)

 

Some of the larger dogs will kill the yote. As for speed, I think most people around here rely more on stamina. I've known several people that let out packs of dogs in the evening so they can go out and kill yotes. Airdales, Belgian Malnois, etc. IMHO, it's irresponsible not to accompany the dogs. Besides, the fun is in working with them as a team!

 

WTG Aaron, you nailed all the relevant points perfectly!

Edited April 19, 2010 by Dux

[antsa 40]

nice post, good to read other styles of hunting

[goldfinch2007 2,332]

good post aaron,but how the hell do you shoot a coyote with the terriers so close.not having a go,just asking.id be frightened of hitting the terriers

[Aaron Proffitt 142]

good post aaron,but how the hell do you shoot a coyote with the terriers so close.not having a go,just asking.id be frightened of hitting the terriers

 

 

 

They aren't nearly as close as you think, finchy .

 

In the top frame , see where the coyote is standing by himself ? He's watching the dog . Next frame you see the coyote out of view, but Mickle's on him.....

 

 

You certainly want plenty of room for sake of the safety of the dog.

[Aaron Proffitt 142]

http://www.tripleoddbuck.com/video/doggincoyotes.wmv

 

Another great example of how dogs are used in calling....not terriers , but we'll have to let that slide.

 

Just picture in your mind a patt,jagd, JRT, or Dale.

[chrissy32 13]

Not wanting to de-rail SGS's thread further, I thought I would expand a bit on one way terriers are used alot here in the US ....as 'tollers' or decoy dogs during predator calling.

 

A couple of factors arise when calling predators here. One is a disinterested coyote....he may come in for a time and then simply have seat; at 400 yards out. A toller helps finish the job by drawing the coyote in by challenging it's territorial instinct.

 

Secondly,as an indicator for coyotes that cruise in but remain unseen. What looks like very open country completely changes when one takes a seat in buffalo grass. At that point, visibility drops drastically. A dog,however, senses an approaching coyote and goes on alert and begins to engage it. And the shooters can take it from there.

 

Lastly, recovery. I don't care how good of a shot you are ; at some point you will wing a predator. And predators the world over have fur that absorbs blood like a sponge making tracking very difficult. Too add, because I harvest fur I use the smallest caliber that will kill a coyote quickly without leaving gaping wounds.As long as I do my part at least....and being human, sometimes I'm not the dead-eye savant. Even then, a coyote might only dash 50 yards before piling up. Without a dog that coyote might be otherwise lost....with a dog, that's another fur going off to market.

 

Here are some examples posted by a friend of mine on another site illustrating how terriers actively engage a coyote completely divert it's attention away from the shooter and draw it in for the coup de grace.....

 

 

 

good post bud atb chris

[stormyboy 1,352]

Cracking post.

[goldfinch2007 2,332]

fairplay aaron.i thought you was buffalo bill for a minute.good post