any one have a collie cross

[adamb20 22]

had acolie lurcher years ago who started rating her rabits next to cover no god ,but the collie type i have b now get stuck in if a rabbit hits afence hedge they try and pull him out

 

yeah mine will hit cover if the rabbits there i mean the likes of bull crosses where if they chase a rabbit through the same fence 9 times they will try just as hard the tenth time when theres obviously no hope. i am a great believer that collie crosses can estimate thier own capabilities and judge weather a run is feasible or not, where other more simple minded crosses only think 'kill'.

[snap 15]

had acolie lurcher years ago who started rating her rabits next to cover no god ,but the collie type i have b now get stuck in if a rabbit hits afence hedge they try and pull him out

 

yeah mine will hit cover if the rabbits there i mean the likes of bull crosses where if they chase a rabbit through the same fence 9 times they will try just as hard the tenth time when theres obviously no hope. i am a great believer that collie crosses can estimate thier own capabilities and judge weather a run is feasible or not, where other more simple minded crosses only think 'kill'.

they think they can estimate but they dont allow for the quarry making a mistake when the pressures on.

some people call this clever but i wouldnt

[bird 9,925]

had acolie lurcher years ago who started rating her rabits next to cover no god ,but the collie type i have b now get stuck in if a rabbit hits afence hedge they try and pull him out

 

yeah mine will hit cover if the rabbits there i mean the likes of bull crosses where if they chase a rabbit through the same fence 9 times they will try just as hard the tenth time when theres obviously no hope. i am a great believer that collie crosses can estimate thier own capabilities and judge weather a run is feasible or not, where other more simple minded crosses only think 'kill'.

fair point, if you really want a out and out lamping dog,then a lurcher to lurcher bred dog, Colliexs are good lamp dogs,Bryn my 1x colliexgrey as done brill on rabbits last season.But alot colliexs as they get bit older can+do think a bit to much about what they think is easy or not. As been said it not just colliexs, but alot do. He is still very keen, and will bust a gut to catch a rabbit, but he knows when he is fecked

[fordie 8]

My 3/4 Whippet 1/4 Collie bitch hit the cover to get the rabbits out into the open I can live with it and that what I want when im out in the day doing cover work but on the lamp she comes off when the rabbit hits the cover wanting the nexts one

[mighty celt 996]

had acolie lurcher years ago who started rating her rabits next to cover no god ,but the collie type i have b now get stuck in if a rabbit hits afence hedge they try and pull him out

 

yeah mine will hit cover if the rabbits there i mean the likes of bull crosses where if they chase a rabbit through the same fence 9 times they will try just as hard the tenth time when theres obviously no hope. i am a great believer that collie crosses can estimate thier own capabilities and judge weather a run is feasible or not, where other more simple minded crosses only think 'kill'.

whos the boss mate u r your dog its as simple as this if u slip your dog on a rabbit and your dog dont move its a jacker simple as whats the point in keeping a dog that only goes for easy rabbits.most collie crosses 2 much brain not enough heart.but there is some good ones out there 2.

[jamiew 11]

In the daytime my border collie greyhound 50/50 slows down way before the hedge when chasing head on, this can be annoying thinking that she gave up way too soon, but i'd sooner her use her experience and save injurying herself for the sake of catching a rabbit. On the other hand she is no coward and has made some incredible strikes in places where i never thought she would have stood a chance, eg in woodlands. I was talking to a chap a country fair asking him the difference between his collie lurcher and kelpie lurcher, in his opinion his collie was more sensible, in that his kelpie lurcher would push that extra bit to get the rabbit, which would pay off sometimes, but he would also have more visits to the vets. I'm happy with my collie greyhound pulling up, although she's perhaps too clever for the likes of some.

my dogs means more to me than a rabbit,good reply and good thread,jamiew

Edited April 16, 2010 by jamiew

[adamb20 22]

had acolie lurcher years ago who started rating her rabits next to cover no god ,but the collie type i have b now get stuck in if a rabbit hits afence hedge they try and pull him out

 

yeah mine will hit cover if the rabbits there i mean the likes of bull crosses where if they chase a rabbit through the same fence 9 times they will try just as hard the tenth time when theres obviously no hope. i am a great believer that collie crosses can estimate thier own capabilities and judge weather a run is feasible or not, where other more simple minded crosses only think 'kill'.

whos the boss mate u r your dog its as simple as this if u slip your dog on a rabbit and your dog dont move its a jacker simple as whats the point in keeping a dog that only goes for easy rabbits.most collie crosses 2 much brain not enough heart.but there is some good ones out there 2.

