The "Lurcher"

[bird 9,864]

Well i think lurchers hunting for the pot, colliexs. But if you really wanted just one type of quarry (hare ,fox) salukixs and bullxs.Colliexs can+will do all quarry, but not as good as dogs bred for that discipline.

Bryn colliex pot filler

 

[riohog 5,701]

my understanding is / in days of old .....only the gentry were aloud the ,greyhound ...

 

the poor man being resorsfull managed by one way or another to get a grey to mate with his ..herding dogs ..collie types ..and therefore he didnt own a pure greyhound so no laws brocken ,but saw the pottencial of these dogs for catching game ..ie ...the greyhounds speed /collie brain .... smithfield type

 

a lurcher assencially ,is a pot filler !!!!!

 

Riohog, we have had diferences of oppinon before, but obviously we agree about Lurchers ! The Saluki, Whippet,Deerhound, etc. have ALL got a place in the "Lurcher" !

 

Cheers.

yes without doubt they all have a place ..possibly each type is /was bred for specific game ,rather than the general moocher ,pot filler...depends what the conditions /game available ...same today still development in lurcher breeding ,with guys trying different x,s think today it is a case of what you want ..rather than what you need!!!!!

[cocker 2,654]

to me a lurcher should be a cross between a whippet or a greyhound and any other usefull type of dog, be it terrier pastoral or another sighthound, in creating or aquiring your lurcher, some thought should go into the "type" you require, this would depend on several factors, ie the type of land you will mostly hunt on, the type of quarry that you will want to take, and the characteristics of certain breeds, should be taken into consideration, depending if the dog is used on permission land, or not,

to me a traditional lurcher should be a clever little dog or bitch of around 24 inches, but not something that stands out too much and attracts attention, a dog that i can take out whenever i feel like it, and catch a rabbit or a pheasant or maybe some other game, just enough to give me a bit of diversity, with my daily food, and maybe catch me a little bit extra to sell or swap for other things i might need,

it would have to be a dog that wants to work for me, a dog that is worth its keep and more, a dog that is loyal and can be trusted not to cause me more problems than its worth, a dog that can look after its self when the going gets tough, a dog that can live outside and is hardy, a good do,er,

 

cocker

[sh 08 17]

I think a lurcher is a breed of dog that is expected to hunt, lamp, ferret and do what ever you ask it to do. weather it be beddy x, malimute x or a collie cross as long as you are happy with how the dog performs thats a lurcher in my eyes. colour or coat doesnt realy come into it. As long as it can catch and deal with it's quarry

[whin 463]

a good lurcher to me isnt a cross its the way it works and catches whats asked of it any less then its not a lurcher its a one dimesional type of dog pre ban catch a hare roe rabbit and odd fox a nite at the phesants , catch a few bolted rabbits , a good lurcher doesnt rip his qaurry or arse end it ,now thats the lurcher i have had and well thats the stamp you go for ,something thta you can take out most places and catch whats on ofer daylite or nite time

[chartpolski 23,146]

Bird, you don't need to put that dog up as a good dog on this thread... I was asking a hypothetical question !! I know for a fact that your dog has done the business !

Cheers.

[artic 595]

Bird, you don't need to put that dog up as a good dog on this thread... I was asking a hypothetical question !! I know for a fact that your dog has done the business !

Cheers.

 

Well theres your answer. A dog that does the business.

 

Everyone dog owner has their dog for loads of different reasons, however what they do with their dogs, and how they have trained their dogs to what ever standard is their business. Pot fillers (be it fur and feather), pest controllers, match dogs, show dogs, everyone has a Standard.

[BLUCHER 1]

At the end of the day what is a lurcher, essentially a mongrel albeit a highly specialised one bred for a specific purpose, got to agree with whin on this one handsome is as handsome does. A lot of the so called lurchers these days couldnt catch a rabbit in a phone box.

[cúagusgiorraí 57]

The definition for lurcher and longdog which is generally accepted nowadays, is a MODERN definition according to certain authors, and not necessarily the original meanings of these words.

 

The lurcher was just a mongrel farm-dog greyhound used for hunting and poaching rabbits and hares. It was not a cross breed. It wasn't till the the last century when people began hybriding greyhounds to make new "lurchers".

 

Longdog was just a term to describe any type of Greyhound. It's a word that we would now use for sight-hound. It was not a cross breed. It was fieldsport authors who used the word longdog to describe a sight-hound to sight-hound hybrid.

 

Remember people in the past didn't have access to purebreeds. They just used whatever dogs they had access to. It was the nobility and upper class who had access to purebred dogs.

 

This whole idea of all dog types being classified into breeds, is modern.

 

200 years ago, here in Ireland and UK, you just had the hound, the terrier, the cur, the greyhound.... that's it.

 

To me a lurcher is any mongrel greyhound type dog.

 

Edited April 15, 2010 by cúagusgiorraí

[artic 595]

Bird, you don't need to put that dog up as a good dog on this thread... I was asking a hypothetical question !! I know for a fact that your dog has done the business !

Cheers.

 

Well theres your answer. A dog that does the business.

 

Everyone dog owner has their dog for loads of different reasons, however what they do with their dogs, and how they have trained their dogs to what ever standard is their business. Pot fillers (be it fur and feather), pest controllers, match dogs, show dogs, everyone has a Standard.

so a greyhound x that turns out no good is not a lurcher

 

No i didnt say that. Let me explain, it doesnt matter what a lurcher is THESE days, so many X's, so many different lines used, some good lines used just to show! Mongrels, types, it doesn't matter, what does is "standards"

Edited April 15, 2010 by artic

[whin 463]

i disagree with you its any dog that can fill the pot with game and be a service to you , not any dogs a lurcher as some never make it to there second birthday as they dont full fill the needs of a good dog ,to me if a dog cant feed you with good meat and be an asset why keep him, nevver looked at a dog just as a pet has to have ajob of some descriptiion , ie a lurcher was and is now in my eyes to provide good clean game , and a bit more at times , there not such a breed as a lurcher , but they have to be functional to do the bizness , a shooter wouldnt keep adog that didnt flush or fetch ,a serous greyhoundtrainer, that couldnt win a race p t sleep , so a lurcher must earn his keep in some way or we end up with just mongrels that you can get in any cat and dog home collie lab etcand end up like show dogs useless some of them

[vanquo 2]

For me a lurcher's simply a dog of mixed breeding with enough sighthound in its line to give it a svelte appearance. I do differentiate between a lurcher and a longdog though as I feel they can be quite different in looks and demeanour at times.

[poacher3161 1,766]

The lurcher imho is just a purpose bred mongrel and to be honest had never heard of lurchers bred out of two sighthounds being refferd to as longdogs before walshes book came out.The genral public who dont have much knowledge about these purpose bred mongrels always asociate the rough haired type hybreds as lurchers and the smooth ones as greyhounds.

[chartpolski 23,146]

Glad I've got you lads talking about "Lurchers & Longdogs" , I've got both in my kennel, don't listen to the lunatics, they talk the talk..... but do they walk the walk ????

 

Cheers.

[whin 463]

vanqou were did that come from , got me lost , if your dog cant work or provide a meal or a service pestcontrol , etc what the piont in calling it alurcher , any mongrel will do , Chalkie no matter what you did you wouldnt keep adog for an ornament not a runing cur unles your to old to hunt and well youve done your bit ,,a good dog should do what hees bred to do bud