The 100 yard humane kill experiment (Mith Bust)

[zini 1,939]

Hi guys,

 

I decided to go out today with the .22 calibre Pro Sport to try and “Myth Bust” the so called 100 yard humane shot on a rabbit .

 

After watching various clips on YouTube I was interested to see what sort of groups I would be able to get at this range plus pellet penetration.

 

To complete this experiment I used a plastic dummy target, can of Red Bull and a card target to see what type of group i would get

 

No live quarry was used .

 

After doing the experiment and seeing the results myself first hand I am pretty sure in my mind that a kill on a rabbit could be achieved at 100 yards with a 12 FP rifle but only maybe once in every 5 – 10 shots taken .

 

The other shots will either miss the quarry completely or be a WOUNDING SHOT causing distress and a slow death

 

All this said it is not the sort of percent, 1 in 5 to 10 shots being taken being a humane shot we look for as responsible air rifle hunters in regards to ensuring that the animals we shoot get a quick and humane death with no suffering .

 

I would not personally ever try to make this kind of shot with only 12 FP of power on any live animal as there is far too many considerations to take into consideration before taking the shot.

 

These considerations are the same as for shooting at closer ranges but much more amplified due to the extreme range at 100 yards. These are wind direction and wind speed and point of aim on your scope reticule and the magnification of your scope.

 

Remember that the higher the magnification on your scope the less range you will get on your reticule in regards to mil dots, so a low mag is needed, hence me using my lowest setting of x6 which isnt very good at all .

 

As far as I am concerned this MYTH has been proper BUSTED and I am sure that the lads that claim a good success rate at 100 yards on live quarry with a 12 FP air rifle are only trying to kidd themselves and are only really getting 1 rabbit in every 5 to 10 on camera humanely shot, the other 4 or 9 are not shown due to being inhumane

 

On a better and more positive note for me, I was very pleased with how the Pro Sport performed at 100 yards and the group I managed to shoot in a slight breeze.

 

This group size I only really appreciated after I walked down to the target and peeled it off the front of the card as 2 of the shots were low and at the bottom of the card and hidden by the grass and low mag camera not being clear, but can be seen on the video if you look at the bottom of the card closely and see the grass and leaves move and 1 shot wasnt seen on camera at all due to the stiff card behind the target and camera low zoom and it being on the vertical black line of the target until i peeled it off the card making the hole twice its original size.

 

[b]SORRY LADS I HAVE REMOVED THE VIDEO CLIP AFTER RECEIVING COMPLAINS VIA PM ON YOUTUBE

 

THESE COMPLAINTS COME FROM PEOPLE WHO INSIST THAT THEY GET REGULAR 100 YARD 12 FP AIR RIFLE KILLS ON RABBITS.

 

I AND ALSO IM A KNOB APPARENTLY LOL.[/b]

Si

Edited April 15, 2010 by zini

[venomviper 129]

hi ya buddy

i didnt think it would take you long before proving to be a mith buster matey si buddy great vid buddy and your shooting is on form as always buddy putting me to shame now buddy lol but great write up and vid as well matey i should be getting my falcon fn19 177 on thursday so a write up and pictures should be up then to buddy have you got the hw97kt yet ? and si buddy if i had the money matey i would have had the scope off ya buddy but i have to buy a pump for this gun

 

all the best buddy hope everything is going ok matey

 

shay

[zini 1,939]

Hi Shay,

 

No problems about the scope pal, i have sold the Tasco now anyway pal and just have the MAP Pro to sell.

 

COME ON GUYS GET YOUR HANDS IN YOUR POCKETS

 

No i havent got the HW97KT yet Shay as i want to get it from the gun shop direct when i am over in the UK.

 

I havent ordered it yet either as i am still a few pennies short and i am counting on selling the MAP Pro as well.

 

I am going to get the rifle from Tony at SFS after he as worked his magic on it and tuned it for me.

 

I look forward to your write up on the alcon FN19 in .177 mate. I cant believe that you have turned to the LIGHT SIDE again on me LOL.

 

I cant blame you though pal, its nice to have the best of both worlds and have springers and PCP's.

 

Si

[venomviper 129]

Hi Shay,

 

No problems about the scope pal, i have sold the Tasco now anyway pal and just have the MAP Pro to sell.

 

COME ON GUYS GET YOUR HANDS IN YOUR POCKETS

 

No i havent got the HW97KT yet Shay as i want to get it from the gun shop direct when i am over in the UK.

 

I havent ordered it yet either as i am still a few pennies short and i am counting on selling the MAP Pro as well.

 

I am going to get the rifle from Tony at SFS after he as worked his magic on it and tuned it for me.

 

I look forward to your write up on the alcon FN19 in .177 mate. I cant believe that you have turned to the LIGHT SIDE again on me LOL.

 

I cant blame you though pal, its nice to have the best of both worlds and have springers and PCP's.

 

Si

si buddy

and i still have a couple of springers so to far into the darkside buddy lol and yeah after all the read ups on the fn19 they seem really good and light so idea for me to use when out doing my pest control plus looking at the s200 as well that will be a nice little hubter as well but yeah matey once i am up and running to were i am comfy i will look into getting a hw97kt from tony as well as i do like them matey and yeah plenty of pictures of the gun when she comes buddy and at work to and i look forward to seing the pictures of your new gun to and the map pro will go soon it's getting nice outside so people are shooting more and wanting better scopes and as we all know si that you buy the best mate so it will soon be taken off your hands matey. the fn19 has a scope and 1000 jsb plus a hw silencer on her so i think she will look ok matey and she is crono'd at 11.4 at the minute so with a little tune and test i will have her running at 11.8 but the 70 shot will go down a few but i hope no less than 50 per fill and need to get me a pump sorted a lad on here is going to get back to me about one so thats all good to but the gun is in mint condition as well so i might dress her in a skeleton stock soon i think as they look nice just got to work out which one to get her lol but full write up and pictures will follow good and bad points but i am sure i will find them lol so when you home again then buddy ?