 

wtf you on about my dogs certainly no jacker. a jacker is when the dog has no interest in chasing or cant be arsed. my dog will run hares in open fields until she is too stiff to move if i let her. like some one said i would rather she pull up before a fence and not risk injury rather than clatter her self all over for the sake of a rabbit. each to there own i suppose but i know what a prefer. she 21 month now and ive had hundereds of rabbits and 30 or 40 hares last season and barely even a scratch, my mates dog who dives into everything full pelt was laid up most of the season and is laid up now with a very nasty leg injury. fair enough he might get the odd hedge rabbit but has missed weeks and weeks of the season where ive been out every night getting a consistent 10 or so on average. think about it.

[poacher3161 1,766]

Reckless dogs usualy have a short working carreer adam you are lucky to have the type of dog you have my first lurchers were similar bred and never sufferd seriouse injury but put plenty of game in the bag These that favour a reckless type dog imho dont rely on a dog that fills the pot and makes you a few bob.

[mush 204]

whos the boss mate u r your dog its as simple as this if u slip your dog on a rabbit and your dog dont move its a jacker simple as whats the point in keeping a dog that only goes for easy rabbits.most collie crosses 2 much brain not enough heart.but there is some good ones out there 2.

Running a rabbit that you have slipped your dog on don't mean its Reckless, or that it will run Recklessly. Collie crosses for lamping need something else in them most of the time before they will run the lamp on what you slip them on and not what they want to run.

[snap 15]

Reckless dogs usualy have a short working carreer adam you are lucky to have the type of dog you have my first lurchers were similar bred and never sufferd seriouse injury but put plenty of game in the bag These that favour a reckless type dog imho dont rely on a dog that fills the pot and makes you a few bob.

how did we get from dogs that refuse to run rabbits that are close to hedge rows etc to dogs that are reckless?

you can still get tryers that dont get knocked up all the time and arnt reckless.

everyone one to their own but give me the good honest tryer anyday.

i wouldnt want a dog that admitts defeat before its started just like i wouldnt want a dog that amdits defeat when its chasing behind somthing.

i had a lurcher x lurcher that started choosing its runs but he was 9 year old when he started which is fair enough.

i hate to see young fit dogs doing it that should still be chasing swifts

[adamb20 22]

whos the boss mate u r your dog its as simple as this if u slip your dog on a rabbit and your dog dont move its a jacker simple as whats the point in keeping a dog that only goes for easy rabbits.most collie crosses 2 much brain not enough heart.but there is some good ones out there 2.

Running a rabbit that you have slipped your dog on don't mean its Reckless, or that it will run Recklessly. Collie crosses for lamping need something else in them most of the time before they will run the lamp on what you slip them on and not what they want to run.

 

yeah my dog is quater beddy as well as quater collie

[poacher3161 1,766]

Reckless dogs usualy have a short working carreer adam you are lucky to have the type of dog you have my first lurchers were similar bred and never sufferd seriouse injury but put plenty of game in the bag These that favour a reckless type dog imho dont rely on a dog that fills the pot and makes you a few bob.

how did we get from dogs that refuse to run rabbits that are close to hedge rows etc to dogs that are reckless?

you can still get tryers that dont get knocked up all the time and arnt reckless.

everyone one to their own but give me the good honest tryer anyday.

i wouldnt want a dog that admitts defeat before its started just like i wouldnt want a dog that amdits defeat when its chasing behind somthing.

i had a lurcher x lurcher that started choosing its runs but he was 9 year old when he started which is fair enough.

i hate to see young fit dogs doing it that should still be chasing swifts

It boils down to each individual dog at the end of the day and how much work their getting.I would not tolerate a dog that refused to run at any rabbit that was in its catching zone theirs tryers though and out and out reckless type dogs and theirs a mile of difference between the two.

[snap 15]

Reckless dogs usualy have a short working carreer adam you are lucky to have the type of dog you have my first lurchers were similar bred and never sufferd seriouse injury but put plenty of game in the bag These that favour a reckless type dog imho dont rely on a dog that fills the pot and makes you a few bob.

how did we get from dogs that refuse to run rabbits that are close to hedge rows etc to dogs that are reckless?

you can still get tryers that dont get knocked up all the time and arnt reckless.

everyone one to their own but give me the good honest tryer anyday.

i wouldnt want a dog that admitts defeat before its started just like i wouldnt want a dog that amdits defeat when its chasing behind somthing.

i had a lurcher x lurcher that started choosing its runs but he was 9 year old when he started which is fair enough.

i hate to see young fit dogs doing it that should still be chasing swifts

It boils down to each individual dog at the end of the day and how much work their getting.I would not tolerate a dog that refused to run at any rabbit that was in its catching zone theirs tryers though and out and out reckless type dogs and theirs a mile of difference between the two.

a lot of the reckless dogs do settle in time giving enough work and they last the cause but the ones that dont try usually get worse.jmho

[Trigger 26]

i have seen other crosses picking and chooseing there rabbits, ive noticed alot depends on how much work you are giving the dog as some heavily worked dogs in other crosses will start to pick there runs.

Edited April 16, 2010 by Trigger

[steveS.Yorks 161]

Its f****n "Wreckless" not reckless,doin my head in,interesting thread though.