 

shay

[zini 1,939]

Hi Shay,

 

I come over to the UK tomorrow mate, but only for a military exercise for 3 weeks nothing more, so will be off the forum for a while

 

I will be down in Larkhill Salisbury playing war and soldiers again LOL.

 

Cant wait "NOT".

 

Its going to kill me seeing all those bunnies on Salisbury Plain just running around having fun and munching grass when i havent got my air rifle with me

 

Just chrono-ing the Falcon and finding a better heavier pellet that suits your barrel will boost your power up mate to around 11.8 FP.

 

Id think of trying the AA Fields, FX 16 grains or Bisley Magnums in her pal to see how they run.

 

Si

[venomviper 129]

hi ya si mate

ouch ouch ouch matey you will be pulling your hair out by the second day watching all them fluffy bunnies bouncing around giggling at you matey lol and you know you love play war matey rolling around in the wet mud all for nothing lol sorry matey i have one on me today hahaha but yeah i have most pellets here so i will give them a try plus i got a good result out of the fx 8.44 in 177 in my tx200hc as well as the bisley magums so i will go through them to see what i am getting i cant wait to get it now as it is only tommorrow that she comes feel like a kids waiting for xmas to come lol but will let you know how she gets on under test matey. and wont you be able to leave base ? for an hour or 2 ? as i am sure someone over that end on here will meet up for a shoot buddy ? just to take the edge off for ya

 

shay

[zini 1,939]

Yes i should be able to leave camp mate but i will have no vehicle with me for the duration to run me around and get me places.

 

My rifles (my girls) are also 3.5 hours away in Mansfield at my mums house mate.

 

Si

[venomviper 129]

hi ya si

what a hey matey well when you back on leave then ? was it june or july ? then we can meet up for a well erned shoot matey and we will make a good weekend of it buddy i'm sure there are a few on here that will come along as well gary and darryl for sure buddy

 

shay

[Sweeney-Todd 208]

Hiya Zini.

 

Another great video, well made and interesting.

 

Most sub 12ftlb hunters know that there are far too many variables to attempt a humane kill at 100yds , be it spring or pre charged rifles that they use, and hopfully most would not even consider it.

 

As you rightly say, a Marksman would have problems achieving a 1 inch group on a regular basiss, especialy in FIELD conditions, and using the average kit we shoot with.

 

Even on an indoor range, with tuned competition grade kit, it would take some doing to repeat it with effect.

 

In the field, add weather conditions, temprature, humidity etc and the odds drop a little more, then there's the human element too.

 

There is just far too much against the practicalities, or indeed the ethics of taking a shot at that distance on live quarry.

 

I dont think I would personaly take a shot on a Rabbit past the 50 yd mark, and then it would have to present a good target in near perfect conditions, I consider 50yd as my absolute limit.

 

Better to apply practiced field craft, and get to know your ground, and the habbits of the quarry, than try to extend your hunting range.

 

 

 

 

ATB.

 

 

 

 

 

Bill.

[zini 1,939]

Thats some good points there Bill buddy

 

I agree with you 100% pal.

 

Most lads that come on this site and section less for the newer members and new to air rifle hunting would know most of this, but i just wanted to put the Myth to bed once and for all in field conditions for myself.

 

It was done more out of interest really plus i was really bored sat at home while on leave.

 

Regarding 50 yards, that is a great shot to make with a air rifle buddy

 

Si

[zini 1,939]

Hi Shay,

 

Im over again for 4 weeks at the start of July while on a course in the UK, but i have the weekends free to shoot if i get a invite buddy

 

I also am coming over with my Russian and best mate Sergej in August for a week shooting and digging with the terriers.

 

He is a NOOB to hunting with a air rifle and as only done it once before with me and loved it.

 

He also shot me by mistake in the top of my arm and the pellet is still at the base of my neck It was more a richochet that a direct shot though and was more my fault for trying to stand too close to the target and be clever

 

I took him to a dray and we got 12 squizzers out of it in about 30 minutes by sticking a large metal pole into the dray and upsetting the squizzers inside

 

I just need to try and get some areas to shoot with him when im over, but i will be with my cousin and his terriers so there is always that area worst case.Si

[Sweeney-Todd 208]

Thats some good points there Bill buddy

 

I agree with you 100% pal.

 

Most lads that come on this site and section less for the newer members and new to air rifle hunting would know most of this, but i just wanted to put the Myth to bed once and for all in field conditions for myself.

 

It was done more out of interest really plus i was really bored sat at home while on leave.

 

Regarding 50 yards, that is a great shot to make with a air rifle buddy

 

Si

 

 

Hiya Si.

 

Just read my post again.....and it doe's sound like im preaching to the masses it was not intended that way everyone , I got carried away

 

What I was trying to do was reinforce your finding's in the field Si ( Not that I need too )

It was a good example, and came accross well.....you have put the MIFF to bed mate

 

I did forget to say, excellent shooting with the Pro Sport Si, 3" group in field conditions very impressive Marksmanship ( I hate you )

 

 

 

 

ATB.

 

 

 

 

 

Bill.

[zini 1,939]

Cheers Bill

 

Your a star

 

Si

[Lee85 44]

You should of been a sniper mate

[zini 1,939]

Here is a diagram using my Pro Sport ballistic profile of where i was aiming on the reticule both with the wind coming right to left and left to right.

 

The wind was around 5 metres per second so not that strong but strong enough to make a difference to my POI at 100 yards.

 

As they say a picture paints a 1000 words

 

Si

Edited April 14, 2010 by zini